GTP Race Event 02 - Discussion Thread

[MeAgainstYou]

M3 will suffice 👍

i just dont want to get bored with same car/circuit...

 

[MJH]

Really looking forward to this. Already love this combination, and the added pit stops will make it even more thrilling.

 

[Fuzzy]

Two questions regarding the Pit Stops.

1. Is it a drive through or stop and go Pit Stop ?

2. Also is there going to be any speed limiter in the Pit Lane ?

 

[Synwraith]

Oh marvellous, I'm racing the organiser

That's two mods in two weeks for me, if I win do i lose my premium mebership?

Keep up the great work Kev, and don't forget it's impossible to please all the people all the time. The overall feeling for me in this tournament is still one of overwhelming positivity and excitement 👍

(please be gentle with me)

All the best
Maz

 

[AutoAki]

I should been quiet about adding pit-stopping to event... even I think it will give some awesome new things to event.

I see there is two pit-stops demanded, so I have one question: If both drivers have one pit-stop left at lap 9, is it then allowed them to drive to there in a row, or should driver number 2 do his pit-stop at lap 8?

 

[uk86ze]

Two questions regarding the Pit Stops.

1. Is it a drive through or stop and go Pit Stop ?

2. Also is there going to be any speed limiter in the Pit Lane ?

1. It will be drive through as there's no way you can moniter someone stopping in the pit for a certain time.
2. No speed limit but your speed will detease automaticaly as you enter the pit.

 

[Fuzzy]

1. It will be drive through as there's no way you can moniter someone stopping in the pit for a certain time.
2. No speed limit but your speed will detease automaticaly as you enter the pit.

It can be done. My first round match was observed by GTP Race Admin. So you can have someone observing in the Pit Lane.

 

[davepierce07]

I have the full updated results converted to excel again, if anyone wants a look.....Really looking forward to this week, especially with the pit stop addition...👍👍

Updated again to week 2 pairings(keeping the tree format all the way to the end if poss)....

 

[Synwraith]

I should been quiet about adding pit-stopping to event... even I think it will give some awesome new things to event.

I see there is two pit-stops demanded, so I have one question: If both drivers have one pit-stop left at lap 9, is it then allowed them to drive to there in a row, or should driver number 2 do his pit-stop at lap 8?

I think in this case it might be better if the leading driver takes responsibility and pits on lap 8, leaving lap 9 for the following car...that is if both drivers have only completed one stop.

Or do you think that would be more forced and less tactical?

All the best
Maz

 

[uk86ze]

It can be done. My first round match was observed by GTP Race Admin. So you can have someone observing in the Pit Lane.

It will be a drive through this time then.

 

[AutoAki]

It can be done. My first round match was observed by GTP Race Admin. So you can have someone observing in the Pit Lane.

I dont see what would be the extra value about stopping? In my mind, it only makes things more complicated. Driving through+short-cut penalty will take so much time anyway.

I should been quiet about adding pit-stopping to event... even I think it will give some awesome new things to event.

I see there is two pit-stops demanded, so I have one question: If both drivers have one pit-stop left at lap 9, is it then allowed them to drive to there in a row, or should driver number 2 do his pit-stop at lap 8?

I think in this case it might be better if the leading driver takes responsibility and pits on lap 8, leaving lap 9 for the following car...that is if both drivers have only completed one stop.

Or do you think that would be more forced and less tactical?

All the best
Maz

My idea was, that leading guy would have right to decide where he wants to do pit-stops, and decide his tactics. I could also see, that if both have their second stop left at lap 9, they could do it in a row.

 

[EDK]

Sorry guys .. can't make this week and so will have to pull out, apologies to Sphinx who would have won anyway 👍
sorry about this and Good Luck to everyone still in the comp
Cheers
Ron.

Sorry that we're going to miss you. Would have been a great race between you guys.

the car will be always M3?

give us some fresh air please...

It will not ALWAYS be the M3. And you haven't even raced yet. That was one factor I considered for this week, we had several drivers with byes that might have setup and practiced with the M3. I did not want that to be wasted time. And the 10 lapper is really nice for this type of event, so hopefully they keep it in some form with the updates.

Two questions regarding the Pit Stops.

1. Is it a drive through or stop and go Pit Stop ?

2. Also is there going to be any speed limiter in the Pit Lane ?

It gives you a penalty. You are allowed to take it as fast as you are able to, while staying inside the lines with at least 2 wheels and avoiding the walls. Sphinx and I tested it last night for timing, it works out really well just as it is. 👍

Oh marvellous, I'm racing the organiser

That's two mods in two weeks for me, if I win do i lose my premium mebership?

