GTP_Registry Discussion Thread

[Obli]

I thought we weren't allowed to race online with a GTP_ tag until we have successfully passed the registration qualifier?

 

[Vagabond]

I thought we weren't allowed to race online with a GTP_ tag until we have successfully passed the registration qualifier?

There's nothing to stop you racing with your GTP tag, you just can't participate in official GTP events until you're registered. I was registered back before there was a qualifier, then I moved house and was offline for a few months and missed it, so I'm not on the official registry at the mo...

 

[audiobbc]

Tonight sometime. 👍

Sorry for the delay.

cool, I'm not going to procrastinate this time. Thanks for all the hard work Sphinx.👍

 

[Timppaq]

GTP OLR Rules & Guidelines

Read. Understood. Agreed. 👍

Good job, quite thorough & in-depth list of rules!

 

[DaddyVDUB]

Good Job,I Agree.👍

 

[Legendary]

About to look now...

Hate to be a noob, but how do you change the online ID for gt5p?

 

[Vagabond]

You can't change it, you have to make a new one I'm afraid.

So the new qualifier is up and running... New car, new track. I gave it my best shot...

I have a couple of questions though. Since its a different car and a different track, how are you making the comparisons between the new qualifier and the old one as regards division allocation? Or do all existing members have to do the new qualifier and be re-assigned divisions depending on the new time. Just curious.

Anyhoo, best of luck everyone. See you on the track hopefully.

 

[Obli]

Just been doing the qualifier. I disabled my PS3's Internet connection to prevent my best time being uploaded to the online ranking. However, when I checked through my replay, I've noticed that my PSN ID is not displaying in the replay at the start or the end. Is this going to be a problem?

 

[Vagabond]

Yeah I noticed that also... and wondered the same thing.

 

[Sphinx]

Since its a different car and a different track, how are you making the comparisons between the new qualifier and the old one as regards division allocation

The comparisons will be made with great difficulty.


A selection of top drivers from each division will be invited to run the new qualifier and the comparisons will be made from that.

There may also be invites to those drivers who clearly ignored our advice and didn't give it their best shot in the last qualifier, and have thus ended up in the wrong division.

Just been doing the qualifier. I disabled my PS3's Internet connection to prevent my best time being uploaded to the online ranking. However, when I checked through my replay, I've noticed that my PSN ID is not displaying in the replay at the start or the end. Is this going to be a problem?

To be honest, I never checked this. If going Offline means losing the ability of your GTP_Tag being displayed, then so be it. I much rather have everyone Offline. 👍

I'll amend the qualifier to deal with this problem. 👍

I also plan to have a small tutorial showing how to create a new PSN ID, but this may take a while. Unless someone wants to help out?

 

[daan]

To be honest, I never checked this. If going Offline means losing the ability of your GTP_Tag being displayed, then so be it. I much rather have everyone Offline. 👍

We never knew who was running the laps in any previous GT either, so not a big issue.

If someone gets a faster driver to run the qualifier for them, then they'll just get swamped once the proper contests start.

 

[Sphinx]

We never knew who was running the laps in any previous GT either, so not a big issue.

If someone gets a faster driver to run the qualifier for them, then they'll just get swamped once the proper contests start.

Yes. 👍

 

[GTP_DONK]

There may also be invites to those drivers who clearly ignored our advice and didn't give it their best shot in the last qualifier, and have thus ended up in the wrong division

I say don't give them invites ....if they couldn't be bothered to put the time and effort in the frist time round that's their fault, why ''possibly give them another chance?''

 

[Sphinx]

I say don't give them invites ....if they couldn't be bothered to put the time and effort in the frist time round that's their fault, why ''possibly give them another chance''?

My concerns are for those who actually belong in the divisions and have no chance in competing against a driver who should clearly be somewhere else.

Nothing is set in stone, that's why I said "There may also be"

 

[Vagabond]

I say don't give them invites ....if they couldn't be bothered to put the time and effort in the frist time round that's their fault, why ''possibly give them another chance?''

Possibly because they end up thrashing everyone in their division...?

The comparisons will be made with great difficulty.

