GTP Race Event 02 - Discussion Thread

[Sphinx]

I hope/believe, everybody will come in pit with decent style. I've found now, that coming in, with kamikaze-style saves over almost two seconds from lap you come in + next one.

Other option could be, that way you come in is 'free'. It just is terrible looking if you come in with full throttle and bang to the right side wall.

Anyone who uses a wall to gain an advantage doesn't belong here.

I've been testing it tonight to see how much advantage can be gained from it and even noticed the odd driver doing it.

Be warned guys. 👍

 

[uk86ze]

Anyone who uses a wall to gain an advantage doesn't belong here.

Be warned guys. 👍

Couldn't agree more.

 

[MeAgainstYou]

I hope/believe, everybody will come in pit with decent style. I've found now, that coming in, with kamikaze-style saves over almost two seconds from lap you come in + next one.

Other option could be, that way you come in is 'free'. It just is terrible looking if you come in with full throttle and bang to the right side wall.

doing that... the "KID" will lose time.. because the speed will down faster! 👎

 

[kart racer]

I have a plan on when to pit, but it is flexable as to not get into pit trouble with the other driver. I can't wait for this one. Working on a race day as I type.

 

[spyrrari]

It's addressed in the race specifics. We're afraid that on a packed grid, less than 30 seconds may not give enough time to get off the track and back to the grid.

• If 10 laps are not possible, then the 60 second countdown will determine the end of the race.
• If the 60 second countdown rule comes into play, the leading car at the end of the countdown will be deemed the winner.

Sphinx and I tested last night, but not in packed or fast fields. I'd definitely suggest racing at off times, to get smaller and hopefully slower fields. And keep in mind, I'm not the fastest driver in this. Sphinx beat me by 13 seconds in our first race.

ok Kevin...fair enough mate...👍

guess i had an exeptionall race than....

keep up the good work:tup:👍



spyrrari.

 

[Paulie]

You're very aware of this, but are others? You highlighted that I have yet to race, but failed to mention the reasons why. If someone who was not aware of the reasons could have wrongly assumed that I've had an easy ride for the last two weeks. As an organiser, I have to ensure that I am seen as squeaky clean. I therefore addressed the possibility of any misunderstanding.

Fair enough.👍 It appears I was the one doing the sinister assuming and I apologise.

Inside the lines is track, so you have to keep at least 2 wheels inside the lines AND avoid contact with the wall.

Thanks
Kevin

Thanks for the answer, I thought it would be like this but had to be sure.

 

[gtbadboy]

Apologies to "Pariaha" ahead of time. I will attempt to contact him and get the race in but I am busy preparing for travel to west coast and I do not expect him to meet my very tight and limited schedule as I fly out on Friday a.m.

Kevin, I'll keep you up to date on this, again my apologies!!

 

[turbomp301]

This is my first GTP race event I have perticipated in and I have to say I am very dissappointed with how it all went. This post is pretty much a vent.

I was paired with GTP_chupaburito (i may have spelled that wrong), who at first seemed like just the competition I was looking for. Our practice races were as clean as they could be and our different car setups were causing some good back and forth action. Then the official race started and it was all down hill from there.

I started on pole and got the lead into the first corner, chupaburito got very aggressive, very early in the race and bumped me during the first lap couple times. I felt like I was racing a completely different person. Then on the last corner of the first lap, he spins out and I assume I got this race won and all I got to do is stay on the track and drive it home.

well, it wasnt that easy, GTP_chupaburito ends the race by exiting the game and then messages me that the race didnt count. It was obvious to me that he ended the race himself. I tried to dispute a rerace with EDK, but I was told that I had to race agian. GTP_chupaburito and I tried to set up another race but never could get online at the same time so I assumed we would both be DQ'd.

Instead, I was DQ'd and chupaburito was allowed to move on to the next round. To me, this is a big injustice and makes me question joining another race event. I became a GTP member to have clean, competitive, fair races and instead I got a horrible experince that was the complete opposite of what I was expecting.

