GTP Cool Wall - Lancia Thema 8.32

[Northstar]

It's not very pretty, and it's got front-wheel-drive which means you'll get plenty of understeer. Also, I don't know how much 40,000 British pounds are in USD but I can tell it's fairly overpriced. However, it's got a Ferrari V8 and it's surprisingly fast.

40,000BP = $57,000

 

[Joey D]

£40,000 is about $65,000 USD.

Edit: To be technical it's $64,084.00 USD based on current exchange rates.

 

[Worst_Driver]

Uncool, it's bland looking and ugly at the same time. The V8 and the fact that it is a lancia saves it from being seriously uncool.

 

[TheCracker]

Ferraris are generally incredibly uncool. Ferrari engined cars built by other manufacturers (even if the engine is only really Ferrari based) are usually cool however. Trouble with the Thema 8.32 is that, bland/dull looks aside, it cost twice as much as the 2.0 Thema Turbo, yet was no more powerful and no quicker. Because the engine was heavier, it didn't handle as well either. It was also around at a similar time to the Lotus Carlton which utterly blew it away in every regard. Uncool.

 

[Azure Flare]

it looks like an 80's car. Uncool

 

[Jim Prower]

Ferraris are generally incredibly uncool. Ferrari engined cars built by other manufacturers (even if the engine is only really Ferrari based) are usually cool however. Trouble with the Thema 8.32 is that, bland/dull looks aside, it cost twice as much as the 2.0 Thema Turbo, yet was no more powerful and no quicker. Because the engine was heavier, it didn't handle as well either. It was also around at a similar time to the Lotus Carlton which utterly blew it away in every regard. Uncool.

^forget the sleeper argument, this is what matters. For some reason, just because the engine says "Ferrari" on it, people assume it goes like a bat out of hell.

 

[GM]

it looks like an 80's car. Uncool

What year is a car meant to look like when it's made in 1989?

 

[TaurusSHO]

But you have to explain a sleeper. Which is not cool. You also have to explain that the engine is from a Ferrari.

You don’t have explain what a sleeper is right away. The whole idea of sleeper is you pull beside a sports car. They think you crazy because your trying to race in a plain looking Lancia sedan. Then to their amazement you kick their butts. Then you explain but by that time you have respect so they will believe every word you say.

Why?

Why does anyone have to explain a sleeper??

Every time a sleeper of some sort comes up on the coolwall people say this - why?

If you explain that it's a sleeper, what you're doing is sitting at the lights, a Porker comes next to you, you both start revving, and then you hang out the window and say "oh - by the way, this car may look like a crap datsun clad with hello kitty junk, but only last week I pulled an 8.3 on the 1/4mile, so, for fear of embarrasment, you way want to cease that revving banter and continue on your way with your credability semi intact, unless you still want to have a little race wit me". Where's the fun in that? I think that the only explaining, and indeed the whole point with sleepers is that you explain by performace when least expected by others - otherwise whats the point of a sleeper?

If you rock up in this Lancia whateveritis, people will knoch you for having a crap car. You don't say - "oh, oh, but it has an engine out of a Ferrari", no - you show them up by beating at the lights - and then who has the last laugh?

He gets it.

 

[CarBastard]

Here's the rub. If you have a performance car, people see a performance car and judge it on that. If you have a family car, people see a family car and judge it on that. If you have a family car that happens to be a performance car with no visual cues (a sleeper), people see a family car and judge it on that.

People don't see a booted middle-aged-mobile in burgundy and think "Cool". So you have to tell them that it isn't just that - it's called 8.32 because it has the 32-valve V8 from a Ferrari and can do 0-60 in such and such and a quarter mile at this Vmax - and there's no way of doing this without sounding like the most boring person on Earth. And that's not a cool sound.

Sleepers are cool to car people though. Problem is that car people know they're performance cars that look like family cars - and that means they're no longer sleepers because they know what to expect. And car people aren't cool. Sorry, but we just aren't.


So ultimately you have a car that goes really well but looks like it doesn't. The only people who'd care already know how well it goes, which ruins the point - and anything they think is cool isn't, because they aren't. And everyone else just sees how it looks, which is usually boring - and boring isn't cool. Which means sleepers can't be cool just because they're sleepers (though they still can be for other reasons).