Keep up the great work Kev, and don't forget it's impossible to please all the people all the time. The overall feeling for me in this tournament is still one of overwhelming positivity and excitement 👍

(please be gentle with me)

All the best
Maz

Sjaak got to keep his Mod status, so I think you are safe.

Thanks, based on the practice races I was in with you last weekend, I think it's going to be close!

I should been quiet about adding pit-stopping to event... even I think it will give some awesome new things to event.

I see there is two pit-stops demanded, so I have one question: If both drivers have one pit-stop left at lap 9, is it then allowed them to drive to there in a row, or should driver number 2 do his pit-stop at lap 8?

It was a great idea. We had discussed creating rules in regard to the slipstream prior to the first week, but were not satisfied with any of our ideas. Not sure why this one had not occurred to us, just not enough days from the update until posting the first race, I guess.

If you are unable to get both your stops in, you'll be DQ'd. It's up to you to keep track of where you are. But if you are behind on lap 8 and the lead driver does not pit, you'll have no choice but to pit or be DQ'd.

 

[AutoAki]

If you are unable to get both your stops in, you'll be DQ'd. It's up to you to keep track of where you are. But if you are behind on lap 8 and the lead driver does not pit, you'll have no choice but to pit or be DQ'd.

I think that's best solution. Driver 1 should always have right to choose how he will drive/tactic.

 

[DustDriver]

So if you both have to make the pit stop at lap 9, you better make sure you win the drag race to the pit entrance.
After that the leader can finish his race slowly as the opponent is disqualified

 

[AutoAki]

So if you both have to make the pit stop at lap 9, you better make sure you win the drag race to the pit entrance.
After that the leader can finish his race slowly as the opponent is disqualified

Hah... that's quite good point!

Maybe my idea about allowing both drivers to do pit-stop at lap 9 if needed, should have second thought...? In other case, we might have unfair situations coming, when driver 2 passes driver 1 by slipstreaming at end of mainstraight in lap 9, and comes then first to pit at end of lap 9.

 

[MeAgainstYou]

great question Aki... and good response by EDK!

i hope that both could find a better lap than 9 for the 2nd pit to avoid DQ issues...

good sense is more than welcome in these situations

 

[uk86ze]

how about having different pit windows for ceach driver

 

[Sphinx]

good sense is more than welcome in these situations

Amen to that.

 

[EDK]

how about having different pit windows for ceach driver

We talked about that. But I think everyone is making this more complicated than it really is.

You have 9 laps to choose from to make 2 pit stops.

Both drivers cannot pit on the same lap.

That means pit stops will take place on 4 out of 9 laps.

Personally, I'll make sure I get one in by lap 4, so I know I have 5 laps to make my second pit. And If I'm behind on lap 8 and the ahead driver does not pit, I'm going in.

If we assign windows, it adds complication and gives you more things to keep track of in the heat of a race. Probably not a good thing.

 

[GTP_Mav3r1cK]

It's almost always going to depend on how the race is going. If you get an advantage because your opponent has spun out in the early laps then I'd be looking to get the pitstops done in consecutive laps early on. If it's very close then perhaps an early stop and then a later one - but again other traffic on the track is going to play a major part in this as well.

Will most certainly be an interesting Session.......

 

[Hun200kmh]

.... Until the division championship round, we are only pairing drivers from the same class ...

Sorry, maybe I'm mistaken, but I think there's a pairing in Div2 between drivers of different classes. JvM (Div2Gold) vs. 2Fast4Stig (Div2Silver).

EDIT: Good luck to all, it's been great to follow this event, I'll try not to miss Event 03 (but I have been away from GT5P for so long now that I really think I need many practise days now just to return to my former speed in this game)

 

[EDK]

Sorry, maybe I'm mistaken, but I think there's a pairing in Div2 between drivers of different classes. JvM (Div2Gold) vs. 2Fast4Stig (Div2Silver).

You're correct, looks like I should have had 2 more byes, due to odd numbers in those classes. I'll need to have a look at my pairing sheet tonight and sort this one out.

 

[AutoAki]

i hope that both could find a better lap than 9 for the 2nd pit to avoid DQ issues...

good sense is more than welcome in these situations

Amen to that.

+1

I would never give chance, that me and my opponent would need to pit both at lap 9.

I think everyone is making this more complicated than it really is.

Youre right about that... but it was good to talk it through, so nobody accidentally wont come in that situation when 9th lap starts.