Hehe. I hear you

A selection of top drivers from each division will be invited to run the new qualifier and the comparisons will be made from that.

Sounds fair.

By tutorial for new PSN ID, you could just point them to the online PS3 manual... or do you want something completely idiot proof with pictures and arrows and circles (and a paragraph on the back of each one saying what each one is and to be used as evidence against us...) ?

 

[Duke of Pendle]

My concerns are for those who actually belong in the divisions and have no chance in competing against a driver who should clearly be somewhere else.

Nothing is set in stone, that's why I said "There may also be"

You would probably need to play the "discretionary division award" card. If someone was sandbagging in the previous qualifier, then he/she would probably do the same in subsequent qualifiers.

 

[GTP_DONK]

My concerns are for those who actually belong in the divisions and have no chance in competing against a driver who should clearly be somewhere else.

Nothing is set in stone, that's why I said "There may also be"

And I said ''possibly give them another chance'' .I'm not looking for an arguement or trying to cause trouble but still if they didn't give it their best and only half arsed it...that's their fault.

I would suggest wait a while untill we have done a few more GTP events and then see how fast ''their'' times are and clearly if they are wiping the floor with the rest of their division by all means move them up.

Sphinx I know you have been organising/involved in loads of events like these over the years and I know you know what you are doing 👍.

This is only my opinion .

 

[Sphinx]

By tutorial for new PSN ID, you could just point them to the online PS3 manual... or do you want something completely idiot proof with pictures and arrows and circles (and a paragraph on the back of each one saying what each one is and to be used as evidence against us...) ?

Yes, something like that.

You would probably need to play the "discretionary division award" card. If someone was sandbagging in the previous qualifier, then he/she would probably do the same in subsequent qualifiers.

I don't think it was a matter of deliberate sandbagging, I think it was more 'sod this, I 'll just put in a time and work my way up the divisions' attitude, and thus completely failing to see the importance of giving it their best shot.

 

[homeforsummer]

Online rules you've just put up are great Sphinx, I'd find it hard to believe if anyone had any misunderstanding with them 👍

 

[Hun200kmh]

Hi Sphinx,

Just read your email and also checked the OLR Rules and Guidelines thread. I don't have exactly any "misunderstanding with them" (as homeforsummer put it), but I have a few questions (and you asked for them to be put in this thread), so here goes:

01.K - When for some reason I want to retire from a race, I usually head for the pits and wait there until the race ends. Sometimes, if I'm curious about the final classification, I park the car in the main straight near the start/finish line, on the grass, facing backwards. Both these attitudes, in my view, comply with this rule. However, if I press "start", as the rule clearly commands, I lose any control of what the car is doing, and it usually begins to move slowly. I'm sure you don't want this, so I'd like you to clarify on what we're supposed to do.

02.B and 03.C - If I nderstand these rules correctly, their subject is the same, but 02.B only says GTP tag use is "expected", and 03.C turns it to "mandatory", with the penalty for disqualification in the event, and exclusion from the registry if this offense is persistently repeated. Maybe it could be more clear if 02.B would be deleted, or if both rules could be merged into one. I have no doubts about this, it's only a (respectfully presented) suggestion.


04.D - Unless we have voice chat, I don't see what kind of signal I can use to indicate to others that I'm going to enter the pitlane (apart from using a different racing line, acording to rule 04.A). Since you have far greater experience than most of us in online racing, could you tell us what kind of behaviour is expected to comply with this rule?

07.D - This rule, probably due to my small online experience, is the only oneIthink I didn't follow until now. When I do a "contact concession", I usually get out of the racing line and then I come to a full stop. Rule noted, I'll do as it is written from now on. Have to ask you, however what to do in a situation like this: last lap at Suzuka, accident exiting Casio, the other car is sent off and I'm on the main straight heading for the start/finish line. If the other car takes a long time to recover, I may have to come to a full stop (to avoid crossing the finish line). Am I allowed to do it?

Hope you can have some time to read this and if possible reply. Anyway, this set of rules is a great work and I thank you for it. 👍

 

[Racer_LP]

Hi Sphinx, I think I may have found a little mistake in the rules:
(please don't kill me if I'm wrong )

14: Recovering from an incident:

B:
In the event that your car turns to a 'ghost car' you assume the responsibility of avoiding hazards at all costs, refer
to 14-B.