I'm joining your fanclub. That's exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[Jondot]

You don’t have explain what a sleeper is right away. The whole idea of sleeper is you pull beside a sports car. They think you crazy because your trying to race in a plain looking Lancia sedan. Then to their amazement you kick their butts.

Then you never see that person again because you've both driven off. Meanwhile everyone else assumes you've bought a large Fiat. The sleeper logic is there, but it's only cool for that specific moment.

 

[CarBastard]

Then you never see that person again because you've both driven off. Meanwhile everyone else assumes you've bought a large Fiat. The sleeper logic is there, but it's only cool for that specific moment.

And the sleeper logic is only there too, as Famine stated, for us car bores, which makes it just more uncool.

 

[EA11R]

Hey pal, more than you can afford.

Cool. Barely.

 

[Jim Prower]

You don’t have explain what a sleeper is right away. The whole idea of sleeper is you pull beside a sports car. They think you crazy because your trying to race in a plain looking Lancia sedan. Then to their amazement you kick their butts. Then you explain but by that time you have respect so they will believe every word you say.



He gets it.

But it's not a Sleeper, no more than the 2.0 Turbo model is. The Ferrari engine does nothing for the performance of this vehicle.

 

[Boffin]

Therein lies the nub.

People don't like boring-looking cars. They look boring. People don't like in-your-face cars. They look too ostentatious. People are fickle - this is why we have people voting for socialism but complaining about taxes.

Boring is sometimes what you need. I know need is not the same as want or cool, but I see some cool factor in it. You don't try on the looks, so some people world find that cool. Again, as I said, the ruddy looks means you don't have to care about looking after it. Hence cool because you aren't the one being laughed at by the neighbours because every weekend you are salivating over a piece of metal, with your polish and rag. I had one of those people - he went through 4 Honda preludes and cleaned them EVERY weekend. I'm not going into whether the Prelude is cool or not, but that particular example (of owner and car) were less cool because of it. And I'm sorry, but if someone had a nice car, chances are they're turn into him.

Any car I would buy with my own money is uncool.

That's quite similar to the TG Cool Wall, actually. Any car owned by a TG presenter is uncool until they get rid of it.

Hmmmm, because the TG presenters have always been a beacon of truth haven't they?
No. Some cars, have coolness of such magnitude that if anything they lift the coolness of the driver. 300SLs, Aston DB9s and even a Citroen DSs (according to most) are examples. The only way people think you're uncool in those is if you wear a shirt saying "Internet Super Moderator" *runs and hides*. J/k
I reckon if you by a cool car - eg - a car that people see the drivers of and think they're cool, people would have to know you before hand if they were to determine you as uncool. A Phaeton doesn't try hard in terms of looks, so they won't see you as a tosser - more someone with good taste - and maybe a nice wine palette too.
You, as an anonymous person would not be considered any different to any other anonymous person. So if every anonymous person bought a car and is immediately uncool according to everyone (because they bought a car - which someone would find cool), regardless of car - then what, prey tell, is the point of the cool wall? It doesn't happen. Therefore, some cars much be considered immediately cool - regardless of who's driving it. I tried to explain it, but its a hard concept.

And they also never get Nobel Prizes or honorary knighthoods.

Mick Jagger ain't cool? Have you seen the bird hanging off his arm? Trophy wives/girlfriends aren't cool - but you have to be cool to get one. Fact.

The universe loves irony.

I was honestly expecting something better than that. If you can't explain, then don't bother giving me the "rub" in the first place. Uncool people are within their right to ask questions about coolness, but they aren't when explaining coolness.

 

[Northstar]

Mick Jagger ain't cool? Have you seen the bird hanging off his arm? Trophy wives/girlfriends aren't cool - but you have to be cool to get one. Fact.

Mick Jagger is as cool as hot lava. Trophy wives are also just a different brand of prostitutes, and prostitutes are never cool. You also don't have to be cool to get one, you just need a crap load of money.

 

[Jondot]

Boring is sometimes what you need. I know need is not the same as want or cool, but I see some cool factor in it. You don't try on the looks, so some people world find that cool. Again, as I said, the ruddy looks means you don't have to care about looking after it.

