GTP_Registry Discussion Thread

[Twissy]

Merry Christmas everyone! Hope everyone is having a good one! Feel like a fat ass with the turkey and stuffing I have consumed

 

[ginjaninja]

Merry Christmas to all
All the best

 

[ConRollins]

¡Feliz Navidad from the Southwest everyone.

 

[LittlePaul78]

Merry Christmas everyone.

Yesterday I spent 30 minutes trying to beat my PB around Willow Springs, but was getting no-where so I took my dog for a walk. Came back, did one lap and was -0.3 up on my PB. That's how I roll.

 

[poolhaas]

Got my first smooth lap on Brands Hatch! Reckon I might shave of 3 or 4 tenths on the next few days.

Now, back to the Megane.

 

[JoostBaksteen]

Hey @poolhaas Good to see you here, and great pic!

/edit: btw cool photo's on your Flickr as well

I really want to visit the ring sometime soon as well, but should get a car that I can properly drive there first

But I think I'll just go there to the 'Rad am ring' first, I want to go there next year for the cycling contest around the ring, 150KM. I'd LOVE to do that.

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

Right I know Admins are tired of answering questions regarding legality of tyres, but I need clarification that a car is legal if it has two tyres on the track (inside the inner part of the white line) at any time; even if it is not the majority of the tyre (>50%) that is on the track?

My case isn't particularly borderline if you don't have to have two tyres with at least 50% of their width on the track at any given time.

If my understanding of the rules is correct then I'm done with Willow because I just absolutely nuked it.

 

[JoostBaksteen]

The rules state clearly:

At least two tires in contact with track at all times.

So that's > 0%, although we won't really like that as it takes a very considerate amount of verifying, but > 50% is fine.

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

The rules state clearly:



So that's > 0%, although we won't really like that as it takes a very considerate amount of verifying, but > 50% is fine.

Thanks. I know it's a pain to check but this is a consequence of running a track like this where corners are extremely irregular and you have to cut.

I don't actually think any of the three tyres I'm talking about are ever illegal. If they are though there's always two others somewhere else that it's easy to see are fine

 

[EDK]

Thanks. I know it's a pain to check but this is a consequence of running a track like this where corners are extremely irregular and you have to cut.

I don't actually think any of the three tyres I'm talking about are ever illegal. If they are though there's always two others somewhere else that it's easy to see are fine

As long as 2 tires are easy to see as fine, we are good. It's where someone decides they want to have half a millimeter of 2 tires on track while the other 2 are off that makes it a pain.

When we start literally splitting hairs (which has happened) it can be highly frustrating for everyone involved.

 

[Speedy6543]

Thanks. I know it's a pain to check but this is a consequence of running a track like this where corners are extremely irregular and you have to cut.

I don't actually think any of the three tyres I'm talking about are ever illegal. If they are though there's always two others somewhere else that it's easy to see are fine

Be 100% sure. Check, double check, triple check and check it again. Watch your replay with chase cam and hold R1 so you look back to your car, this way you'll see your fronts much better and at moments when it gets close, do the check thingy I mentioned.

 

[CSLACR]

First off, Merry Christmas all! (or happy holidays, doesnt matter to me)

Late to the party again...

Late or not, I feel this needs saying, so I'm going to say it... and not aiming in any particular direction other than generally at anyone who deems it necessary to try and blow holes in what we've judged to be an apt test of varied abilities.

I find it slightly ironic that someone from D1 Silver (GT5) thinks they're justified in aiming such an attack, citing the game's physics limitations as good cause for that. This is what we have to work with and, imperfect as it may be, the Renault/Willow Springs combo represents a test of ability just like any other combo. If you choose to 'toss the dummy' because it isn't as much fun as you'd like and you intend your WRS career to consist of weeks in which we're running something that suits your tastes, then that's fair enough. What is not fair enough is openly spouting off about it.

That said, I find it surprising that anyone with that level of skill would not want to rise to the challenge of a difficult combo, no matter what its limitations are. "Under-steer isn't fun" "The game's FF physics are broken" We seem to have a running fashion of moaning about anything and everything that doesn't fit into our own little preference window. Truth be told, I don't like under-steer, I'm not sure the physics are modelled correctly but I'm sure as hell going to give it my best shot and spend probably a good deal of time working through the technique necessary to squeeze everything I can out of it. I hated it when I first tested it in all honesty and was ready to dismiss it as a qualifier combo but, partly inspired by some stubborn impulse not to give up, I ran it again and again until I started to feel a rhythm and, in turn, began to see the value it had in presenting a test of skill quite in opposition to the M3 GT; exactly what we wanted from the qualifier.

