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[CSLACR]

Nice one MONSTAR-1! Appreciate the Uploads 👍

Oh, and no problem! (tree'd)

GTP_CSL vs MONSTAR-1
Nice pass Clean as far as im concern 👍

Changing paint (side by side touching) is inevitable, but anything close to using your competitor's car as a guard rail is not acceptable.

BORTECH vs RamStig
Looks like lag was a factor here. Although i'm not too certain if it was from you (MONSTAR-1) or from the drivers in the video. Frame rate seemed to drop during the Lap 40 pass (right after Ramstig gets off the corner and comes into contact with BORTECH). Everything else looks clean - and a perfect example of what a driver should do if you 'accidentally' punt a driver and gain a position as a result. Give the position back!

RamStig had some very small bits of lag, but certainly nothing unraceable or hard to drive around. I believe my replay looks a little less laggy for RamStig then Monstar's too.

I would like to tackle the rules on a few things...
Starting - Pole sitter chooses side or sticking to pole must take inside? IMO it should be pole sitters choice, but either works, just something I wasn't sure if had changed previously and not been updated.

Also Starting - Obviously the last cars need to clear the last turn, but IMO, they need a few seconds to be able to line up properly and get into position. Obviously up front we could have been in position, but I'm speaking more towards the back, we can't drive through hairpins in formation, so I feel we should add something to it, or simply say the leader can't start until start line, something like that. Just something to make sure people have enough time to get into position, no matter where it may be in the field.

 

[Masi_23]

I have the P1 on the inside lane as it minimizes the complication of procedures. Also, since P1 is ahead of P2 (staggered), technically, he has the whole width of the track to work with.

Hmmmm... this would be track dependent. The only one that i can see this being a problem is Nurb GP. Any else?

 

[CSLACR]

I have the P1 on the inside lane as it minimizes the complication of procedures. Also, since P1 is ahead of P2 (staggered), technically, he has the whole width of the track to work with.

Hmmmm... this would be track dependent. The only one that i can see this being a problem is Nurb GP. Any else?

I think it's either pole sitter takes inside, or pole sitter chooses. That simple to me. I would allow the pole sitter to choose, because he earned it imo.

As for tracks and starting lines, I was just using the start line as an example, just saying I don't think the guys in the rear had time to properly align, I could be wrong.
My personal issue for my late start was not being able to see RamStig, and I wasn't watching for a start yet, because the front 2 were still single file. So what I'm saying is, this doesn't affect the front half of the field, it's for the guys in back that would probably prefer to be able to line up before it starts.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Isn't that going a bit far?

I'm curious, so I'm going to bump this for an answer.

 

[CSLACR]

I'm curious, so I'm going to bump this for an answer.

I'm positive GTPlanet doesn't want to be sponsoring a bicker fest filled with people violating the AUP because they're angry if that's what you mean.

I think it adds a level of responsibility for people competing to expect more professionalism be demanded of them, and that's probably a good thing me thinks.
Better to put the hammer down the first time then let it happen a couple times hoping it will stop, because it won't. Mark my words, someone will probably get an infraction this season, and that will be when people take it more seriously. It's very unfortunate if it does need to come to that though.

 

[CodeRedR51]

While I agree with you, a warning from the series admin should be plenty. I think bringing Jordan into it is a bit too much.

 

[CSLACR]

While I agree with you, a warning from the series admin should be plenty. I think bringing Jordan into it is a bit too much.

I think the point was more that Jordan has sponsored the series, so he probably wants to see good things, and may make future decisions about sponsoring series based on how this plays out.
I've seen him viewing a few times myself. I think between series admins, and possibly a moderator or two, everything will be covered though.👍

 

[BlacqueJacques]

I think it's either pole sitter takes inside, or pole sitter chooses. That simple to me. I would allow the pole sitter to choose, because he earned it imo.

