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[MONSTAR-1]

Unecessary comment, but since you don't know racing so much as I can see, Im going to explain it to you. Stig was supposed to only start accelarating by the time he reached the start/finish line not on the middle of the grid. That's how rolling starts work. The cars move to the sides once they reach the grid, which is what my dad was going to do, but Stig just started right away. Who should know better is Stig, not my dad.

Your dad should have made it a priority to get up along side RamStig straight after the final corner.

Don't think for 1 minute that just because your dad was a race driver that you have the right to suggest that you know everything about racing. Blinded attitude you have there Nep. Just for the record how old are you? I'm 34 so chances are I've been into and around Motorsport long before you were a twinkle I'm your daddy's eye.

 

[MONSTAR-1]

Monstar on Neps dads racing comment, I believe they did standing starts in the races he competed and won in so rolling start could be a little alien to him maybe..?

So what your suggesting is that he"s never herd of a rolling start or never seen enough of them to know how it works? No.. Of cause not. He knows the drill. From what I've read he is a very experienced racer and a very good one at that too. That's why I asked what his motive was as to why he didn't make and effort to get along side RamStig.
So no it's not alien to him.
8)

 

[NEPALII]

Wow... Are you happy now? Just let it out buddy...

 

[MONSTAR-1]

Kids...

 

[NEPALII]

How ironic, isnt it?

 

[will-i-am]

if you want to improve your driving style you join the company of good/fast and clean drivers

This is the reason if I make it, I want to stay. I know there is no way I can win. But I know it will make me faster.

 

[doctsuru_69]

@MONSTAR-1 & NEPALII - Let's keep a healthy discussion. "If you have nothing good to say, don't speak."-- I believe that's what NEPAL's dad is thinking right now. 💡

No offense NEP, but i think you should let your dad speak for himself.

 

[doctsuru_69]

This is the reason if I make it, I want to stay. I know there is no way I can win. But I know it will make me faster.

👍

 

[Masi_23]

Hey guys, about the start procedure (for preseason races). There weren't much problems back in Season 2. Everyone was very disciplined and held a consistent, tight rolling pack throughout a formation lap - i guess it comes with experience.

We will stick with P1 being on the inside lane. It's always been that way and we've had no problems with it. Let's not add anymore complications. As for the drivers being left behind before the start (from the last corner)... once again, not much problems in Season 2. It is a driver's responsibility (and at his own risk) to maintain his grid spot during a formation lap..

But... it is an unwritten rule..

The issue here (which only came about once in Season 2 - i think SupraPhantom in Monaco) is how a driver (Driver A) is not allowed to cross minimum distance before the start finish line from the driver ahead of him (Driver B) - who is allowed to create as big a cushion as he'd like from the driver ahead of 'him' (Driver C). That's a bit disadvantageous for Driver A, but who in their right mind would lag too far back right? It's sort of an unwritten rule (gentlemans agreement). I think a system should be adapted where you must maintain both a minimum and max distance to make it fair throughout a full grid. Also, maintaining a certain speed once the start is near. If you lag, the driver behind you running on the required pace of 55-60 mph is not obliged to slow down to keep you ahead and will keep his track position regardless of where you are.

By the way, we will keep the rule where the Pole Sitter decides when to start. If we set it to just the 'Start Finish Line,' it'll be too predictable and it can open up the possibility of people jumping the start even more - cause avoidable mayhem and might devalue qualifying somewhat. We should probably just make it clearer that the Pole Sitter should start the race close to the start finish - not a couple of hundred yards back.



As for the procedure in the regular season, here they are from the OP if you haven't read already:

Read this - anyone who's contemplating about quitting.

There will always be someone faster than you - but competition will always make you better - proven, consistent fact!

In the end though, racing in this series is all about having fun and building comradary with a bunch of car enthusiasts (or video game nerds, GT lovers, whatever your perspective is).

Agree with you on that.👍

To those who believe they are “slow” drivers (like me ) and are contemplating on quitting (before even trying) re-examine your goal/purpose of joining this series. If your goal is to just to WIN, then don’t waste your time in Season 3 ‘cause you’ll just get frustrated. But if your goal is to experience the FUN of (simulation) driving and get thrilled with the dynamic nature of on-line racing, then you might want to reconsider and stick with us in this series.