'cept you would, because Lancia made about 6 of these and so you'd probably treat it like your first born child.

...giving me the "rub"...

...

Nah, too easy.

 

[niky]

I was honestly expecting something better than that. If you can't explain, then don't bother giving me the "rub" in the first place. Uncool people are within their right to ask questions about coolness, but they aren't when explaining coolness.

If you have to ask about it, or have to think about how to be cool, you're not.

(this is the general "you", meaning you, he, she, they, them, me, us... not you-you)

If you take exception to being called uncool, you're uncool... simply because you think you're cool. Cool people don't think they're cool. They don't care.

It's like The Game. I've just lost "The Game" (but managed to keep at it for months, this time... ) because I've thought about it. You've just lost it because you read it.

"Cool" isn't something you set out to be. Which means a Ferrari is never cool, because people buy Ferraris to be cool. It's only cool when it's not a particularly good Ferrari for being cool in (the Ferrari F40 is a good case in point... because it's an awful road car... the F50 because it's awfully ugly... ).

An old Porsche 911 is cool. A new one isn't, because people buy them specifically to be cool, which is not cool.

An old Mini Cooper... well... the nice thing about old Mini Coopers is that cool people actually buy them simply because they like them... which makes them cool.

-

And yes, I'm notoriously boring and uncool when talking about cars. I'm somewhat cooler (according to people I know) when I'm not. But to not talk about cars just because I don't want to be uncool is seriously uncool, which is why I don't really heed their advice to shut up and am content to be as uncool as I want to be.

 

[Cano]

hahaha all this cool/ uncool, sleeper discussion is way fun and neat, most points discussed are awesome.

Oh, and by the way, this thing is the worst car to ever cross the GTP Cool wall this side of the Cadillac Cimarron.

 

[Boffin]

Mick Jagger is as cool as hot lava. Trophy wives are also just a different brand of prostitutes, and prostitutes are never cool. You also don't have to be cool to get one, you just need a crap load of money.

Nah....Jagger, part of the Stones, defined "cool" at one point. Not as cool now, but still cool IMO.

'cept you would, because Lancia made about 6 of these and so you'd probably treat it like your first born child.

Ahhh yes, but you wouldn't have to worry about leaving it on the street. Because it attracts no attention.

...

Nah, too easy.

Well done.

If you have to ask about it, or have to think about how to be cool, you're not.

(this is the general "you", meaning you, he, she, they, them, me, us... not you-you)

If you take exception to being called uncool, you're uncool... simply because you think you're cool. Cool people don't think they're cool. They don't care.

It's like The Game. I've just lost "The Game" (but managed to keep at it for months, this time... ) because I've thought about it. You've just lost it because you read it.

"Cool" isn't something you set out to be. Which means a Ferrari is never cool, because people buy Ferraris to be cool. It's only cool when it's not a particularly good Ferrari for being cool in (the Ferrari F40 is a good case in point... because it's an awful road car... the F50 because it's awfully ugly... ).

An old Porsche 911 is cool. A new one isn't, because people buy them specifically to be cool, which is not cool.

An old Mini Cooper... well... the nice thing about old Mini Coopers is that cool people actually buy them simply because they like them... which makes them cool.

-

And yes, I'm notoriously boring and uncool when talking about cars. I'm somewhat cooler (according to people I know) when I'm not. But to not talk about cars just because I don't want to be uncool is seriously uncool, which is why I don't really heed their advice to shut up and am content to be as uncool as I want to be.

/o\. It has been established that car bore's aren't cool. I'm not saying I'm cool, but I am saying that uncool people are allowed to ask about coolness. Look at any scenario - its always uncool people asking about coolness, cool people talking about themselves and how they're cool.

 

[TheCracker]

But it's not a Sleeper, no more than the 2.0 Turbo model is. The Ferrari engine does nothing for the performance of this vehicle.

It also means that your Fiat now costs as much as a Ferrari to service. You're unlikely to be running a Ferrari as your everyday car, so the milage won't pile on and you'll probably get away with an annual service. Your Fiat Croma+ will likely be your daily commuter and therefore with short service intervals (for the Ferrari engine) you're going to hemorrhage money on it. Another uncool.