 

[spyrrari]

so i just tried this pitstop race on my own...:

started race 30 seconds later than the field...
made pitstop in lap 3 and 7...
i guess you loose about 7 or 8 seconds each pitstop,so about 15/16 seconds for 2...(if field is quick,your 45 seconds behind...)

had pretty clean laps accept on off(+5 seconds)because of an idiot who whas clearly having fun......

the guy who lead the normal race did low 1'40'..laps because when i did a 1'42,6xx he still gained massively!!

so he did a total racetime of 16,48 minutes...and i could't finish because i whas too late at the finishline(more than one minute!1)...



so i am afraid that when most of us are in a battle race,and the guy who is leading the "real" race is very fast(nissan,subaru,clio tuned)we will all have problems finishing our races......

i hope some more of you guys will try this out and see what happends...maybe we have to loose one pitstop,or shorten the 30 seconds whaiting rule??...

what do you lot think....



spyrrari.

 

[EDK]

so i just tried this pitstop race on my own...:

started race 30 seconds later than the field...
made pitstop in lap 3 and 7...
i guess you loose about 7 or 8 seconds each pitstop,so about 15/16 seconds for 2...(if field is quick,your 45 seconds behind...)

had pretty clean laps accept on off(+5 seconds)because of an idiot who whas clearly having fun......

the guy who lead the normal race did low 1'40'..laps because when i did a 1'42,6xx he still gained massively!!

so he did a total racetime of 16,48 minutes...and i could't finish because i whas too late at the finishline(more than one minute!1)...



so i am afraid that when most of us are in a battle race,and the guy who is leading the "real" race is very fast(nissan,subaru,clio tuned)we will all have problems finishing our races......

i hope some more of you guys will try this out and see what happends...maybe we have to loose one pitstop,or shorten the 30 seconds whaiting rule??...

what do you lot think....



spyrrari.

It's addressed in the race specifics. We're afraid that on a packed grid, less than 30 seconds may not give enough time to get off the track and back to the grid.

• If 10 laps are not possible, then the 60 second countdown will determine the end of the race.
• If the 60 second countdown rule comes into play, the leading car at the end of the countdown will be deemed the winner.

Sphinx and I tested last night, but not in packed or fast fields. I'd definitely suggest racing at off times, to get smaller and hopefully slower fields. And keep in mind, I'm not the fastest driver in this. Sphinx beat me by 13 seconds in our first race.

 

[Chrasher]

Hun200kmh View Post
Sorry, maybe I'm mistaken, but I think there's a pairing in Div2 between drivers of different classes. JvM (Div2Gold) vs. 2Fast4Stig (Div2Silver).

You're correct, looks like I should have had 2 more byes, due to odd numbers in those classes. I'll need to have a look at my pairing sheet tonight and sort this one out.

I don't mind a little challenge.....
If it's Ok with JvM and EDK I prefer driving over a bye.

 

[Hyper-Dan]

so i just tried this pitstop race on my own...:

started race 30 seconds later than the field...
made pitstop in lap 3 and 7...
i guess you loose about 7 or 8 seconds each pitstop,so about 15/16 seconds for 2...(if field is quick,your 45 seconds behind...)

had pretty clean laps accept on off(+5 seconds)because of an idiot who whas clearly having fun......

the guy who lead the normal race did low 1'40'..laps because when i did a 1'42,6xx he still gained massively!!

so he did a total racetime of 16,48 minutes...and i could't finish because i whas too late at the finishline(more than one minute!1)...



so i am afraid that when most of us are in a battle race,and the guy who is leading the "real" race is very fast(nissan,subaru,clio tuned)we will all have problems finishing our races......

i hope some more of you guys will try this out and see what happends...maybe we have to loose one pitstop,or shorten the 30 seconds whaiting rule??...

what do you lot think....



spyrrari.

I tried this earlier too, on the :10 and :40 times, and I guess I was luckier than you. I also waited for 30, then had 2 pits, passed 3 or 4 really slow people and was gaining on the lead pack of 3. But never caught them. No problem for me running 2 pits. 👍

 

[EDK]

I don't mind a little challenge.....
If it's Ok with JvM and EDK I prefer driving over a bye.

I made the same mistake last week and did not discover it until I was finalizing week 1 last night.

I've left that one up to the driver from the lower class, who was eliminated, and have not heard back from him as to whether or not he wants another chance.

So, as long as you, as the driver in the lower class are OK with it, it will help keep things moving. I'll go ahead and let you guys run. 👍

But I'm not intending to make additional exceptions, Just this one, due to my own error.

 

[MeAgainstYou]

2 pits are cool... i made a pratice run and the 1st guy made 17'00 and i was able to finish after 54seconds.. i know that in some rounds maybe we might not finish the race but thats not a problem... the rules are well made! so... dont change a anything! keep it

 

[AutoAki]

I hope/believe, everybody will come in pit with decent style. I've found now, that coming in, with kamikaze-style saves over almost two seconds from lap you come in + next one.

Other option could be, that way you come in is 'free'. It just is terrible looking if you come in with full throttle and bang to the right side wall.