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Btw, I did some practice yesterday with Remy_K, twistedfirework, Scanny_Flick and Josh_F_1998 at Monza ofc..
Looks likr the GT300's run low 1:54's, and I ran a 1:45,4 as my best. Mostly around 45,8-46,2 though. The NSX's will be deadly for this one..
Looks likr the GT300's run low 1:54's, and I ran a 1:45,4 as my best. Mostly around 45,8-46,2 though. The NSX's will be deadly for this one..
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Reevos got into the mid 44s in his Nsx.
He and I did a mock race together to figure out a good transmission top speed setting for the draft. I set my 6th gear to like 205 and it cranked the overall top speed to around 215mph with my final drive setting.
With that, on a long tow down the main straight, I hit 200mhp chasing Reevos down.
Gonna be a killer race.
He and I did a mock race together to figure out a good transmission top speed setting for the draft. I set my 6th gear to like 205 and it cranked the overall top speed to around 215mph with my final drive setting.
With that, on a long tow down the main straight, I hit 200mhp chasing Reevos down.
Gonna be a killer race.
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Reevos got into the mid 44s in his Nsx.
He and I did a mock race together to figure out a good transmission top speed setting for the draft. I set my 6th gear to like 205 and it cranked the overall top speed to around 215mph with my final drive setting.
With that, on a long tow down the main straight, I hit 200mhp chasing Reevos down.
Gonna be a killer race.
What lap times did you do in your Lexus?
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Ok, we just got some really good data from Pinoy on the D2 GT300 gap times. in the finish.
It's really hard to figure out the best way to get these gap times for lapped finishers. Would there be any way that people who don't finish before the timer ends to mark a time or something that we could go off in the future?
Get ready for the math. So the total time from when Biffy finished was exactly 1:29:31.856. Adding the 180 second (3 minutes) finish timer time to it means the whole thing actually ended after 1:32:31.856. The last person to finish within the 180 seconds was twistedfirework with a total time of 1:31:56.403 (+2:24.547) that means the next person, Mule, was at least +35.453 behind twisted. Using average sector times (this is where the real guess work comes in) the four sectors have an average of 40, 29, 31, and 30 seconds for the GT300 cars toward the end of the race. Using these averages we can gleam an estimated gap between other drivers without gap times using the little blue progress bars that show up as a car goes through the sector graphs and fractioning them.
Doing this we come to our best estimations for gap times for the GT300 class as the race ended for twisted and as the rest of the drivers got put back in the race lobby before they finished their laps:
Estimated gap times from twisted's total time of 1:31:56.403 & from the leader (gap to Biffy) = total time
Mule: +37 sec. (+3:01) = 1:32.32.856
Pinoy: +20 sec. (+3:21) = 1:32:52.856
Silent: +104 sec. (+4:45) = 1:34:16.856
MH4: +136 sec. (+5:17) = 1:34:58.856
Now that those provisional times are out of the way. We can add the 25 second penalty to Pinoy's total time.
Pinoy: 1:32:52.856 + 25 sec = 1:33:17.856 which keeps him in exactly the same place.
Well... at least we have the times.
Thanks Pinoy for giving us the great insight/data to make this possible!.
Time to finish the tables
It's really hard to figure out the best way to get these gap times for lapped finishers. Would there be any way that people who don't finish before the timer ends to mark a time or something that we could go off in the future?
Get ready for the math. So the total time from when Biffy finished was exactly 1:29:31.856. Adding the 180 second (3 minutes) finish timer time to it means the whole thing actually ended after 1:32:31.856. The last person to finish within the 180 seconds was twistedfirework with a total time of 1:31:56.403 (+2:24.547) that means the next person, Mule, was at least +35.453 behind twisted. Using average sector times (this is where the real guess work comes in) the four sectors have an average of 40, 29, 31, and 30 seconds for the GT300 cars toward the end of the race. Using these averages we can gleam an estimated gap between other drivers without gap times using the little blue progress bars that show up as a car goes through the sector graphs and fractioning them.
Doing this we come to our best estimations for gap times for the GT300 class as the race ended for twisted and as the rest of the drivers got put back in the race lobby before they finished their laps:
Estimated gap times from twisted's total time of 1:31:56.403 & from the leader (gap to Biffy) = total time
Mule: +37 sec. (+3:01) = 1:32.32.856
Pinoy: +20 sec. (+3:21) = 1:32:52.856
Silent: +104 sec. (+4:45) = 1:34:16.856
MH4: +136 sec. (+5:17) = 1:34:58.856
Now that those provisional times are out of the way. We can add the 25 second penalty to Pinoy's total time.
Pinoy: 1:32:52.856 + 25 sec = 1:33:17.856 which keeps him in exactly the same place.
Well... at least we have the times.
Thanks Pinoy for giving us the great insight/data to make this possible!.
Time to finish the tables
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Hi, to be honest I am confused by the starting procedure for races. I've read the rules and that's clear. I can't seem to get it with the starts though.
Is there someone or someplace where I can get help. And if there is another post for newbies to get acquainted with each other and the rules and regs please direct me to because I am unable to find it myself. (It must be the car or the tires...)