 

[Famine]

Boring is sometimes what you need. I know need is not the same as want or cool, but I see some cool factor in it.

Boring is sometimes necessary, yes. But necessity and boredom aren't cool.

Hmmmm, because the TG presenters have always been a beacon of truth haven't they?

Who said anything about truth?

They're a fat man with bad hair and a penchant for denim, a slightly effete fop who likes rugby shirts, real ale and names his spanners and a forty-something dwarf Barry with whitened teeth. Anything they buy becomes uncool because they have one - in the same way that any car bought by Graham Norton or Sir Elton John isn't cool - until they get rid of it and stop tarnishing the car's image with their own.

You, as an anonymous person would not be considered any different to any other anonymous person. So if every anonymous person bought a car and is immediately uncool according to everyone (because they bought a car - which someone would find cool), regardless of car - then what, prey tell, is the point of the cool wall? It doesn't happen. Therefore, some cars much be considered immediately cool - regardless of who's driving it. I tried to explain it, but its a hard concept.

Except I'm not an anonymous person. I'm a person who looks like me - which isn't a cool look.

Now, you have a bunch of people who look like me buying the same car and suddenly you have a load of uncool people tarnishing a car's image.

However, environment is also important. I'd hope that you have no idea who Graham Norton is - if you do then I feel bad for you and must point out that he's Ireland's fault, even though the BBC gives him lots of money. Anyway, point is that if I know Graham Norton has a car, I know that car's uncool. If you know Graham Norton has a car, you say "Who's Graham Norton?" and the coolness is unaffected. Similarly, if you know Famine has a car, you know that car's uncool. If someone on forzamotorsports.net knows Famine has a car, they say "Who's Famine?" and the coolness is unaffected.

Mick Jagger ain't cool? Have you seen the bird hanging off his arm? Trophy wives/girlfriends aren't cool - but you have to be cool to get one. Fact.

Cool people don't call attention to themsleves. Simple.

I was honestly expecting something better than that. If you can't explain, then don't bother giving me the "rub" in the first place. Uncool people are within their right to ask questions about coolness, but they aren't when explaining coolness.

Luckily, what you were expecting is nothing to do with me and irrelevant. We all know we're car bores and thus uncool. If you have an issue with the Cool Wall being a bunch of uncool people saying what's uncool, I'd suggest you stop voting or paying any attention to it at all - because that's what it is and it isn't going change. Personally, I have little issue because I, like the universe, love a bit of irony.

 

[Boffin]

Boring is sometimes necessary, yes. But necessity and boredom aren't cool.

To you. May not be your scene (not really mine much either) but roof racks are coming in to the modifcation world.

Who said anything about truth?

They're a fat man with bad hair and a penchant for denim, a slightly effete fop who likes rugby shirts, real ale and names his spanners and a forty-something dwarf Barry with whitened teeth. Anything they buy becomes uncool because they have one - in the same way that any car bought by Graham Norton or Sir Elton John isn't cool - until they get rid of it and stop tarnishing the car's image with their own.

Then why referance them?

Except I'm not an anonymous person. I'm a person who looks like me - which isn't a cool look.

Now, you have a bunch of people who look like me buying the same car and suddenly you have a load of uncool people tarnishing a car's image.

Whaaaa? Are you famous? Do people, outside of GTP, that don't directly know who you are or recognise you if I were to show them a mug shot of you?

However, environment is also important. I'd hope that you have no idea who Graham Norton is - if you do then I feel bad for you and must point out that he's Ireland's fault, even though the BBC gives him lots of money. Anyway, point is that if I know Graham Norton has a car, I know that car's uncool. If you know Graham Norton has a car, you say "Who's Graham Norton?" and the coolness is unaffected. Similarly, if you know Famine has a car, you know that car's uncool. If someone on forzamotorsports.net knows Famine has a car, they say "Who's Famine?" and the coolness is unaffected.

Yeah, I know of Graham Norton. Thing is, people know him. If you drive through London, do people immediatly know you are a car enthusiast? Are they mind readers? Probably not.

