GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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- ILLEAGLE_34
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I know some people are upset or think it's all immature. And I wouldn't necessarily have done it myself.
BUT:
I have watched him trash your name for over 2 years with no real reason. I've watched him push and barge you and @sturk0167 off track with ill advised passes for at least that long as well, with no dirty or foul response in all that time. If racing him clean doesn't change his mind, it isn't going to change. And for anyone questioning, Kie was the streamer who tried to send it 3 wide into degner 1 the day before. It ended up only 2 wide as @sturk0167 had backed out because it was stupid. When it didn't work Kie's recklessness ended up running innocent and responsible driving sturk off track. Kie's statement was "why aren't they leaving me room?" As ignorant of racecraft as any of the punters who ruins many of our races. No retaliation was taken despite the chance at the time. Knowing this has been going on constantly for well on 2 or 3 years of Kie's US account now, how much of this behavior do you accept before you finally decide to respond?
He's found your limit and is complaining that the consequences of his REPEATED bad behavior have come back at him.
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- Hasnain282
It's like Mater said to Mr. Sterling at the end of Cars 3 :
"You're not a nice person! You're not a nice person!"
"...but you do make a quality mudflap at an affordable price."
He's a good driver, and he's fast.
On the occasions that he played clean and made a good pass at the appropiate place, I always let him by.
But I have friends (and frienemies) in pretty much every single race, and it gets old seeing them get abused simply because someone watching YouTube will drop 1 quid per victory. Although, I guess on the other hand, there's money to be made, so...
I've raced Tidge and Rory and a couple other social media players numerous times when they visit Daily A with their NA accounts and never had a problem. Tidge is a master passer, usually better than me... and I'm pretty good. I consider myself a defensive master, and you know what? He can recognize that. Many incredible battles have been had. I find it quite satisfying to be bested by those who do it in the true spirit of a sportsman.
I'm not an easy driver to take out, and there are the types who get more and more pissed when they can't knock me off. It doesn't make sense to them. Hence we have this example of a perceived rivalry of degeneracy, and chaos as the result. The "OUTTA MY WAY!" attitude is a very powerful thing and most often used the wrong way.
But there is also a correct and proper and more powerful way to use it... because it benefits everybody.
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- Winnie847
Grip is definitely different in qualy not only because there is zero tire wear, but bevause there is zero fuel weight on the car.
He’s just bothered that the grip model is different, causing him to make mistakes when the race starts. Pretty common issue.
Nope. Grip is different in qualy because no tire wear and no weight. It’s an entirely different feel, hence the different lap times.
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- sturk0167
Time for some Truths and Lies
Forget just about all of Kie's commentary in that video he made just to bash the ugly Americans. Almost none of it is true.
Here, I'll tell you the other side of the story.
I'll set up the clip, which shows things from my perspective.
He didn't get a great start, and I gave him a tiny nudge to get him up to speed. For the next few turns, he brake-checks me, like an idiot. You can see my brake lights coming on too, trying to avoid contact. He says I was trying to ram him, and push to pass. I guarantee he was trying to give me a penalty. After the first couple of contacts, he looks in his mirror, and expresses bewilderment that I haven't gotten a penalty yet.
By the time we got to the 5th turn, I was tired of it, and yeah I moved him out of the way on purpose. He was pretty much just backing into the front of my car.
When I caught back up to him again, on lap 2 he was doing it again. How else would a B driver using a controller, auto transmission, and copious amounts of beer be able to wear out the back bumper of an international superstar? He then said I was trying to wreck him at the Dunlop curve. That's another lie. Clearly, he came down in front of me, trying to block while lifting off the throttle, and nearly wrecked himself.
Next, at the hairpin, he said he went wide to avoid a divebomb from me. Another lie. He screwed up on the braking, and was trying to avoid the car ahead.
There's more to the story.
This is what happened between us yesterday. I outbraked him, and took his spot cleanly, at the first turn.
I guess he didn't like that, because he knocked me off the track a few turns later.
I didn't retaliate. Mr Innocent expressed zero regret, and accepted no fault.
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- Ulricehamn
We do. But I can sympathize with both @sturk0167 and @BenRod in this case.
Kie often just barge through and push everyone out of the way then complain about how badly everyone else is driving.
I can understand the negative feelings for him. Even more as he is making entertainment and money out of treating the other drivers bad.
But I agree. That race would fit better in wreckfest (after seeing Sturks video I would say Kie is the one who should be in wreckfest)
Edit2: the badmouthing of BenRod for no reason is actually quite disconcerting.
So is the racing from the back in off hours to complain about the region he is racing in. His stream is so much more telling than his edited video, getting worked up and calling names, complaining about driver standards etc
Meanwhile he has a crew of people watching him, telling him it's not his fault and it's everyone else driving dirty.
Not a good environment for anyone
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- El_Beardo_Grande
Time for some Truths and Lies
Forget just about all of Kie's commentary in that video he made just to bash the ugly Americans. Almost none of it is true.