You want to improve your driving skills too? Here’s my story… When I first joined this series since (half way through) season 1, I was driving like a snail… well, I’m a turtle now! My point is, if you want to improve your driving style you join the company of good/fast and clean drivers (just look at the steward list—skip my name for now) and those qualities will just follow.

When I first joined this series I felt so insecure and intimidated for the following reasons—I was the oldest and slowest in the group and I was the only one living on the other side of the globe. I have no one to practice with since the rest of the drivers where asleep when I turn on my PS3 (I only knew one or two who plays GT5 in the Philippines but they don’t have the luxury of time like I have). Imagine pushing your aging body to wake up at 2 in the morning just to race with a bunch of high octane kids. They were bullying me (in a clean and professional manner) but I did not quit because I enjoyed what I was doing-- this is something new and exciting my generation was deprived of. Another thing that made me stay was the friendly nature of this league, the admins and stewards in particular, and not to mention the founder of WSGTC who carries the Philippine flag also.

Well, I won’t keep it long. My advice to new comers, don’t put too much pressure on yourself. ENJOY what you’re doing but don’t act STUPID. Read the OP and know the rules and you’ll never go wrong. You don’t need to read the whole thread, it’s there for the purpose of discussing issues and expressing yourself (in a civil and tempered manner) but everything is in the OP (I remember the first time I read it, I had to ask Denilson what OP means, lol). But I read the entire thread ‘cause I want to know the personality of each driver.

My word of advice for those who feel nervous and intimidated about the qualifying— it doesn’t matter if you TRY AND FAIL, it does matter if you FAIL TO TRY.

 

[doctsuru_69]

Thanks Eric. 👍
I hope my EDITORIAL helps, hehe.

 

[Masi_23]

Moved.

 

[Masi_23]

Thanks Eric. 👍
I hope my EDITORIAL helps, hehe.

No problem Doc, i'm it will

Bumping from Previous Page:

Hey guys, about the start procedure (for preseason races). There weren't much problems back in Season 2. Everyone was very disciplined and held a consistent, tight rolling pack throughout a formation lap - i guess it comes with experience.

We will stick with P1 being on the inside lane. It's always been that way and we've had no problems with it. Let's not add anymore complications. As for the drivers being left behind before the start (from the last corner)... once again, not much problems in Season 2. It is a driver's responsibility (and at his own risk) to maintain his grid spot during a formation lap..

But... it is an unwritten rule..

The issue here (which only came about once in Season 2 - i think SupraPhantom in Monaco) is how a driver (Driver A) is not allowed to cross minimum distance before the start finish line from the driver ahead of him (Driver B) - who is allowed to create as big a cushion as he'd like from the driver ahead of 'him' (Driver C). That's a bit disadvantageous for Driver A, but who in their right mind would lag too far back right? It's sort of an unwritten rule (gentlemans agreement). I think a system should be adapted where you must maintain both a minimum and max distance to make it fair throughout a full grid. Also, maintaining a certain speed once the start is near. If you lag, the driver behind you running on the required pace of 55-60 mph is not obliged to slow down to keep you ahead and will keep his track position regardless of where you are.

By the way, we will keep the rule where the Pole Sitter decides when to start. If we set it to just the 'Start Finish Line,' it'll be too predictable and it can open up the possibility of people jumping the start even more - cause avoidable mayhem and might devalue qualifying somewhat. We should probably just make it clearer that the Pole Sitter should start the race close to the start finish - not a couple of hundred yards back.



As for the procedure in the regular season, here they are from the OP if you haven't read already:

Read this - anyone who's contemplating about quitting.

There will always be someone faster than you - but competition will always make you better - proven, consistent fact!

In the end though, racing in this series is all about having fun and building comradary with a bunch of car enthusiasts (or video game nerds, GT lovers, whatever your perspective is).

Agree with you on that.👍

To those who believe they are “slow” drivers (like me ) and are contemplating on quitting (before even trying) re-examine your goal/purpose of joining this series. If your goal is to just to WIN, then don’t waste your time in Season 3 ‘cause you’ll just get frustrated. But if your goal is to experience the FUN of (simulation) driving and get thrilled with the dynamic nature of on-line racing, then you might want to reconsider and stick with us in this series.