In this instance it does seem to be faster guys that are calling the Willow combo out. Why? And don't say its because the physics are wrong.... What do you want from the WRS? To qualify high up in the ether of D1, to run the occasional combo when it suits you, finish in the top 10, then disappear again for weeks, months.... never run again? Great, good for you. No offence but the WRS is not just for you. We have a core of members that run in lower divisions, who nonetheless give it their all week in week out, trying every combo no matter the test of track or drivetrain, testing themselves, learning, adapting, and still having fun without ever complaining or trying to pick holes in the game or in our choice of events. These people are the heart of WRS, not the handful of D1 drivers who sporadically turn up hoping for a podium.

No matter what your skill level, though, each event and particularly the qualifier, should challenge you in some way. Competing in these events is as much a test against yourself as it is against the other competitors so instead of poking holes in it, why don't you take a deep breath and spend the next 3 weeks doing the best job you can with the tools we have and look forward to some good competition when the weekly events begin in earnest.

Sorry, I know it's Christmas but I have to address this. (particularly the BOLD)
Disclaimer: (I'm not griping about any combo here, just pointing out how the WRS admin team has been saying "**** you" to everyone that suggest they do something different since I can remember.
I think the attendance count weekly shows how far that goes though.

You guys (the whole WRS team at GTP) DO understand that most of the "fast drivers" disappear for 3 reasons:
1. It's usually a 2-5 man competition for D1.
2. Most of us would like to race, this homemade TT stuff you're specifically referring to is not for serious players anymore. It's just not.
3. GT online racing came out in 2006, you guys didn't start hosting any real regular races at all until 2011/2012.

Lastly, the group that sticks around and etc, etc, is the group of people that like it. Of course they like it. They wouldn't have stuck around if they didn't. If they like it, why would they complain about it?

Lastly, if the GTP WRS(and everything involved) is going to continue to stay homemade time trials every week with nothing more going on than has in previous GT titles, I'm not even submitting a qualifier. There's just absolutely no reason.
What? I just want to "see how I stack up"? GTA bro.


If this offends the WRS admin team, well that shows half the problem in itself. I'm not bashing you guys, but you have an exceptional history of telling people to go away if they don't like it. (and 99% of them did)

 

[WRP001]

Dom,

Not sure what you mean by "homemade" as that could mean a lot of things. Maybe since you used it twice you can clarify before any of us respond on that point.

It's true, the WRS didn't offer regular online events until 2011, but I think since that time we've offered some pretty cool events and some of the best organized on GTPlanet. Championship series using F1 cars, GT3 cars, mixed class enduros, team competitions, parity races, academy events, etc. I would say our niche is not getting stuck in any niche and not focusing our attention on any particular class of driver: new or veteran, fast or slow, young or old. There are many fine groups hosting series at GTP that focus on a single car and GP tracks or a specific theme or a specific set of drivers. So if you want to run a GT500 series take your pick and enjoy.

Our goal is to touch on every aspect of the game and rotate what we offer: original tracks, real world tracks, city tracks, even dirt tracks; race cars, sports cars, road cars; FR, FF, MR, AWD drivetrains. Even the occasional fiat. Not every event will appeal to every driver and it's not necessary to participate every week. But if someone participates over a period of time the series will allow them to enjoy almost all aspect of this game and in my opinion leverage the strength of Gran Turismo. If that is considered "homemade" then I guess we qualify.

I don't think our participation numbers do anything but reflect the general usage of the game and the forum. You can expect high attendance when the game is first released and that participation will naturally drop over time as some drivers move on and the stalwarts and addicts are left. I'd say the participation numbers in our online events completely reflected activity on the site... spiking during the build up to GT Academy and dropping off after. If you look at visits to the forum a whole I'm sure the correlations between site traffic and participation is quite high, however there will always be combos that appeal to the masses and those that appeal more to a specific preference. We enjoy the variety.

 

[poolhaas]

Hey @poolhaas Good to see you here, and great pic!