Luckily, what you were expecting is nothing to do with me and irrelevant. We all know we're car bores and thus uncool. If you have an issue with the Cool Wall being a bunch of uncool people saying what's uncool, I'd suggest you stop voting or paying any attention to it at all - because that's what it is and it isn't going change. Personally, I have little issue because I, like the universe, love a bit of irony.

No. Too much of an easy way out ot it - and I don't believe there's an umbrella uncoolness over every motorhead. In your eyes, who's cool today? Most of the women population and a few guys? Come off it.

Such a long way we've come since me asking why its obligatory to explain sleepers....

 

[Famine]

To you. May not be your scene (not really mine much either) but roof racks are coming in to the modifcation world.

What does this have to do with coolness?

Then why referance them?

Did you read what I typed?

It's because they're three famous people who are uncool (as described). When they buy a car, it becomes uncool because they have it regardless of any other factors. When they get rid of it, it stops being uncool because they have it.

Whaaaa? Are you famous? Do people, outside of GTP, that don't directly know who you are or recognise you if I were to show them a mug shot of you?

Again, you haven't read what I typed. At all. The paragraph you quoted says how I can be perceived as uncool. The very next paragraph, which you also quoted, explains that I'm not famous and how regional fame comes into it.

Yeah, I know of Graham Norton. Thing is, people know him. If you drive through London, do people immediatly know you are a car enthusiast? Are they mind readers? Probably not.

Except I'm not an anonymous person. I'm a person who looks like me - which isn't a cool look.

Now, you have a bunch of people who look like me buying the same car and suddenly you have a load of uncool people tarnishing a car's image.

See how mind-reading and fame isn't involved?

No. Too much of an easy way out ot it - and I don't believe there's an umbrella uncoolness over every motorhead.

Believe what you like. Being a car enthusiast isn't cool.

In your eyes, who's cool today?

We've already established that I'm not cool and anything I think is cool isn't. So the merit of the question is...?

Such a long way we've come since me asking why its obligatory to explain sleepers....

The point of sleepers is that they are cool because they aren't. If they were cool they wouldn't be sleepers.

 

[Boffin]

What does this have to do with coolness?



Did you read what I typed?

It's because they're three famous people who are uncool (as described). When they buy a car, it becomes uncool because they have it regardless of any other factors. When they get rid of it, it stops being uncool because they have it.



Again, you haven't read what I typed. At all. The paragraph you quoted says how I can be perceived as uncool. The very next paragraph, which you also quoted, explains that I'm not famous and how regional fame comes into it.

See how mind-reading and fame isn't involved?

I read your posts. Just fine.

You're a person who looks like you. Do you look ordinary? Or do you have elephantitis on your face? If you came to my hometown, would you stand out?

I think I've seen a picture of you somewhere - and you look like an ordinary bloke - so why would someone who looks like you be considered uncool when driving a car? I can see where you are going with the environment thing, but really, at least where I'm from, they go hand in hand.

Believe what you like. Being a car enthusiast isn't cool.

You have more say in it than I because......?

We've already established that I'm not cool and anything I think is cool isn't. So the merit of the question is...?

.....To figure out who you think is cool? Just think how many people like cars - there's quite a lot of them - so who is your yardstick? A lot of people in the public eye love their cars - F1 drivers, hollywood celebs, journos - and so do heaps not in it. If you think its uncool to like cars, when there's obviously a lot of people who do like them, maybe you are part of a minority with that belief.

So - who, in the public eye, that I'd know about (or any UK personality) is cool?

And while we're on the subject, what hobbies and interests would instantly class someone as cool if they follow them?

The point of sleepers is that they are cool because they aren't. If they were cool they wouldn't be sleepers.

So there's a level of coolness? Why then are they always instantly uncool if they are cool by being uncool? Wouldn't that at least neutralise it?

 

[Famine]

I read your posts. Just fine.

You're a person who looks like you. Do you look ordinary? Or do you have elephantitis on your face? If you came to my hometown, would you stand out?

I think I've seen a picture of you somewhere - and you look like an ordinary bloke - so why would someone who looks like you be considered uncool when driving a car? I can see where you are going with the environment thing, but really, at least where I'm from, they go hand in hand.