 

[EDK]

This is my first GTP race event I have perticipated in and I have to say I am very dissappointed with how it all went. This post is pretty much a vent.

I was paired with GTP_chupaburito (i may have spelled that wrong), who at first seemed like just the competition I was looking for. Our practice races were as clean as they could be and our different car setups were causing some good back and forth action. Then the official race started and it was all down hill from there.

I started on pole and got the lead into the first corner, chupaburito got very aggressive, very early in the race and bumped me during the first lap couple times. I felt like I was racing a completely different person. Then on the last corner of the first lap, he spins out and I assume I got this race won and all I got to do is stay on the track and drive it home.

well, it wasnt that easy, GTP_chupaburito ends the race by exiting the game and then messages me that the race didnt count. It was obvious to me that he ended the race himself. I tried to dispute a rerace with EDK, but I was told that I had to race agian. GTP_chupaburito and I tried to set up another race but never could get online at the same time so I assumed we would both be DQ'd.

Instead, I was DQ'd and chupaburito was allowed to move on to the next round. To me, this is a big injustice and makes me question joining another race event. I became a GTP member to have clean, competitive, fair races and instead I got a horrible experince that was the complete opposite of what I was expecting.

I received your PM this morning and have not had the opportunity to give you an appropriate response. But the procedure for disputes was called out clearly, up front, in the race specifics for week 1.

Drivers Responsibilities:

All driver pairings are responsible for:

• Arranging (via PM) the date & time for their head to head race.
• Selecting a date & time within the allotted time frame.
• Allocating one driver from each pairings to inform (via PM) the Race Steward, EDK of the the result of the race.
• It is the responsibility of all driver pairings to initially govern themselves in regard to any racing disputes.
• If any racing dispute cannot be resolved then it is the responsibility of both parties to contact the Race Stewards individually by following the race dispute procedure below.
• All disputes must be conducted in a gentlemanly manner and in private.
• The drivers may, at their own discretion, ask another GTP_Tagged driver to act as a 3rd party observer during their race. The drivers would need to mutually agree upon this, and it is not a requirement.

All unresolved racing disputes must follow this procedure:

1. If a racing dispute cannot be resolved privately then as a last resort contact any designated Race Steward with the following information.
2. Name PM subject title 'Racing Dispute'
3. Supply GTP_Tag of drivers concerned.
4. Supply event name
5. Supply Date & time of event
6. Supply Cars driven by drivers
7. Supply full details and any other relevant information relating to the race dispute.

If a race dispute is received, then the Race Stewards will make a decision for both parties involved. All decisions made by the Race Stewards are final, and are not open to appeal at this time.

In good faith, I addressed you concern and provided resolution. However, your initial dispute did not state anything in regard to aggressive driving tactics, only in regard to your concern on the disconnect. I researched the issue and made a ruling. I did consult the other GTP Race Admins and Sphinx prior to making a ruling on this issue.

Time Frame:

• All races must take place no later than February 9th, 2009 at 11:59 pm GMT. You must send a PM to me (EDK) before that date and time.
• If you are unable to make contact with the driver you are paired against, PM me (EDK) with the details within 48 hours of the event deadline.
• Failure to agree a date & time (Or make contact according to the procedure above) before the deadline will result in disqualification.

I asked you to run again. I never heard from YOU again. I DID hear from GTP_Chupacubrito. Therefore, I DQ'd you, as I did in the case of every other racer who missed the deadline and did not contact me according to the procedure above.

I only have one major issue here, and it's that you chose to post this in public, rather than keeping it as a private matter, as requested.

I'll return your PM as soon as I am able, and will ask again that this be kept as a private matter going forward.

 

[turbomp301]

I didnt realize I needed to respond with an "ok" to your ruling. Next time you will definitely get a response from me that says "ok" to whatever ruling you make.

In regard to letting you know we couldn't meet up in time, the 48 hour deadline had already passed by the time we realized we couldnt get it done. We were supposed to race Sunday night but Chupaburito didnt show up, I can't get off work early enough to make the 6 pm deadline. I messaged chupaburito on monday saying that I would try but I probably wouldnt make it. The 48 hour deadline had already passed at that point.