Shouldn't this be: refer to 13-B, being:

13: Ghost Cars:

B:
If your car is a ghost car, you take on the responsibilities of the following "Recovering from an incident" and "Re-entering to the track after running off" topics as you are at fault. You also give the correct driving line to the non ghosted cars (taking a turn wide so others can pass on the inside). Do not return to the driving line if possible until your car is back to the normal state.

 

[zed300]

There may also be invites to those drivers who clearly ignored our advice and didn't give it their best shot in the last qualifier, and have thus ended up in the wrong division.

With only the standard F430 at Suzuka qualifier and a tuned AM Corvette event being held so far,how do you decypher which drivers are being elusive to their real pace? Would the different location on a table, be not enough to conclude that a driver is sandbagging,considering car type,track,power and tyres are all different. These specifics,I would imagine,suit different driving styles.


I have read GTP OLR & Guidelines and am in complete agreeance of these.
Well broken done and specific.👍
I will comply.

 

[Numer0bis]

Hi Sphinx,

Just read your email and also checked the OLR Rules and Guidelines thread. I don't have exactly any "misunderstanding with them" (as homeforsummer put it), but I have a few questions (and you asked for them to be put in this thread), so here goes:

01.K - When for some reason I want to retire from a race, I usually head for the pits and wait there until the race ends. Sometimes, if I'm curious about the final classification, I park the car in the main straight near the start/finish line, on the grass, facing backwards. Both these attitudes, in my view, comply with this rule. However, if I press "start", as the rule clearly commands, I lose any control of what the car is doing, and it usually begins to move slowly. I'm sure you don't want this, so I'd like you to clarify on what we're supposed to do.

02.B and 03.C - If I nderstand these rules correctly, their subject is the same, but 02.B only says GTP tag use is "expected", and 03.C turns it to "mandatory", with the penalty for disqualification in the event, and exclusion from the registry if this offense is persistently repeated. Maybe it could be more clear if 02.B would be deleted, or if both rules could be merged into one. I have no doubts about this, it's only a (respectfully presented) suggestion.


04.D - Unless we have voice chat, I don't see what kind of signal I can use to indicate to others that I'm going to enter the pitlane (apart from using a different racing line, acording to rule 04.A). Since you have far greater experience than most of us in online racing, could you tell us what kind of behaviour is expected to comply with this rule?
...

I asked myself the same questions while thoroughly reading the guidelines

 

[DustDriver]

Hi Sphinx, I think I may have found a little mistake in the rules:
(please don't kill me if I'm wrong )
Shouldn't this be: refer to 13-B, being:

You're right. The number changed, the reference didn't.
Same with the reference in rule 10-B

 

[EDK]

01.K - When for some reason I want to retire from a race, I usually head for the pits and wait there until the race ends. Sometimes, if I'm curious about the final classification, I park the car in the main straight near the start/finish line, on the grass, facing backwards. Both these attitudes, in my view, comply with this rule. However, if I press "start", as the rule clearly commands, I lose any control of what the car is doing, and it usually begins to move slowly. I'm sure you don't want this, so I'd like you to clarify on what we're supposed to do.

The main thing we want is for a driver that retires from the race to not interfere with the drivers that remain in the race. We can discuss whether a revision to our language is required to clarify, but that's the intent and expectation.

02.B and 03.C - If I nderstand these rules correctly, their subject is the same, but 02.B only says GTP tag use is "expected", and 03.C turns it to "mandatory", with the penalty for disqualification in the event, and exclusion from the registry if this offense is persistently repeated. Maybe it could be more clear if 02.B would be deleted, or if both rules could be merged into one. I have no doubts about this, it's only a (respectfully presented) suggestion.

Agree these are redundant, but not contradictory. Will discuss whether 02.B should be deleted.

04.D - Unless we have voice chat, I don't see what kind of signal I can use to indicate to others that I'm going to enter the pitlane (apart from using a different racing line, acording to rule 04.A). Since you have far greater experience than most of us in online racing, could you tell us what kind of behaviour is expected to comply with this rule?