You've got it 100% there. I look like an ordinary bloke. Someone who looks like me cannot be cool - since when was ordinary cool?

You have more say in it than I because......?

... I'm right.

What we care about is really boring and boring isn't cool.

.....To figure out who you think is cool?

But if I think they're cool, it's pretty self-evident they aren't because I'm not.

And while we're on the subject, what hobbies and interests would instantly class someone as cool if they follow them?

Anything that someone who isn't cool doesn't think is cool.

So there's a level of coolness? Why then are they always instantly uncool if they are cool by being uncool? Wouldn't that at least neutralise it?

It doesn't neutralise it simply because they're uncool. They're uncool across the board. They're bland and blend in, so no-one knows how quick they are - uncool. Telling people why they're not really bland means you have to explain it - uncool. People who know how quick they are ruin the point of them being bland and blending in - uncool. People who know how quick they are and think they're cool are car enthusiasts and are uncool - uncool.

That's the conundrum of sleepers - their coolness depends on no-one ever knowing they're cool, and that means no sleeper can be cool for reasons of being a sleeper.

 

[Boffin]

You've got it 100% there. I look like an ordinary bloke. Someone who looks like me cannot be cool - since when was ordinary cool?

Since going under the radar was. You think the cool kids at school were cool because they look different? I went to an all boys school, where we didn't care about what people looked like. There was coolness and uncoolness, but detirmened on personality.

... I'm right.

What we care about is really boring and boring isn't cool.

Really?

But if I think they're cool, it's pretty self-evident they aren't because I'm not.

Hmmmm - you see here we go. Why isn't it applied to cars? People who are cool but you think they are so they aren't - right? So a car that you think isn't cool must be cool then....

... I'm right.

Hmmmmm I'm beginning to doubt that.

Anything that someone who isn't cool doesn't think is cool.

Enough with the generalisations. Are you going to give me some specific names of people and hobbies?

Not names that prove your point, but names that truthfully come to mind when you think of cool people.

James Dean was widely regarded as a cool guy. How did he die again?

It doesn't neutralise it simply because they're uncool. They're uncool across the board. They're bland and blend in, so no-one knows how quick they are - uncool. Telling people why they're not really bland means you have to explain it - uncool. People who know how quick they are ruin the point of them being bland and blending in - uncool. People who know how quick they are and think they're cool are car enthusiasts and are uncool - uncool.

That's the conundrum of sleepers - their coolness depends on no-one ever knowing they're cool, and that means no sleeper can be cool for reasons of being a sleeper.

Thats one way of putting it, but another is that the sleeper is the underdog in a race, and underdogs are generally regarded cool. No?

Australian Open - 2006 - Marcos Baghdatis. Unknown player that felled full on supertars, making it to the final, no less. He generated massive exitement and a whole new following, and he was widely regarded as awesomely cool at the time for doing it. No one knew him, but he was pulling the top 20 to shreds. He was an ordinary guy struggling with tennis before the grand slam started, and if he were to tell people he was going to the finals, they would have thought he was bonkers, and not very cool because of it. By doing instead of telling, he was cool - much like the effect with sleepers.

 

[Famine]

Since going under the radar was.

Ordinary isn't cool. If it was then it wouldn't be ordinary any more. Ordinary is the centre of the bell curve - the hump between extraordinary and sub-optimal.

You think the cool kids at school were cool because they look different?

Why would you think I think that, at least enough to ask?

I went to an all boys school, where we didn't care about what people looked like.

So did I. We wore the same uniform. I'm not getting the relevance.

Really?

Yes, really. There is nothing at all interesting about horsepower, acceleration, weight distribution, drivetrains or interior plastics. Well, except to us, and we're not cool.

Hmmmm - you see here we go. Why isn't it applied to cars? People who are cool but you think they are so they aren't - right? So a car that you think isn't cool must be cool then....

Who said it isn't applied to cars? I mean I have stated time and again that any car I'd buy with my own money is uncool, and obviously I must think the car is cool enough to spend money on it! The difference is I'm not so introverted as to think what I think is cool is cool.

Enough with the generalisations. Are you going to give me some specific names of people and hobbies?

Not names that prove your point, but names that truthfully come to mind when you think of cool people.