/edit: btw cool photo's on your Flickr as well

I really want to visit the ring sometime soon as well, but should get a car that I can properly drive there first

But I think I'll just go there to the 'Rad am ring' first, I want to go there next year for the cycling contest around the ring, 150KM. I'd LOVE to do that.

Thanks 👍 glad you like the flickr photos.

You don't need a fast car to visit the Ring.

On topic: Megane is frustrating me at the moment, better luck tomorrow.

 

[JoostBaksteen]

Thanks 👍 glad you like the flickr photos.

You don't need a fast car to visit the Ring.

On topic: Megane is frustrating me at the moment, better luck tomorrow.

Haha, true, I guess my 2L Saab 9-3 Turbo coupe (automatic) would manage just fine... and if I'm going to the ring to cycle i'm pretty sure i'll take the Saab for a drive the day after if that's possible. Although I think i'd rather drive there in my previous car, an old Mazda 323 trasher Did that on Zandvoort, reach the strait at 120Kph, get passed by Fiat 500's, WTF!! Oh. I enter the first corner at only 140Kph... Ok, maybe the Saab is better

The Megane is quite a handfsull, I improved my PB with 2 seconds in my second stint, today. Try to be gentle, and maybe even run with TC on (5 or so) if you're having too much problems with understeering (or am I saying too much now? ) to get a feeling on how to control the car. Turn it off afterwards as it kills your speed though

 

[poolhaas]

Although I think i'd rather drive there in my previous car, an old Mazda 323 trasher Did that on Zandvoort, reach the strait at 120Kph, get passed by Fiat 500's, WTF!! Oh. I enter the first corner at only 140Kph... Ok, maybe the Saab is better

The Megane is quite a handfsull, I improved my PB with 2 seconds in my second stint, today. Try to be gentle, and maybe even run with TC on (5 or so) if you're having too much problems with understeering (or am I saying too much now? ) to get a feeling on how to control the car. Turn it off afterwards as it kills your speed though

Yeah, you can say understeer is the problem for me.
It's hard to get the right amount of throttle with my DS3, still working on that.

 

[Vagabond]

If this offends the WRS admin team, well that shows half the problem in itself.

It wouldn't cause offence because it was offensive of course. Nor even because it was meant to cause offence, cos that would just be mental.... and paranoid.

Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself...

Watch where you're pointing that thing, Dom, you'll have someone's eye out.

Lastly, if the GTP WRS(and everything involved) is going to continue to stay homemade time trials every week with nothing more going on than has in previous GT titles, I'm not even submitting a qualifier. There's just absolutely no reason.

Ooh hang on, I've got an idea...!

No, sorry, false alarm. As you were.

Merry Christmas everyone. If anything exciting is likely to happen, I'll come and wake you ok?

:eggnog:

 

[oink83]

2. Most of us would like to race, this homemade TT stuff you're specifically referring to is not for serious players anymore. It's just not.
3. GT online racing came out in 2006, you guys didn't start hosting any real regular races at all until 2011/2012.

I don't quite understand where you are coming from with this one? Are you saying that people don't participate because the WRS doesn't do online racing? But then you clarify that there is online racing on offer? And yet...I don't think I've seen you in a WRS online race more than a couple of times since I've been here...

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

Just bettered my time on brands but know there a few places for improvement..its coming

 

[oink83]

Just bettered my time on brands but know there a few places for improvement..its coming

All this talk of improvement is getting me itchy too! Haven't been able to start mine yet. Will hopefully get cracking this weekend if everything goes to plan

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

All this talk of improvement is getting me itchy too! Haven't been able to start mine yet. Will hopefully get cracking this weekend if everything goes to plan

Well i'm certainly learning to drive without SRF, just aint got a clue where i stand lol

Got my first smooth lap on Brands Hatch! Reckon I might shave of 3 or 4 tenths on the next few days.

Now, back to the Megane.

Cool pic that!

 

[EDK]

First off, Merry Christmas all! (or happy holidays, doesnt matter to me)



Sorry, I know it's Christmas but I have to address this. (particularly the BOLD)
Disclaimer: (I'm not griping about any combo here, just pointing out how the WRS admin team has been saying "**** you" to everyone that suggest they do something different since I can remember.
I think the attendance count weekly shows how far that goes though.