Here, I'll tell you the other side of the story.
I'll set up the clip, which shows things from my perspective.
He didn't get a great start, and I gave him a tiny nudge to get him up to speed. For the next few turns, he brake-checks me, like an idiot. You can see my brake lights coming on too, trying to avoid contact. He says I was trying to ram him, and push to pass. I guarantee he was trying to give me a penalty. After the first couple of contacts, he looks in his mirror, and expresses bewilderment that I haven't gotten a penalty yet.
By the time we got to the 5th turn, I was tired of it, and yeah I moved him out of the way on purpose. He was pretty much just backing into the front of my car.
When I caught back up to him again, on lap 2 he was doing it again. How else would a B driver using a controller, auto transmission, and copious amounts of beer be able to wear out the back bumper of an international superstar? He then said I was trying to wreck him at the Dunlop curve. That's another lie. Clearly, he came down in front of me, trying to block while lifting off the throttle, and nearly wrecked himself.
Next, at the hairpin, he said he went wide to avoid a divebomb from me. Another lie. He screwed up on the braking, and was trying to avoid the car ahead.
There's more to the story.
This is what happened between us yesterday. I outbraked him, and took his spot cleanly, at the first turn.
I guess he didn't like that, because he knocked me off the track a few turns later.
I didn't retaliate. Mr Innocent expressed zero regret, and accepted no fault.
Yet again, for the millionth time, this all comes down to Kie being more than happy to dish out a bit of rough driving. While being completely incapable of receiving it.
Not helped by his army of mindless yes men who do nothing but fuel his already inflated ego.
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- TPCDangerSashimi
Unfortunately to the majority of TPC drivers like me and I'm sure others out there, clean and fair racing means not racing in public lobbies.
Personally I'm not Daily racing because I'm not ready, I'm still getting up tp speed. I need to reach a level confidence where I know I can finish clean without errors. Right now I'm always going off at least once a race.
But that's OK to me because the game has only been out 2 months and I'm a lot slower at finishing the single player stuff. So I appreciate racers who are out there everyday as they respresent a kind of consistency.
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- Winnie847
Time for some Truths and Lies
Forget just about all of Kie's commentary in that video he made just to bash the ugly Americans. Almost none of it is true.
Here, I'll tell you the other side of the story.
I'll set up the clip, which shows things from my perspective.
He didn't get a great start, and I gave him a tiny nudge to get him up to speed. For the next few turns, he brake-checks me, like an idiot. You can see my brake lights coming on too, trying to avoid contact. He says I was trying to ram him, and push to pass. I guarantee he was trying to give me a penalty. After the first couple of contacts, he looks in his mirror, and expresses bewilderment that I haven't gotten a penalty yet.
By the time we got to the 5th turn, I was tired of it, and yeah I moved him out of the way on purpose. He was pretty much just backing into the front of my car.
When I caught back up to him again, on lap 2 he was doing it again. How else would a B driver using a controller, auto transmission, and copious amounts of beer be able to wear out the back bumper of an international superstar? He then said I was trying to wreck him at the Dunlop curve. That's another lie. Clearly, he came down in front of me, trying to block while lifting off the throttle, and nearly wrecked himself.
Next, at the hairpin, he said he went wide to avoid a divebomb from me. Another lie. He screwed up on the braking, and was trying to avoid the car ahead.
There's more to the story.
This is what happened between us yesterday. I outbraked him, and took his spot cleanly, at the first turn.
I guess he didn't like that, because he knocked me off the track a few turns later.
I didn't retaliate. Mr Innocent expressed zero regret, and accepted no fault.
I was watching that second clip you posted when it aired live, and he was being ridiculous. Why wouldn’t you put your car in that huge gap he left? And I’m not sure what he was thinking heading into Degner 1 with one headlight of overlap. Way too ambitious. He was being an idiot. But watching you run into the back of him repeatedly doesn’t look any better.
It didn’t look like he was brake checking you to me in that race, it looked like he was trying not to hit the cars ahead of him. I guess the only difference is that one person in this situation is being intentionally malicious and the other doesn’t realize they are and probably wouldn’t admit it. It just sucks that now there’s this big thing about it and most people will never see your side of it.
I kinda doubt he would accept your side but I would still recommend sending him that clip you posted from your perspective in chase cam with an explanation. Again, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt here, but maybe he doesn’t realize just how big that gap at T2 was, or maybe he doesn’t realize how little overlap he actually had at Degner. If he were to accept that he was wrong about you in that race, then maybe you could accept that you were wrong for retaliating in the later race.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve seen Kie race a lot, he does silly things and doesn’t always take responsibility for them. But sometimes he does. The point here is that he THINKS he’s being clean. That alone is enough to at least not treat him like you would treat one of the many names we know who go around intentionally punting people off just for existing near them on the track. Those guys? Punt on sight if you ask me. I’m just saying, even if Kie kinda is a hot-head and over-aggressive, sometimes he can be reasoned with. It might be worth a try.