As for tracks and starting lines, I was just using the start line as an example, just saying I don't think the guys in the rear had time to properly align, I could be wrong.
My personal issue for my late start was not being able to see RamStig, and I wasn't watching for a start yet, because the front 2 were still single file. So what I'm saying is, this doesn't affect the front half of the field, it's for the guys in back that would probably prefer to be able to line up before it starts.

My 2 cents for what it's worth from a back marker

I was at the back of the grid and the cars immediately in front (positions 6 & 7) stopped after turn 2-3; it took us almost the whole lap to catch up and the cars in front of me were not in formation after the last turn so it was a scramble.

Perhaps (only) the host should use a mic to instruct drivers?, as typing may be too awkward while driving at same time . I use a mic (which I mute) when I online race as I can not type and drive
Best of luck with the series 👍

 

[CSLACR]

My 2 cents for what it's worth from a back marker

I was at the back of the grid and the cars immediately in front (positions 6 & 7 stopped after turn 2-3; it took us almost the whole lap to catch up and the cars in front of me were not in formation after the last turn so it was a scramble.

Perhaps (only) the host should use a mic to instruct drivers as typing may be too awkward while driving at same time

Best of luck with the series 👍

That's pretty much what I thought happened. I knew it took a while to catch up, I was really only concerned with the start itself, and it looked like some people were trailing trying to line up, cause you can't go through that turn easily in proper grid. Possibly a trailing affect from the front lineup too though.
Mics are out, pole decides when to start, between appropriate starting spots. I think a simple communication that the pole must wait after they clear the last turn to give them a few seconds to line up is all we really need here.

You were very slow out there, I'm not going to lie to you, but between improving and GT300 you might be able to find yourself doing better very quickly. Every single driver that's completed a season of any series has improved that I've seen to date.
I recommend thinking about it before you fully commit to quitting.👍

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Being 3 laps down was obvious enough, no need to tell me the obvious I was nervous too

I said in another thread I was embarrased Saturday

Would you confirm whether tuning of any car settings were allowed in the Pre-season race (2 - NTSC) Saturday; my gearing (top speed) for example was default for me (not good for Laguna Seca IMO); was it the same for everybody-no tuning of any settings except brakes and max aero downforce?

I did not see an answer in the series FAQ's, thanks

 

[paulmac2k9]

Blacque all the pre season and WSGTC races are full tuning it was only the qualifier that was no tuning! .

 

[CSLACR]

Being 3 laps down was obvious enough, no need to tell me the obvious I was nervous too

I said in another thread I was embarrased Saturday

Would you confirm whether tuning of any car settings were allowed in the Pre-season race (2 - NTSC) Saturday; my gearing (top speed) for example was default for me (not good for Laguna Seca IMO); was it the same for everybody-no tuning of any settings except brakes and max aero downforce?

I did not see an answer in the series FAQ's, thanks

Of course, I actually answered it already. 👍

You may change any suspension, LSD, brake balance, and transmission settings you please. Aero is max front and rear.
Hopefully that helps you next week.

So yes, you can change any tuning settings that do not affect the PP rating of the car.
You ARE allowed to run lower then max aero, but if you choose to do so, you may not make up the PP difference by adding HP.
The only restricted things are as follows:
HP
Weight
PP
Power adders.

If it says turbo stage 2, no oil change, power limiter at 97.2%, then that's what you must run, etc.

Suspension, Transmission, LSD, Brake Balance, and even ABS settings are free to change however you like.👍

 

[will-i-am]

The problem with the back of the field on Sat. NTSC GT500 race was that the two guys in front of me did not go. 1 in the bathroom, I think was said and the other must have had a black screen for 10 seconds. I was in p7, p5 rolled back into me and p6 didnt start till the leaders were past turn 2. This is why the back of the field had to catch up.

I did not want to pass them and be accused of not following procedure. What should we do?
I didn't say anything cause I thought it got sorted out ok.

Anyone find out what happen to Alien, Did he drop connection?

 

[cicua]

I have the P1 on the inside lane as it minimizes the complication of procedures. Also, since P1 is ahead of P2 (staggered), technically, he has the whole width of the track to work with.