When did chupaburito message you?

This is a GTP members only thread right? and this is discussing Race event 2 right? so why cant I post here. I obviously got I response much faster than I would have otherwise.

 

[EDK]

I didnt realize I needed to respond with an "ok" to your ruling. Next time you will definitely get a response from me that says "ok" to whatever ruling you make.

In regard to letting you know we couldn't meet up in time, the 48 hour deadline had already passed by the time we realized we couldnt get it done. We were supposed to race Sunday night but Chupaburito didnt show up, I can't get off work early enough to make the 6 pm deadline. I messaged chupaburito on monday saying that I would try but I probably wouldnt make it. The 48 hour deadline had already passed at that point.

When did chupaburito message you?

This is a GTP members only thread right? and this is discussing Race event 2 right? so why cant I post here. I obviously got I response much faster than I would have otherwise.

Please read the PM I've sent you. I have no intention of continuing this conversation in the forums, even if this particular forum is only open to registry members.

So I'll be more direct this time - I expect that you will not make another post regarding this matter in the forums. I expect that any further conversation in regard to this matter be kept to PM only.

If you think I personally have treated you unfairly, feel free to contact Sphinx, or any of our other GTP Race Admins.

 

[Sphinx]

turbomp301,
I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad time in your first race. I assure you that we take any disputes very seriously if carried out in the correct manner.

It's however becoming clear that you're having trouble understanding because not only is it stated very clearly in the race thread, but even EDK has only just reminded you to keep all disputes to PM and yet you continue to post.


Please follow the correct procedure.

 

[turbomp301]

not sure what i can and cannot say here. I dont want to be brought down by "the man" here.

I have sent EDK a pm with my opinions

I followed all the procedures fully and this situation still happened. It is what it is and the post was just a vent as I stated.

Its only race event 2, the system isnt perfect yet. and there are plenty more races to go to prove myself as a honest driver.

 

[Sphinx]

not sure what i can and cannot say here. I dont want to be brought down by "the man" here.

I have sent EDK a pm with my opinions

I followed all the procedures fully and this situation still happened. It is what it is and the post was just a vent as I stated.

Its only race event 2, the system isnt perfect yet. and there are plenty more races to go to prove myself as a honest driver.

Your integrity as a driver isn't in question here. What is in question is your refusal to follow the procedures that everyone has to follow.

Just look at the way you have hijacked this thread with your wish to "vent", this is exactly what we try to avoid together with wasting our valuable time dealing with your "vent". Believe it or not, the time I've just spent on your inability to follow instructions I could have processed some more drivers who are desperately waiting to be added to the registry. I guess they will now have to wait a little longer.

Please don't post here again unless you want to discuss anything (on topic) other than your complaint or if you have another desire to vent.

Regards,

The Man.

 

[steven]

I surely hope we don't get to see too much of this stuff in the online events threads in the coming weeks 👎

Hopefully Jerry and Kevin will not be displeased, distracted and disappointed too much to keep up their EXTREMELY good work

 

[Synwraith]

Hey folks,

Just thought I would add my experience to this as well. I ran for about an hour tonight, half of that in free run. Practised getting in and out of the pits. In free run because you don;t get slow-down penalties, you can sail through the pits but in a race you get the slow-down.

I entered one race, and barring a royal-class tankslapper at the last corner on lap 3 I think, it went very smoothly indeed.

GTP_Sauber-F1 (Division 2 Gold) won the race, and I finished 38 seconds behind having made my mandatory 2 pit stops and waited 30 seconds at the start. Sauber didn't stop or wait at the start so it makes for a nice direct comparison.

My best lap was a 1'43.134 in free air and I only caught backmarkers on the final lap of 10. Not much drama at all 👍

This is going to be epic

All the best
Maz

 

[EDK]

I entered one race, and barring a royal-class tankslapper at the last corner on lap 3 I think, it went very smoothly indeed.

My best lap was a 1'43.134 in free air and I only caught backmarkers on the final lap of 10. Not much drama at all 👍

I'm hoping you have one of those tankslappers in our race.