You guys (the whole WRS team at GTP) DO understand that most of the "fast drivers" disappear for 3 reasons:
1. It's usually a 2-5 man competition for D1.
2. Most of us would like to race, this homemade TT stuff you're specifically referring to is not for serious players anymore. It's just not.
3. GT online racing came out in 2006, you guys didn't start hosting any real regular races at all until 2011/2012.

Lastly, the group that sticks around and etc, etc, is the group of people that like it. Of course they like it. They wouldn't have stuck around if they didn't. If they like it, why would they complain about it?

Lastly, if the GTP WRS(and everything involved) is going to continue to stay homemade time trials every week with nothing more going on than has in previous GT titles, I'm not even submitting a qualifier. There's just absolutely no reason.
What? I just want to "see how I stack up"? GTA bro.


If this offends the WRS admin team, well that shows half the problem in itself. I'm not bashing you guys, but you have an exceptional history of telling people to go away if they don't like it. (and 99% of them did)

Yes, the game platform clearly offered simple options for hosting online events prior to the release of GT5. Loads of people were doing it.

Like...........Us. We waited until 2011/2012, except that we hosted major events starting in 2009. But I guess you are an expert on our history, and a lot of people were running online events on Prologue. Please point out to me who hosted major online racing events on a Pre-GT5 Platform.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtp_race-event-02-week-1-specifics.114097/

TBH, we are not interested in whether or not "the fast drivers" show up. We are interested in overall attendance and participation. I would like to have you point out to me the non PD organized online event or series that attracts more participation with the same consistency as we do. If it exists, great. We probably have something to learn. I'm not aware of which series that is, so please let me know.

Being direct, I've never had a problem with you, so I'm not sure what your problem is with me. Knowing that I've been the main TT admin since you've participated, you must have one. You've pointed out several perceived issues here, but I'm not sure how grounded they are.

It's certainly difficult to simply bow to every single request put forth by a member. If it's simply that we would not listen to your individual requests, that's understandable. But I have to believe there's more to this.

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

Improved again, but as per can better it

 

[Windy_1238]

Whats all all the bitching about?

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

Be 100% sure. Check, double check, triple check and check it again. Watch your replay with chase cam and hold R1 so you look back to your car, this way you'll see your fronts much better and at moments when it gets close, do the check thingy I mentioned.

I'll be sure to check, but I checked many times last night to make sure. As I say, now that the rules are clear about how much tire is required on track I'm happy with it. What I meant was that one of my rear tyres may become illegal or it may not (I'm yet to find a shot of it off track) but it's irrelevant nonetheless because by the time it could be illegal the front tyres are both on the track anyway.

 

[DTM]

Yes, the game platform clearly offered simple options for hosting online events prior to the release of GT5. Loads of people were doing it.

Like...........Us. We waited until 2011/2012, except that we hosted major events starting in 2009. But I guess you are an expert on our history, and a lot of people were running online events on Prologue. Please point out to me who hosted major online racing events on a Pre-GT5 Platform.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gtp_race-event-02-week-1-specifics.114097/

I don't want to get involved in this conversation. But that was a great event, i remember it as if it where yesterday. And nice to see those familiar names scrolling down the thread. Walk down memory lane

 

[ginjaninja]

Hi All
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. On Brands Hatch can you cross the pit exit line going in to the first downhill corner as the line is in the middle of the track. Sorry if it's been covered before but have had a look and can't seem to find any mention of it and just need to know before I have a good go at the qualifier.
Thanks in advance.
All the best.

 

[Speedy6543]

Hi All
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. On Brands Hatch can you cross the pit exit line going in to the first downhill corner as the line is in the middle of the track. Sorry if it's been covered before but have had a look and can't seem to find any mention of it and just need to know before I have a good go at the qualifier.
Thanks in advance.
All the best.

I need to check that on track. Honestly I haven't even noticed that the pitlane exit lines went so far so I'm probably driving past it as well.
I'll only be able to check that this evening though.

 

[ginjaninja]

No problems, thanks for your reply, only asked as I have had a few goes and without thinking have cut the line on all of them lol
all the best

 

[markyboy92]

Hi All
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. On Brands Hatch can you cross the pit exit line going in to the first downhill corner as the line is in the middle of the track. Sorry if it's been covered before but have had a look and can't seem to find any mention of it and just need to know before I have a good go at the qualifier.
Thanks in advance.
All the best.

You wouldn't want to anyway as per the racing line really but it's fine