GTP NASCAR Truck Series General Discussion / POLL UP

[DrifterJoe]

If you want a nice symmetrical oval that's just over 1/3 of a mile, check out the one I have up. Knelly might be using it for his Euro NASCAR series.

 

[cgr-10]

For this, I'd say no cautions except at SSRX, Indy, Daytona and maybe Motegi for 3-4 or 5 car incidents (i.e: the 'Big One'). A lap or two to bunch up should suffice. Maybe have a lucky dog pass to make things interesting.

 

[MustangRyan]

I still say the best way to actually have cautions is to do it this way, and this way only:

1. The race is run using HEAVY damage.
2. When an accident involving 3 or more cars occurs, the caution comes out.
3. Pit road is immediately CLOSED. Absolutely no cars will be allowed to pit under caution, under any circumstances. Cars that pit under caution are penalized 1 lap by the league host during race review.
4. The race leader slows down to the pre-designated safe caution speed.
5. The field bunches up behind the leader, until all cars have rejoined the lead pack (2 laps maximum, or 5000m at SSRX).
6. Cars with heavy damage drop to the back of the lead pack, so as not to cause damage to other cars.
7. When the race leader passes the pit entry at the end of caution lap 2, the race goes back to green flag, and the pit road opens for legal pit stops.



This forces everyone to pit under green flag conditions, which prevents multiple problems, yet somewhat maintains fairness for cars that are innocent victims of accidents. Here's how...

Cars involved in the wreck can pit to repair their damage, but they can't immediately rejoin the lead pack because they pit at the same time that the leaders that stayed out drive away to restart the race. This puts them one pit stop behind the leaders. However, if the drivers that did pit manage to stay out until the next green flag pit cycle starts for the other drivers, everything should even out.

Cars not involved in the wreck don't have drivers that were just in the wreck right back in the lead pack immediately, unless they opted to stay out with damage and worn tires (which should slow them down). They also don't have a specific pre-planned pit strategy ruined by a caution coming out at the wrong time, as everyone has to pit only under green flag conditions.

No one is going to be able to pit under every single caution in order to get fresh tires and gas and immediately rejoin the lead pack for each restart.

Thoughts?

 

[gokartman78]

^^great idea. allows cautions to work and allows drivers to make their race. should also prevent people taking people out on purpose

 

[cgr-10]

I think heavy damage in these trucks will cause even more BS between drivers when the cautions don't come out after a small incident, yet people have damage, because the racing here is generally pretty damn rough. It works in IndyCar as everybody's pretty careful and there's no bumping but here it seems it's not racing unless you're knocking on the guy in front's bumper constantly for 100 laps.

I'd suggest having very short cautions, just to bunch the pack up after any massive wrecks; meaning upwards of 3/4 cars. No pitting under caution at all, just bunches the field back up, doesn't ruin strategy, won't cause arguments and is very, very simple.

EDIT: If it wasn't clear there, I suggest light damaged be maintained. Partly due to the experience of the field that may be attracted and partly due to the above.

 

[Furinkazen]

With how big closing rates are how lag bumps work, heavy damage is asking for trouble.

I have a few oval replacements. Also Phoenix may be renamed after a request I have had.

 

[Furinkazen]

With how big closing rates are how lag bumps work, heavy damage is asking for trouble.

I have a few oval replacements. Also Phoenix may be renamed after a request I have had.

EDIT: No yellows for Monster or Iowa owing to their short length? 💡

 

[gokartman78]

With how big closing rates are how lag bumps work, heavy damage is asking for trouble.

I have a few oval replacements. Also Phoenix may be renamed after a request I have had.

EDIT: No yellows for Monster or Iowa owing to their short length? 💡

agreed.

 

[Furinkazen]

agreed.

Having a field stacking up slowing will just cause more trouble, and it will just lead to caution after caution.

 

[gokartman78]

Having a field stacking up slowing will just cause more trouble, and it will just lead to caution after caution.

and the fact that at monster the leader will be nose to tail with (if there is) 16th place...

 

[Carbonox]

Seriously, without cautions there won't be any penalty for dirty driving unless they get put off too... In Daytona and SSRX, the only way to climb back into the pack after getting put off is with a caution, and you need to take it into account. I won't be everyone's ****bag any longer, it'll only take a few hits and I'm done with all this crap.

 

[Akmuq]

I think we should have cautions on the short tracks as well, just restart them single file, but then again, cautions would eat into Venom's lead...

 

[Furinkazen]

Great news: I have a 0.5 mile (EXACTLY) wider Tokyo Bay track, Martinsville! . Looks set to replace Iowa.

 

[cgr-10]

Great news: I have a 0.5 mile (EXACTLY) wider Tokyo Bay track, Martinsville! . Looks set to replace Iowa.

Why not replace Monster with it so we don't have to race at two flat short tracks

You only need cautions at Daytona, Indy, SSRX and possibly Motegi. Nowhere else will cause massive 4+ car pileups.

 

[Carbonox]

Why not replace Monster with it so we don't have to race at two flat short tracks

You only need cautions at Daytona, Indy, SSRX and possibly Motegi. Nowhere else will cause massive 4+ car pileups.

Well, more like, include cautions in every track where you can't possibly catch up without drafting.

My idea is to utilize cautions, but while having the offending driver make a pitstop under green as a penalty.

 

[cgr-10]

Well, more like, include cautions in every track where you can't possibly catch up without drafting.

My idea is to utilize cautions, but while having the offending driver make a pitstop under green as a penalty.