If you're anything close to consistent with those 1:43's, I'm going to have my work cut out.

 

[Jack]

Questions (Ill give situatuions aswell to make it easier to understand)

1. Say both drivers exit the last corners and onto the straight, one behind the other. The driver in the lead starts to move across to the track to access the pitline, the driver behind follows to get the tow. The driver behind followes the guy into front to slipstream him and pulls out in time to aviod contact before the braking zone and carries off down the straight.

Is this allowed?

2. You come out the pits and stay between the white pitlane lines as normal. Looking at you competitor coming down the straight behind it seems you will both apex at the same time. Not doing anything wrong you stay in the white pitlane lines, and rejoining the track when the line run out, you are left to take the corner. Are you allowed to apex as normal and the other racer must allow space, not to turn in on you.... or must you pull up by braking earlier.

Thoughts?

 

[MeAgainstYou]

2. You come out the pits and stay between the white pitlane lines as normal. Looking at you competitor coming down the straight behind it seems you will both apex at the same time. Not doing anything wrong you stay in the white pitlane lines, and rejoining the track when the line run out, you are left to take the corner. Are you allowed to apex as normal and the other racer must allow space, not to turn in on you.... or must you pull up by braking earlier.

Thoughts?

the outsider player must turn if he has the space to do it!

 

[EDK]

Questions (Ill give situatuions aswell to make it easier to understand)

1. Say both drivers exit the last corners and onto the straight, one behind the other. The driver in the lead starts to move across to the track to access the pitline, the driver behind follows to get the tow. The driver behind followes the guy into front to slipstream him and pulls out in time to aviod contact before the braking zone and carries off down the straight.

Is this allowed?

2. You come out the pits and stay between the white pitlane lines as normal. Looking at you competitor coming down the straight behind it seems you will both apex at the same time. Not doing anything wrong you stay in the white pitlane lines, and rejoining the track when the line run out, you are left to take the corner. Are you allowed to apex as normal and the other racer must allow space, not to turn in on you.... or must you pull up by braking earlier.

Thoughts?

1. Is certainly allowed, but somewhat risky. Put it this way - I won't be doing that in my race.

2. The main thing is to give them right of way, and not cut them off by moving into the racing line. If the outside driver establishes significant overlap prior to the turn in point, you each have rights to your side of the track during the corner, from entry through exit. If they have not established overlap before turn in, and turn into you, they would be at fault.

Let me know if that does not answer it.

 

[Anghammarad]

Hey folks,

Just thought I would add my experience to this as well. I ran for about an hour tonight, half of that in free run. Practised getting in and out of the pits. In free run because you don;t get slow-down penalties, you can sail through the pits but in a race you get the slow-down.

I entered one race, and barring a royal-class tankslapper at the last corner on lap 3 I think, it went very smoothly indeed.

GTP_Sauber-F1 (Division 2 Gold) won the race, and I finished 38 seconds behind having made my mandatory 2 pit stops and waited 30 seconds at the start. Sauber didn't stop or wait at the start so it makes for a nice direct comparison.

My best lap was a 1'43.134 in free air and I only caught backmarkers on the final lap of 10. Not much drama at all 👍

This is going to be epic

All the best
Maz

The time limit will probably only be a problem when there are other tagged drivers in Clios or people in bugged Subarus. I had serious problems finishing a race the other day with a STI doing a 16.40 or something equally outrageous while I was held up during the race by untidy backmarkers and I didn't even wait for 30 s at the start.

 

[Synwraith]

I'm hoping you have one of those tankslappers in our race.

If you're anything close to consistent with those 1:43's, I'm going to have my work cut out.

In that case you have nothing to worry about Also I've developed another worrying habit of driving with the brake and accelerator on at the same time, wondering what on Earth is going on, then noticing my left finger is resting on L2 (my brake button).

Wrecked a few laps that way...

All the best
Maz

 

[AutoAki]

Apologises that I'm now littlebit off topic... but I'm trying to solve stewarding issue earlier than too late, cause our race is going to be at time when there is not many racers on line.