Intent is that you would demonstrate, based on your driving line and speed, your intent to enter the pit lane.

07.D - This rule, probably due to my small online experience, is the only oneIthink I didn't follow until now. When I do a "contact concession", I usually get out of the racing line and then I come to a full stop. Rule noted, I'll do as it is written from now on. Have to ask you, however what to do in a situation like this: last lap at Suzuka, accident exiting Casio, the other car is sent off and I'm on the main straight heading for the start/finish line. If the other car takes a long time to recover, I may have to come to a full stop (to avoid crossing the finish line). Am I allowed to do it?

Intent here is to limit interference to drivers not involved in the incident. Avoiding a completely stopped driver, whether or not they are in the racing line, is much more difficult than one moving slowly. You'll also be in better position to get out of the way if you are already moving, as opposed to completely stopped.

As to the final part of your question, you should avoid gaining a position in an effort to follow the rule. The intent of the rule is to be sure the driver gets their position back while causing limited interference. So if by some chance you cause a wreck on the last turn of the last lap, parking to the far left or right of the track would be acceptable. Not sure though, that we need to add anything to the rules on this.

Hope that helps, but let us know if you have other questions. 👍

 

[Christian_C]

Just about to try the qualifier, just wondering why is the clutch on the G25 prohibited?

 

[Obli]

I guess balancing issues will just have to be dealt with, whether that inolves promotions or demotions. On the flip-side, I spent hours on this qualifier and I am pretty happy with my time. Do you think it's also possible for one to qualify higher than they should be i.e. above their general driving abilities by spending hours practising with one car on a small track? Eventually, the time will be a good one.

Anyway, lets say my time on this qualifier reflected my general driving abilities too favourably... I'd gladly be demoted... *note to self* don't underestimate the competition */note*. Some of the current GTP guys put in some unreal times.

Not sure what I'm blabbering on about really. I just want to be placed in the right division / league. Looking forwards to seeing the results.

 

[Vagabond]

Just about to try the qualifier, just wondering why is the clutch on the G25 prohibited?

Correct use of the clutch will give advantage over anyone that doesn't have one. They're just trying to keep it as level and fair as possible.

@Obli... That's what being a race driver is all about, virtual or real; endless practise and set-up tests to shave tiny fractions of seconds off your lap times. If you reach a level after hours of practise with one car and one track, you've found your "talent limit" with it... actually its a very good way of doing the qualifier and you will end up in the right division even if the competition seems daunting. Adapting to new courses and cars is part of the challenge and more hours of practise will bring you up to speed And on it goes.. and on and on.

Its all good fun eh?

 

[Hugo Boss]

01.K - When for some reason I want to retire from a race, I usually head for the pits and wait there until the race ends. Sometimes, if I'm curious about the final classification, I park the car in the main straight near the start/finish line, on the grass, facing backwards. Both these attitudes, in my view, comply with this rule. However, if I press "start", as the rule clearly commands, I lose any control of what the car is doing, and it usually begins to move slowly. I'm sure you don't want this, so I'd like you to clarify on what we're supposed to do.

Good point. Just make sure you park the car on a place where this movement won't cause any troubles. Far from the track, somewhere in te pitlane or as you mentioned backwards on the grass on the main straight are suitable places.

We will add some lines that cover the movement issue.

04.D - Unless we have voice chat, I don't see what kind of signal I can use to indicate to others that I'm going to enter the pitlane (apart from using a different racing line, acording to rule 04.A). Since you have far greater experience than most of us in online racing, could you tell us what kind of behaviour is expected to comply with this rule?

EDK already stated what you should do. What you shouldn't do is, for example at Fuji: drive on the far left side of the track and dive to the right as soon as you reached the pit entrance. You could have people driving next to you and cause a collision. This rule is not included to line out how you should enter the pitlane, but how you shouldn't enter it.
I hope this all clear things up for you.

Thank you for your useful comments 👍

 

[Nicksfix]

Sphinx,Please explain to me were I went out of bounds on a comment or whatever ,as so it don't happen again , thanks . I searched but did not see.