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I respect all stewards 
and all racers should do aswell
and all racers should do aswell
GTRA | RSeat WSGTC S3 | Qualifier **Qualifying Deadline Thursday**
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- ManiacArchon
Hello guys, I'd like to do my qualifiers tonight. Are any of the stewards going to be online around 18:00GMT...?
P.S. I think the qualifying rules have changed a bit... Please correct me if I'm wrong...
-The Amuse Nismo 380RS has to be from the recommended garage or can it be from our garage with tuning prohibited..?
That does make a real difference in the laptimes because of the increased HP...
-Will the Laguna Seca qualifier be run at a later date..?
P.S. I think the qualifying rules have changed a bit... Please correct me if I'm wrong...
-The Amuse Nismo 380RS has to be from the recommended garage or can it be from our garage with tuning prohibited..?
That does make a real difference in the laptimes because of the increased HP...
-Will the Laguna Seca qualifier be run at a later date..?
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I realize it says that in the OP. My point is that the picture example that Masi posted should have been posted before anyone started to qualify as just the written word is open to interpretation. As you can see, my understanding was that if the car goes the wrong side of the white line it is deemed "cutting". The picture makes it crystal clear that as long as 2 wheels are still touching the kerbs then it is clean, even if the whole car is the wrong side of the white line, which is cutting more than I understood was allowed.
I'd also like to point out that cutting across the kerbs to that degree would never be allowed in real life racing, like F1 for example. If S.Vettel or any other driver for that matter were to cut a corner to that degree in a qualifying session his lap would be disqualified.
Not really, you can basically have 2 wheels in and 2 wheels out. In real life this applies as well(at least in most motorsports). All 4 wheels is illegal, but 2 in and 2 out isnt.
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You wouldn't be allowed to have the whole car on the wrong side of the white line like that dude, no way, even if you did still have 2 wheels touching the kerb.
I just copied this from the Official FIA F1 rules. Look it up yourself if you want. I just "googled" F1 rules, then went to the first result that comes up, then went to 'Driving protocol and penalties' then 'FIA regulations in detail' and it's rule 20.3
20.3 Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.
Should a car leave the track for any reason the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage.
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"I'll watch all the replays of your races in the season...take care"
Really till this point everyone talked on a "good" level but whats that ? iam really very angry now ! Do you want to blackmail me ?
Really i don't want to talk about this topic anymore , i don't want to get problems with the other driver . Nissen is a friendly good driver (but it was a cut ! ) .
For me its closed !
I (and other drivers ) just want that you ( Masi + stewards) make a rule for "refoining" . That's all what i want .
Congrats to everyone and btw iam driving 2.6 now too ( 1st sector ! )
ps: Dazmeister22, That's absoulutly right, we should be stewards too , but iam from germany = no chance XD ( england-germany)
Really till this point everyone talked on a "good" level but whats that ? iam really very angry now ! Do you want to blackmail me ?
Really i don't want to talk about this topic anymore , i don't want to get problems with the other driver . Nissen is a friendly good driver (but it was a cut ! ) .
For me its closed !
I (and other drivers ) just want that you ( Masi + stewards) make a rule for "refoining" . That's all what i want .
Congrats to everyone and btw iam driving 2.6 now too ( 1st sector ! )
ps: Dazmeister22, That's absoulutly right, we should be stewards too , but iam from germany = no chance XD ( england-germany)
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The rule is that you have to have 2 wheels on the track at all times. Red+white rumble strip (kerb) is track. Therefore, you are allowed 2 wheels off the track, as long as you have 2 wheels touching the rumble strip.
Where there is no rumble strip and just a white line, e.g. exit of Ascari at Monza, you can have 2 wheels on the wrong side of the white line, as long as your other 2 wheels are touching the white line.
These rules are in line with the GTP OLR Rules.
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He quoted FIA !Do you know what Fia is?
For me its closed now ! I don't care anymore ! I opened GT 5 now and will drive some races, you can do what you want!
Litchi: FBI member XD
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I did read the OP before qualifying my friend but, as I stated in a previous post those rules are open to interpretation, it wasn't until Masi posted the picture outlining what GTP deems dirty or clean that it became properly clear what was meant. All I'm saying is that the picture should have been shown before anyone started qualifying. Because evidently, GTP's rules are different to real-life racing rules those of us that did proper clean laps in our qualily are now slower than those people that were allowed to use the kerbs in the 'new' GTP patented way.
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By the way I got those rules off the F1 FIA website. FIA means "Federacion Internacional de Automovilismo" which is the International governing body of ALL car motorsports, not just F1.
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Mate what you just said in the second paragraph goes against what is in Masi's picture example. Forgive me if I'm wrong but, the picture appears to be the exit of Ascari at Monza, in the picture that is deemed "clean" the car is clearly the wrong side of the white line. You said there are no rumble strips there but, there are definitely red & white painted kerbs.