Manuelos and me are going to have our second round race at sunday, somewhere between 15.30-16.00 GMT.

I would really appreciated if someone would join to back up us, and ofcourse I'm ready to do same for you... I have option to also record your race. Funny that so less drivers have asked me to tape their races, even I have few times publicly offered that.

I know it makes pressures when youre on cam, but come on guys... you should able to handle that! Racing-video is better than thousand words.


Edit: send PM to me, if youre able to help us. Thanks.

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Round 2 - GTP_DukeOfPendle v GTP_Ardius

The race took place last night, off-schedule timing. There was a small grid of 6 cars including a couple of GTP spectators.
DoP was on pole, but Ardius got the better start and led into the first turn.
At 100R, Ardius suffered a rear slide, managing to avoid going off, but allowing DoP through with a small advantage.
End of Lap 1, DoP took the first pitsop, which allowed Ardius backinto the lead.
End of Lap 2, DoP took the second pitstop - Ardius still leading.
Next lap, Ardius took first pitstop, emerging just ahead of DoP. Ardius slid wide on Turn 1 and allowed DoP to retake the lead.
With another pitstop to take, the win was there for the taking, barring no mistakes by DoP.

Result; Race won by GTP_DukeOfPendle.

Thanks for a good race Ardius, you are a gentleman as always. 👍

 

[Ardius]

Thanks for a good race Ardius, you are a gentleman as always. 👍

That race was riddled with mistakes for me, and none of them were my "normal" mistakes so I'll just put them down to tiredness/pressure or whatever. I was a little bit too eager through turn 2 and overcooked it a couple of times. I couldn't make the gap during the pit stops and I couldn't catch up after my pitstops.
On the plus side, there was no outside distractions and the race was won fair and square so I have no complaints.
Just have to get practicing for the next time!

 

[Synwraith]

Many congratulations Phil on being one of the first to get through to week 3 👍 and best wished to Ardius for future events.

Phil, I reckon with your speed evident from IFTC and WRS, as well as in this tournament, if you manage to triumph in Division 3 overall, you'll be a real threat to the Division 2 winner as well.

All the best
Maz

 

[RacingFreak2k3]

I'm just curious...how do you "spectate" an official GTP race? I guess my question is, as a spectator or steward, are we supposed to follow closely the 2 GTP racers, or just stay stationary at certain parts of the racetrack? I wouldn't mind joining up on a few races just to watch, because I think it would be interesting, but I was just curious as to how this would work since I've never done it. Thanks!

 

[EDK]

I'm just curious...how do you "spectate" an official GTP race? I guess my question is, as a spectator or steward, are we supposed to follow closely the 2 GTP racers, or just stay stationary at certain parts of the racetrack? I wouldn't mind joining up on a few races just to watch, because I think it would be interesting, but I was just curious as to how this would work since I've never done it. Thanks!

You could really do it in any of the ways you have described. If you are trying to follow racers that are as fast as you or faster, it helps to have a faster car than they are driving. The Clio or Suby would be good examples in this combo.

Otherwise, you can wait in an out of the way area, such as the pits (In an area that would not interfere with our pit lane rule. Or off the track, but preferably far enough off and in an area that you would not cause any issues if a driver had an off or something close to one (i.e., be off track, but opposite the racing line).

We have not made it a requirement for this event, but it's certainly encouraged. 👍

Would give you my race time, but I'm using my PAL disk this week.

 

[Ardius]

Following the battle might be distracting, I know I wouldn't enjoy the pressure of having someone watching my every move. I don't mind spectating on the side of the track but I would hate to be shadowed by someone, having a car darting about in my mirrors would be an unecessary distraction.

 

[EDK]

Following the battle might be distracting, I know I wouldn't enjoy the pressure of having someone watching my every move. I don't mind spectating on the side of the track but I would hate to be shadowed by someone, having a car darting about in my mirrors would be an unecessary distraction.

That's why we left it optional this time (Up to the participants). We had an Admin following (Or trying to follow ) most of the races in event 01, but that's not possible in an event of this size.