Hmmmm... this would be track dependent. The only one that i can see this being a problem is Nurb GP. Any else?

Suzuka also has P1 on outside, probably because it is the better position. IMHO we should stick with it, and avoid complications of switching sides.

 

[MONSTAR-1]

The problem with the back of the field on Sat. NTSC GT500 race was that the two guys in front of me did not go. 1 in the bathroom, I think was said and the other must have had a black screen for 10 seconds. I was in p7, p5 rolled back into me and p6 didnt start till the leaders were past turn 2. This is why the back of the field had to catch up.

I did not want to pass them and be accused of not following procedure. What should we do?
I didn't say anything cause I thought it got sorted out ok.

Anyone find out what happen to Alien, Did he drop connection?

Err guilty here. I had to make a quick toilet stop. But when I got back the cars had already left. But we all caught up to the leader before the cork screew so all good I suppose.

IMO I think if the pole man elects to start from the oppersite side of the grid then what is normal then it also effects everyone else and people may not remember to switch sides when the Rae starts.

 

[paulmac2k9]

We never had this problem last season IRC we allways had the leader start on the inside with no confusion.

 

[CSLACR]

Suzuka also has P1 on outside, probably because it is the better position. IMHO we should stick with it, and avoid complications of switching sides.

But if the outside is better, then why not always outside?
If we're going to choose a side that's fine with me, but I think it should be either inside or outside, I really don't think it matters which.
I don't agree with "left" or "right" side, because then sometimes it's inside and others out. That I can see might confuse people.

 

[NEPALII]

Can't the leader just choose the side and then everyone lines up according to what side the leader picks? While the leader is on the straight, he/she(who knows ) can just pick the side and then the remaining drivers adjust their positions.

 

[OK8]

It should be on the optimal driving line, so let the leader make that decision.

 

[MONSTAR-1]

It also starts with the 2nd car. Why wasn't BORTECH by RamStigs side when they were approaching the start line? Or was he trying to gain a draft into turn 1? This guy was a real racer yea? So he of all people should know better.

 

[MONSTAR-1]

It should be on the optimal driving line, so let the leader make that decision.

The optimal driving line is the side that pole is on. Which is the side where the game puts you when in pole.

 

[CSLACR]

The optimal driving line is the side that pole is on. Which is the side where the game puts you when in pole.

On a semi-related note...
With these live qualifyers we're actually starting the race without having to shuffle the order for the outlap.
A thought for season races, is have everyone park on track in order before starting the race, so shuffling isn't needed, hence risking the chance of damage before start, among other issues.

 

[ramstig]

I personally dont have problem with that "pole sitter". But you guys are real men! Now I learn a lot from the discussion about "inside line or outside line".

 

[paulmac2k9]

Monstar on Neps dads racing comment, I believe they did standing starts in the races he competed and won in so rolling start could be a little alien to him maybe..?

 

[doctsuru_69]

You were very slow out there, I'm not going to lie to you, but between improving and GT300 you might be able to find yourself doing better very quickly. Every single driver that's completed a season of any series has improved that I've seen to date.
I recommend thinking about it before you fully commit to quitting.👍

Agree with you on that.👍

To those who believe they are “slow” drivers (like me ) and are contemplating on quitting (before even trying) re-examine your goal/purpose of joining this series. If your goal is to just to WIN, then don’t waste your time in Season 3 ‘cause you’ll just get frustrated. But if your goal is to experience the FUN of (simulation) driving and get thrilled with the dynamic nature of on-line racing, then you might want to reconsider and stick with us in this series.

You want to improve your driving skills too? Here’s my story… When I first joined this series since (half way through) season 1, I was driving like a snail… well, I’m a turtle now! My point is, if you want to improve your driving style you join the company of good/fast and clean drivers (just look at the steward list—skip my name for now) and those qualities will just follow.