No. The reason being that I don't care whether people are cool or not.

Thats one way of putting it, but another is that the sleeper is the underdog in a race, and underdogs are generally regarded cool. No?

No. If you think the sleeper is the underdog, you won't know that it isn't. Uncool. If you know that it isn't the underdog, it isn't. Uncool.

And the public roads aren't a race.

Australian Open - 2006 - Marcos Baghdatis. Unknown player that felled full on supertars, making it to the final, no less. He generated massive exitement and a whole new following, and he was widely regarded as awesomely cool at the time for doing it. No one knew him, but he was pulling the top 20 to shreds. He was an ordinary guy struggling with tennis before the grand slam started, and if he were to tell people he was going to the finals, they would have thought he was bonkers, and not very cool because of it. By doing instead of telling, he was cool - much like the effect with sleepers.

And he lost. And is only remembered by Wikipedia contributors. Coolest. Tennis. Player. Ever.

 

[niky]

/o\. It has been established that car bore's aren't cool. I'm not saying I'm cool, but I am saying that uncool people are allowed to ask about coolness. Look at any scenario - its always uncool people asking about coolness, cool people talking about themselves and how they're cool.

Talking about how cool you are is so not cool it automatically disqualifies you from ever qualifying as cool. Unless you're so cool that you're exempt from this rule. But if you have to make that excuse, you're not.

From TvTropes.Org:

The Utterly And Completely Definitive Guide To Cool

Pfah.

Yeah, sure.

There's never going to be such a thing, because one fundamental quality of Cool is that it changes over time, from culture to culture and from generation to generation. It varies in how it's defined, how it's exhibited, and how it's determined.

There is also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of Cool, which states that any attempt to define or to explain Coolness changes it, and that you can know that something is Cool or why it's Cool but not both. Okay, Heisenberg never said any such thing, but it would be Cool if he had.

There is also Schrodinger's Cool, in which you ponder whether something that may or may not exist would be cool, but invariably if you try to find out, it's not cool.

The Hyneman-Savage Rule of Cool is that explosions generally qualify as cool. The Size Corollary on this is that the bigger, the better. The Bay coefficient states that the number of explosions cannot outnumber the hours spent writing the script.

There is one thing that has not changed and probably never will change, about being Cool, though. That is that if you're sufficiently Cool, you can get away with things less-Cool people couldn't pull off in their wildest dreams.
There's the Cool that comes from how you dress, the Cool that comes from how you act, the Cool that comes from what you can or will do. There's the Cool that makes others see you as unattainable, and the Cool that makes others see you as desirable. There's Cool that's hot, and Cool that's cold; Cool that's completely in control and Cool that's completely not in control but unflappable nonetheless. There's the Cool that is comfortable anywhere, any time, in any circumstance, and the Cool that removes itself from any insufficiently-Cool scene and doesn't associate with unCool people, and the Cool that causes a scene and the people in it to be Cool because Cool is there.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheUtterlyAndCompletelyDefinitiveGuideToCool

Who said it isn't applied to cars? I mean I have stated time and again that any car I'd buy with my own money is uncool, and obviously I must think the car is cool enough to spend money on it! The difference is I'm not so introverted as to think what I think is cool is cool.

This falls under a separate rule. If it's something that people think is cool and can't buy, it's cool. If people think it's cool and everyone gets one... then it's no longer cool... it's a trend. And a trend is not cool, because you're doing something everyone else is doing.

It boggles my mind that I've been reading that rule of yours for so long and only now figured it out.

Of course, I'm introverted enough to think what I think is cool is actually cool, even if I know it isn't... but then again, the statistics of the cool wall always bear out the truth.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

"Cool" isn't something you set out to be. Which means a Ferrari is never cool, because people buy Ferraris to be cool. It's only cool when it's not a particularly good Ferrari for being cool in (the Ferrari F40 is a good case in point... because it's an awful road car... the F50 because it's awfully ugly... ).

That's what I don't get. If people buy Ferraris to be cool, then the cars must be cool whether or not the person is cool.

 

[homeforsummer]

Am I the only person here for whom the word "cool" is starting to lose meaning now that I've read it so many times?...