Too hard to make decisions like that on track, after race time/points penalties are better as you can look at the incident in detail. Sounds obvious but y'know

Screw pitting under caution completely. This series uses light damage and it makes ZERO sense to let people pit under caution; it'll just neuter the racing as pit strategy will go out the window due to the fact you can get fresh tyres, fill up and rejoin the lead pack for the restart. Exactly the reason IndyCar has changed it's procedure.

 

[Carbonox]

Furi... This series, it clashes with Swifts

 

[neljack]

I would like to sign up . More news to follow

 

[Akmuq]

Have you ever seen a Daytona race where they didn't pit under caution?

Daytona-will be cautions, and pitting under caution
Indy-Not so sure, probably just a lot of squeezing into the wall and maybe a couple of cautions, with a mix of green flag and yellow flag stops
SSRX-Will be cautions, not so much pitting under caution though as we'll only be doing sector based
Motegi-Probably very little as most wrecks are just one person being clipped and getting hit out
Monster & Martinsville-Will only be a caution if there was a pile-up, in which case Furi probably would have done something any way.

 

[Furinkazen]

Right. Update:



08-10-12: 01: NextEra Energy Resources 250 @ Daytona Superspeedway (100 laps) (CAUTIONS)

08-17-12: 02: Old Spice 100 @ Las Vegas (Formerly Phoenix) (67 laps) (CAUTIONS)

08-24-12: 03: Toyota 200k @ SS Route X (7 laps) (CAUTIONS)

09-07-12: 04: Pensylvania 100 @ Pocono (41 laps) (CAUTIONS)

09-14-12: 05: Camping World 150 @ Motegi Superspeedway (100 Laps) (CAUTIONS)

09-21-12: 06: Kroger 100 @ Indianapolis Superspeedway (60 Laps) (CAUTIONS)

10-05-12: 07: Monster Energy 125 @ Monster Raceway (125 laps) (NO CAUTIONS)

10-12-12: 08: NASCAR Japan 100 @ Motegi Superspeedway (60 laps) (CAUTIONS)

10-19-12: 09: Coca Cola 150 @ SS Route X (8 laps) (CAUTIONS)

11-02-12: 10: Goodies 100 @ Martinsville (100 Laps) (NO CAUTIONS)

11-09-12: 11: Kroger 150 @ Daytona Superspeedway (60 laps) (CAUTIONS)

11-16-12: 12: Brickyard 150 @ Indianapolis Superspeedway (60 Laps) (CAUTIONS)



@ Tom, not decided on pit stops under yellow.

 

[cgr-10]

Have you ever seen a Daytona race where they didn't pit under caution?

Well yes mate, but that's the NASCAR Sprint Cup and they're up to 500 mile races added to the fact the GT5 'DRS Draft' doesn't exist in real life NASCAR; it's hard to pass. Here, if you pit under caution, you can just breeze back to 1st place again without breaking a sweat which is wrong.

Honestly, in my opinion pitting under caution is an awful idea unless a gap between the lead pack and the pitted cars is manufactured as in Indy. With heavy damage, it makes even less sense.

EDIT: Ok Furi. Cautions are a good idea, but there's no need to overly complicate them with pitting. Just bunch the field up for a lap or two and people will get less pissed off about wrecks (looking at you Carb! )

 

[Furinkazen]

Another idea is getting someone to watch the race and when I call out a caution / yellow they also type "Caution" in the chat box.

Also allow green flag racing back to the line, and if i'm really optimistic a pace car...

 

[Carbonox]

Thanks for the cautions Furry <3

 

[Furinkazen]

Thats it! Free pass! First car a lap down allowed to go around and gain a lap back.

 

[neljack]

Can I suggest we follow the 'Mario Kart' idea's? If you dont put bullet bills in then Im sorry but I am so outta here.

*slams door*

 

[cgr-10]

Target Chip Ganassi, runners up in the last season of IndyCar and current driver's championship leaders this season today decided to branch out into NASCAR, starting with the Camping World Truck Series due to start this summer. TCG bought out the Chqr owned, 'Dodge The Bullet Motorsports' this evening and will run three of their former Dodge powered trucks in this coming season. Team owner, TomMcD will drive as will former team owner Chqr. In addition, a well respected touring car, GT and IndyCar driver, neljack, will make his first steps into NASCAR, driving the third truck for the team. ​

 

[Furinkazen]

If we have no pitting under yellows, then the yellows can be like 2 laps. No yellow in last two laps though.

Eg: Daytona - crash on lap 97, lap 98 and 99 to get field together, then green on 100.


\EDIT: Tom - O.M.G

 

[cgr-10]

If we have no pitting under yellows, then the yellows can be like 2 laps. No yellow in last two laps though.

Eg: Daytona - crash on lap 97, lap 98 and 99 to get field together, then green on 100.


\EDIT: Tom - O.M.G

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Well, you needed a high profile team in the series. RPM? B**ch please

 

[neljack]

Target Chip Ganassi, runners up in the last season of IndyCar and current driver's championship leaders this season today decided to branch out into NASCAR, starting with the Camping World Truck Series due to start this summer. TCG bought out the Chqr owned, 'Dodge The Bullet Motorsports' this evening and will run three of their former Dodge powered trucks in this coming season. Team owner, TomMcD will drive as will former team owner Chqr. In addition, a well respected touring car, GT and IndyCar driver, neljack, will make his first steps into NASCAR, driving the third truck for the team.

Awesome 👍

 

[Furinkazen]

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Well, you needed a high profile team in the series. RPM? B**ch please

So really it's Petty Silverado vs Ganassi Dodge vs Randomers Toyota. With Carb, Jedi, and some more.

Teams will shake it up. No longer every man for himself.