When I first joined this series I felt so insecure and intimidated for the following reasons—I was the oldest and slowest in the group and I was the only one living on the other side of the globe. I have no one to practice with since the rest of the drivers where asleep when I turn on my PS3 (I only knew one or two who plays GT5 in the Philippines but they don’t have the luxury of time like I have). Imagine pushing your aging body to wake up at 2 in the morning just to race with a bunch of high octane kids. They were bullying me (in a clean and professional manner) but I did not quit because I enjoyed what I was doing-- this is something new and exciting my generation was deprived of. Another thing that made me stay was the friendly nature of this league, the admins and stewards in particular, and not to mention the founder of WSGTC who carries the Philippine flag also.

Well, I won’t keep it long. My advice to new comers, don’t put too much pressure on yourself. ENJOY what you’re doing but don’t act STUPID. Read the OP and know the rules and you’ll never go wrong. You don’t need to read the whole thread, it’s there for the purpose of discussing issues and expressing yourself (in a civil and tempered manner) but everything is in the OP (I remember the first time I read it, I had to ask Denilson what OP means, lol). But I read the entire thread ‘cause I want to know the personality of each driver.

My word of advice for those who feel nervous and intimidated about the qualifying— it doesn’t matter if you TRY AND FAIL, it does matter if you FAIL TO TRY.

 

[NEPALII]

It also starts with the 2nd car. Why wasn't BORTECH by RamStigs side when they were approaching the start line? Or was he trying to gain a draft into turn 1? This guy was a real racer yea? So he of all people should know better.

Unecessary comment, but since you don't know racing so much as I can see, Im going to explain it to you. Stig was supposed to only start accelarating by the time he reached the start/finish line not on the middle of the grid. That's how rolling starts work. The cars move to the sides once they reach the grid, which is what my dad was going to do, but Stig just started right away. Who should know better is Stig, not my dad.

 

[NEPALII]

This was just preseason, hopefully all these issues will be gone by the time we start the full season. To be honest, there weren't these issues on Season 2. I guess that's what happens when you try to bring too much people.

 

[CSLACR]

Unecessary comment, but since you don't know racing so much as I can see, Im going to explain it to you. Stig was supposed to only start accelarating by the time he reached the start/finish line not on the middle of the grid. That's how rolling starts work. The cars move to the sides once they reach the grid, which is what my dad was going to do, but Stig just started right away. Who should know better is Stig, not my dad.

Bortech had plenty of time to move left, he did not.
RamStig by OP rules should have been on the left side.
RamStig went unfashionably early, but within the listed rules.

None of it's a big deal, because it's preseason and this type of thing is exactly what we want to iron out.

What we need to bother with is whether or not those rules need a re-wording or additions.
(Pole position's side of track)
(How soon is to soon to go)

This was just preseason, hopefully all these issues will be gone by the time we start the full season. To be honest, there weren't these issues on Season 2. I guess that's what happens when you try to bring too much people.

You entered halfway through season 2.
We'll see how it is halfway through season 3, rather then compare a single preseason race that was 99% excellent to the latter half of season 2 once everybody was comfy. TBH I've enjoyed both preseason races more then most season 2 races. There have been LESS hiccups and restarts.

 

[NEPALII]

Bortech had plenty of time to move left, he did not.
RamStig by OP rules should have been on the left side.
RamStig went unfashionably early, but within the listed rules.

None of it's a big deal, because it's preseason and this type of thing is exactly what we want to iron out.

What we need to bother with is whether or not those rules need a re-wording or additions.
(Pole position's side of track)
(How soon is to soon to go)

He was in the middle, I think . I seriously have bad feelings about this season after reading all these posts. There are so many issues to be solved and with this amount of people it's hard. That's why I dropped out of the host list. Even you CSL, took long to get the race started. I just hope everything is solved and if it's needed to delay the start of the season to solve issues, so be it.

I want to race fair, if I just start racing as if it's a mandatory thing and not enjoying it like on PURE, then I'm quitting. I'm confident we will be able to sort things out and run the season as smooth as butter.