You want to improve your driving skills too? Here’s my story… When I first joined this series since (half way through) season 1, I was driving like a snail… well, I’m a turtle now! My point is, if you want to improve your driving style you join the company of good/fast and clean drivers (just look at the steward list—skip my name for now) and those qualities will just follow.

When I first joined this series I felt so insecure and intimidated for the following reasons—I was the oldest and slowest in the group and I was the only one living on the other side of the globe. I have no one to practice with since the rest of the drivers where asleep when I turn on my PS3 (I only knew one or two who plays GT5 in the Philippines but they don’t have the luxury of time like I have). Imagine pushing your aging body to wake up at 2 in the morning just to race with a bunch of high octane kids. They were bullying me (in a clean and professional manner) but I did not quit because I enjoyed what I was doing-- this is something new and exciting my generation was deprived of. Another thing that made me stay was the friendly nature of this league, the admins and stewards in particular, and not to mention the founder of WSGTC who carries the Philippine flag also.

Well, I won’t keep it long. My advice to new comers, don’t put too much pressure on yourself. ENJOY what you’re doing but don’t act STUPID. Read the OP and know the rules and you’ll never go wrong. You don’t need to read the whole thread, it’s there for the purpose of discussing issues and expressing yourself (in a civil and tempered manner) but everything is in the OP (I remember the first time I read it, I had to ask Denilson what OP means, lol). But I read the entire thread ‘cause I want to know the personality of each driver.

My word of advice for those who feel nervous and intimidated about the qualifying— it doesn’t matter if you TRY AND FAIL, it does matter if you FAIL TO TRY.

 

[Lynchy098]

There will always be someone faster than you - but competition will always make you better - proven, consistent fact!

In the end though, racing in this series is all about having fun and building comradeship with a bunch of car enthusiasts (or video game nerds, GT lovers, whatever your perspective is).

I agree with that 100%, Race 1 last season for me i was Dq'd, Then with a series of low finishes, but then i didn't ever think i'd win. But then the competition made me finish 1st in what was the hardest race of the season for even the best of drivers 👍

 

[MONSTAR-1]

I'll do my quali tomorrow. Hopefully 1 of the stewards will be around.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Masi_23

There will always be someone faster than you - but competition will always make you better - proven, consistent fact!

In the end though, racing in this series is all about having fun and building comradeship with a bunch of car enthusiasts (or video game nerds, GT lovers, whatever your perspective is).

I understand all that; it is why I continue to race in Concours Club on Sundays (club is taking a Christmas break) 👍

I was driving a default settings car in the Pre-season Race 2, so will take the Qualifier (our office closes at noon today) before the 23rd and see how it goes with more appropriate settings, especially gearing/top speed

My concern was getting in the quicker (all ) drivers' way. I use cockpit view and no track map so I may not notice being lapped the odd time - no one (so far) complained about my driving though 👍

Though not an official 'Dad'; old enough at 50

So will give it a go, but I'll stick to GT500 regardless

Please keep my entry Masi and I'll get a Qualifier in 👍

 

[xStretch-]

I raced 2 times last season and I thought the rolling start was a mess.

When someone hits you and you have to pit before you've started really pee'd me off ;D

wish there was a auto rolling start

 

[ramstig]

Masi, I've some bad news to you.

According to race schedule, there is Spa GP at the 3rd round. But today after 2.02, my friend who want to join a room with SpaGP on track, cannot join the room because he doesnt yet buy the DLC course pack.

Nah, whats your solution with this problem? (luckily i have the Spa, but I dont think everybody in here have the DLC too.)

 

[CSLACR]

It is a driver's responsibility (and at his own risk) to maintain his grid spot during a formation lap..

And at others risk too.
I'll be forced to say I told you so...

 

[CAMikaze]

May as well get the ball rolling on signups for this week's pre-season race.

PSN ID: GTP_CAMikaze
Conference: NTSC
Class: GT300
Car: ARTA Garaiya '08 (Asparadrink RX-7 '04 will be my second choice)

 

[Paginas1]

I cannot make it as I will be working till 10pm GMT. Last day at work before christmas, need to everything sorted lol

 

[Masi_23]

There is no preseason race this week but a group/mass qualifier (Nismo 380s Super Leggera) on Friday.