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Yeah that corner is scaryyyyyy trying going flat out there
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The picture is at the last apex of Ascari where there is green concrete, red+white rumble strip, white line, then tarmac. The exit of that apex goes out to the right, where there is a rumble strip but it ends quickly, leaving just a white line. I forgive you.
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Still, none of the stewards or Masi have admitted yet, that GTP rules are different to real-life racing rules. The official FIA rules are in one of my previous posts.
If they were to use GTP rules in real life racing for example, a driver would be able to cut right acroos the kerbs at the first corner of Nurburgring GP/F because it's such a tight hair-pin. He could turn right about 10-15 metres before the apex, balatantly cut across the white lines but it'd be OK with GTP because hey!! the car was in contact with the kerb at all times.
Come on guys, surely you can see the flaw in your rules??
If they were to use GTP rules in real life racing for example, a driver would be able to cut right acroos the kerbs at the first corner of Nurburgring GP/F because it's such a tight hair-pin. He could turn right about 10-15 metres before the apex, balatantly cut across the white lines but it'd be OK with GTP because hey!! the car was in contact with the kerb at all times.
Come on guys, surely you can see the flaw in your rules??
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The GTP rules are different to real-life racing rules.
This isn't online racing. I suppose you're new to online racing, at least to GTP, and this gives you more of a reason to check what's dirty and what's clean. I see no interpretation other than the right one in the written rules in the OP, at least no interpreation which would make you believe 100% that putting 2 wheels outside the rumble strip is dirty. In brief it's...
a: 2 wheeks on track at all times.
b: white lines are part of the track. grey/concrete cobble areas are part of the track.
c. rumble strip are part of the track. green painted areas are not.
meaning you're clean if you have 2 wheels on the whitelines, grey/concrete cobble areas or rumble strips.
You've done your qualifier now, and you might feel hard done by, but you've only missed out on a few tenths of a second, assuming you nailed that chicane every time. We can stop talking about this now.
Another edit... : there's hardly any kerb at the first corner of GP/F. 15 metres before? That's the barrier mate. The rules are what they are. If you're so interested as to why they are the way they are, chat to a GTP OLR Steward.
This isn't online racing. I suppose you're new to online racing, at least to GTP, and this gives you more of a reason to check what's dirty and what's clean. I see no interpretation other than the right one in the written rules in the OP, at least no interpreation which would make you believe 100% that putting 2 wheels outside the rumble strip is dirty. In brief it's...
a: 2 wheeks on track at all times.
b: white lines are part of the track. grey/concrete cobble areas are part of the track.
c. rumble strip are part of the track. green painted areas are not.
meaning you're clean if you have 2 wheels on the whitelines, grey/concrete cobble areas or rumble strips.
You've done your qualifier now, and you might feel hard done by, but you've only missed out on a few tenths of a second, assuming you nailed that chicane every time. We can stop talking about this now.
Another edit... : there's hardly any kerb at the first corner of GP/F. 15 metres before? That's the barrier mate. The rules are what they are. If you're so interested as to why they are the way they are, chat to a GTP OLR Steward.
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The barrier finishes at least 10-15 metres before the apex of turn one at Nurburgring GP/F go check it in GT5 or in a real-world pic.
I'm simply pointing out that GTP rules are different to the Official FIA rules which are the result of almost 100 years of real life racing experience. As the whole idea of online racing is to make it as realistic as possible (or so I thought) I assumed cutting in the way that's illustrated in Masi's picture would be deemed dirty, as it would be according to FIA rules. I say again, it's just a shame that the picture was shown AFTER the qualifying process began otherwise quite a few of us, not only myself would have been able to improve our lap time, albeit by a few tenths (as you said). Tenths of a second are very important when you consider the high level of skill which a lot of the people who signed up have. It could mean the difference between making it into the top 30 or not. Wouldn't you agree?
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Although I understand where you are coming from. The fact is that had you read the rules to the competition you have entered properly, you would of understood what us and isn't classed as track. If you weren't sure having read the rules a steward would of opened a room with you to show you the track limits. I really think this should be case closed now. If in the future you are unsure of track limits, any of the stewards will show you on request.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/15xphotos/6327263843/in/set-72157627962173279/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15xphotos/6328041106/in/set-72157627962173279/
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That's turn one, GP/F. In the last pic, that's what, 0.5 metres of rumble strip? What are you referring to?
Yeah we know. I've already acknowledged the differences aswell...
Agreed about the realistic part. I'm sure an OLR steward would be able to explain why the rules are the way they are much better than I would. Still, rules are rules.
Agreed about the tenths of a second part. Absolutely.
Not agreed about the pic bit. If you're new to GTP, you should accept that some things might be different to what you are used to. If you're used to racing at GTP, it's like second nature knowing the rules of track conduct. We shouldn't expect a picture telling us what is dirty and what is not before every race, just so it can benefit a few new people, especially when the rules are written in the OP (which every one should read otherwise they don't have an argument). I know you read the OP, so in what way did you interpret the rules so that 2 wheels over the white line is dirty?
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