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Time for some Truths and Lies
Forget just about all of Kie's commentary in that video he made just to bash the ugly Americans. Almost none of it is true.
Here, I'll tell you the other side of the story.
I'll set up the clip, which shows things from my perspective.
He didn't get a great start, and I gave him a tiny nudge to get him up to speed. For the next few turns, he brake-checks me, like an idiot. You can see my brake lights coming on too, trying to avoid contact. He says I was trying to ram him, and push to pass. I guarantee he was trying to give me a penalty. After the first couple of contacts, he looks in his mirror, and expresses bewilderment that I haven't gotten a penalty yet.
By the time we got to the 5th turn, I was tired of it, and yeah I moved him out of the way on purpose. He was pretty much just backing into the front of my car.
When I caught back up to him again, on lap 2 he was doing it again. How else would a B driver using a controller, auto transmission, and copious amounts of beer be able to wear out the back bumper of an international superstar? He then said I was trying to wreck him at the Dunlop curve. That's another lie. Clearly, he came down in front of me, trying to block while lifting off the throttle, and nearly wrecked himself.
Next, at the hairpin, he said he went wide to avoid a divebomb from me. Another lie. He screwed up on the braking, and was trying to avoid the car ahead.
There's more to the story.
This is what happened between us yesterday. I outbraked him, and took his spot cleanly, at the first turn.
I guess he didn't like that, because he knocked me off the track a few turns later.
I didn't retaliate. Mr Innocent expressed zero regret, and accepted no fault.
I've watched his stream a couple of times (maybe 30 mins each time) and both times he came off as a prick. I won't go back to give him another try. I much prefer people like Rory, Kireth, and of course, Super GT.
I definitely noticed in his video, when it showed from your POV, that be braked way early going into T1/T2; definitely a brake check. Honestly surprised he showed it as it was plain as day to me.
The evidence is clear for those who care to review it all. If he wants to alienate Americans from his stream/channel that's his right, but it's ultimately him that's losing out on viewers.
For sure, and in the grand scheme of things it's for the better to be grouped with people who are on the same, and next higher, level. Even still, sometimes I look at the starting board and wonder, "What the h3ll am I doing here?!" haha. Two of us lowly Bs in the top 10 with an A+ just to really mess with us! I actually finished this one P3 as the guy in front of me, who I was slowly but surely catching, randomly dropped about half way thru the race.
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Anyway, after all that bellyaching I did get a P1 this morning.... among a lot of NOT P1s for what it's worth. Back in the Mustang as I've decided to ride it out with this car for the rest of this week's Daily B since I am just so used to it at this point... and it's probably the second best car for the track. I am ready for a new combo; hoping next week's have another Gr3 event.
Not a whole lot to report, finally got put with a bunch of other Bs, started on pole, and despite some early pressure from the Jag was able to build up a 1-1.5" lead and just bring it home from there.
And, for those who may be paying attention, I am recycling this same livery with just different colors a lot. Breaks up the monotony
I am thinking either:
-Maybe I am getting close to A rating so it's throwing me in with As to see how it goes...? I doubt it honestly as I only have 65 races under my belt total. Being honest with myself, I think I need to stay a B for at least a bit longer.
-There aren't enough players in a lobby of the same rating so we're all getting bunched together.
-People are just getting better at the track as the week goes on (present company included).
Could be all three. Who knows...
Not a whole lot to report, finally got put with a bunch of other Bs, started on pole, and despite some early pressure from the Jag was able to build up a 1-1.5" lead and just bring it home from there.
And, for those who may be paying attention, I am recycling this same livery with just different colors a lot. Breaks up the monotony
It has been lately, for me anyway. Back in the RBRing Daily it was pretty consistent with basically all Bs; same with Brazil at the beginning of the week. I was able to get like 4-5 wins in the Mustang, one in the DB9, and one in the Hyundai. As of the last few days I am fighting for top 5s and am usually pretty happy to be on the podium. I remember one where there were some Cs in as well.
I am thinking either:
-Maybe I am getting close to A rating so it's throwing me in with As to see how it goes...? I doubt it honestly as I only have 65 races under my belt total. Being honest with myself, I think I need to stay a B for at least a bit longer.
-There aren't enough players in a lobby of the same rating so we're all getting bunched together.
-People are just getting better at the track as the week goes on (present company included).
Could be all three. Who knows...
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I think you might be close to A. It’s harder to fill a room with all As so there’s often A+ thrown in with them.
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Very next race I did... I am now an A. I guess I should be happy? haha.
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Polyphony - Releases an amazing game with a terrible penalty system and an AI that trains players that winning comes from violence.
Youtuber - drives fast, acts toxic, makes a lot of mistakes. Refuses to acknowledge anything might be even partially his fault.
Internet - deliberates on, plans, and executes murder on the track. Refuses to acknowledge anything might be even partially their fault.
Everyone, when the lobbies get more and more toxic over time - :surprised pikachu face:
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