By the way, has anyone tested the new tire wear? I heard Softs wear off much faster now. Maybe we can have tires unrestricted to add a bit more strategy?

 

[CAMikaze]

By the way, has anyone tested the new tire wear? I heard Softs wear off much faster now.

Like the Super Soft tires in F1, perhaps?

 

[Litchi]

By the way, has anyone tested the new tire wear? I heard Softs wear off much faster now. Maybe we can have tires unrestricted to add a bit more strategy?

Some tests here from PURE JGTS drivers

 

[Masi_23]

Like the Super Soft tires in F1, perhaps?

Yes, this can open up a ton of possibilities in terms of strategy

What does everyone else think?

 

[twistedfirework]

Yes, this can open up a ton of possibilities in terms of strategy

What does everyone else think?

I like the idea of free tyre choice. You will have drivers on different strategies.

 

[CSLACR]

Yes, this can open up a ton of possibilities in terms of strategy

What does everyone else think?

I like the idea. It can particularly with recovering from damage that screws up your pit strategy.

At Sarthe the other day I got damaged on lap 2, softs or mediums would have really helped recover from that with the awkward pit windows it left me.

 

[Andil]

Agreed. If its viable, using different compounds would make the races seriously more interesting. We'd need to test it properly though over a full race distance. There's always a chance that even a soft tyre gaining 5 seconds a lap over a hard, could pit multiple times and still be the quicker option, and obviously we don't necessarily want that. So long as each tyre is more or less the same sort of pace over a race duration including pit stops then it would be perfect. I hope PD have factored that into their sim rather than just picking numbers out of the air

Also... Off topic - don't really have any other topics I post in on GTP so this is kinda the best place to post it. Been testing an F1 simulator, trying to provide some feedback so they can improve the hardware for realism so they can resell it, got a couple of F1 teams interested along with various lesser Formula teams too - videooo (yes, I know I messed up Copse and the final chicane ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVpr3FvqIz8

 

[Masi_23]

Yes, a full length race should be in order. We'll plan it after the Qualifiers.

Nice simulator 👍

 

[Sail IC]

I tested the new new tire model a bit. Online Private Lobby, Nurburgring GP/F. Calsonic stock power (518hp/610PP), 8 laps. To make it easy for me, I used a RH tire setup for both "races". Also to make it comparable, I didn't push hard in any of the races, but just tried to drive smooth but effective.

RS tires, 1 stop: 15min 41 sec
RH tires, 0 stop; 15min 48 sec

RS tires: Best lap time 1'53.3, worst lap 1'53.9 (lap 8)
RH tires: Best lap time 1'56.4, worst lap 1'59.4 (lap 8)

The RS tires had a little more the 50% left on them at the end of each stint, but were still delivering almost as good lap times as fresh. There was probably at least another two laps in them without laptimes going too high.

The RH tires had a little less than 50% left in them and lap times was increasing with each lap. If regulation would have stated RH only, it was probably time for a pitstop fairly soon.

At the last lap, the RS tires was 5.5 seconds faster. At 8 laps, the RS tires was 7 sec faster even if it had to do a pit stop. If the race would have been 2 laps longer, the RS tires would "win" with about an aditional 10-12 seconds, making them nrearly 20 seconds faster for the race. If the race would have been 6 laps, the RS tires could easily make it without a stop. If long races, RS tires will be faster at any lap combination.

I then modified the setup to more suit RS tires. Best lap was a 1'52.2, tires lasting 7 laps, last lap being in the 1'56, same as fresh RH tires. RS tires heat up slower than before, doesn't get completetely white, and get to its warmest when worn down to around 75% left. I previously done 1'49.8 in a 610PP GTR (no tuning restrictions however), so best laptimes are slower than before, at least what i got in this short test.

So unfortunately it doesn't work as we hoped. That RS or RH would post similar race time, RH being slower but making it up in fewer stops. Bummer.

 

[CSLACR]

Sounds like classic GT to me tbh.
In every GT game I always used to run RS for enduros and just pit constantly, because it was easily faster, and far more consistent.
So yeah, classic GT that makes decisions easy.