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Welcome Kesl. This is the right place for "newbies" lol. Ask any question you can. Showing us that you're serious enough about the series to ask us questions now goes a long way in us taking you seriously too 👍
It shows that you have initiative and we'd much rather have you ask questions now rather than wait till the race to find out the hard way xD. This goes for everybody.
But as far as the starting procedure goes what exactly did you need cleared up?
It shows that you have initiative and we'd much rather have you ask questions now rather than wait till the race to find out the hard way xD. This goes for everybody.
But as far as the starting procedure goes what exactly did you need cleared up?
Here's what I understand the procedure as. The parade lap is after the "Start". The lead car goes forward about 100meters past the start finish line and stops then mr. number 2 parks behind him and so on until all the cars are behind the pole sitter then, we drive in an organized fashion no overtaking around the circuit 1 time and position the car at our respective starting position a la Formula 1. Then the pole sitter takes off slowly. And then floors it after start finish line. And so, one by one each of the other competitors follows suit. So as to avoid shenanigans at the first corner. This is my understanding, please advise.
Also, on the qualy laps. we get 4 laps an out 2 flyers and an in. but am I to understand the qualy is actually an online race with 4 laps each counting as respective out, flyers and in laps?
P.s. I'll understand better what's happening when I see what's up, as I am not so confident to be the pole sitter anyway, I am sure to have some fellows in front whom i can follow.
Also, on the qualy laps. we get 4 laps an out 2 flyers and an in. but am I to understand the qualy is actually an online race with 4 laps each counting as respective out, flyers and in laps?
P.s. I'll understand better what's happening when I see what's up, as I am not so confident to be the pole sitter anyway, I am sure to have some fellows in front whom i can follow.
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Great work Masi on the interviews top work! 👍
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Well the best thing to do is give you a quick little demonstration (this goes for anyone else who's not confident in leading the pack)
It's the best way to show you what exactly happens during our starts.
But what happens pretty much, during a mixed class start, is the race "starts" but no GT500 cars are to move, only GT300. They sneak past us carefully (keep in mind we're running heavy damage) and grid/align themselves up into a rolling formation as outlined in the OP.
They do one lap and then wait behind us.
GT500s get in correct formation according to quali. positions and we all begin the 55mph/90kmh roll. We don't park again like in F1, there's easier ways to set the standing start grid than that but we do rolling starts. One we come around the last lap the pole sitter will start the race as soon as he hits the accelerator any time he wants past the pre-determined starting line (which is usually the start/finish line). This isn't to avoid "shenanigans" but done because it's the way it's done in real life and is also a good way to more balance out race starts since some of the cars are a lot better at standing starts than others. It also allows the GT300 class to get a one lap head start so that they can, theoretically, finish within the 180 second finish timer at the end of the race.
Quali. is merely set to four laps. It's a sole qualifier. The first lap is your outlap/warm up. and then you get your two flying laps where your fastest clean lap sets your official super lap qualifying time that goes on the board. The fourth lap is just a cool down lap that we use in case you're qualifying with another person to give them time to finish or for us [stewards] have a little more time to write down times. You must finish the 4th lap unless we tell you otherwise.
Let me know if there's anything else 👍 Thanks again for making sure you're clear.
It's spelled out here as well [for emphasis]:
Here's the updated GT500 table. Full results being tabulated and will be posted in the round specific thread soon.
It's the best way to show you what exactly happens during our starts.
But what happens pretty much, during a mixed class start, is the race "starts" but no GT500 cars are to move, only GT300. They sneak past us carefully (keep in mind we're running heavy damage) and grid/align themselves up into a rolling formation as outlined in the OP.
They do one lap and then wait behind us.
GT500s get in correct formation according to quali. positions and we all begin the 55mph/90kmh roll. We don't park again like in F1, there's easier ways to set the standing start grid than that but we do rolling starts. One we come around the last lap the pole sitter will start the race as soon as he hits the accelerator any time he wants past the pre-determined starting line (which is usually the start/finish line). This isn't to avoid "shenanigans" but done because it's the way it's done in real life and is also a good way to more balance out race starts since some of the cars are a lot better at standing starts than others. It also allows the GT300 class to get a one lap head start so that they can, theoretically, finish within the 180 second finish timer at the end of the race.
Quali. is merely set to four laps. It's a sole qualifier. The first lap is your outlap/warm up. and then you get your two flying laps where your fastest clean lap sets your official super lap qualifying time that goes on the board. The fourth lap is just a cool down lap that we use in case you're qualifying with another person to give them time to finish or for us [stewards] have a little more time to write down times. You must finish the 4th lap unless we tell you otherwise.
Let me know if there's anything else 👍 Thanks again for making sure you're clear.
It's spelled out here as well [for emphasis]:
Here's the updated GT500 table. Full results being tabulated and will be posted in the round specific thread soon.
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Has the start procedure changed Wardez? I was under the impression that once the gt300's complete their 'extra' formation lap they go past the waiting gt500's and immediately begin their final formation lap, 500's then begin their formation lap 60 seconds later. This gives the 300's a lap +60 seconds head start.
This is what we did in d2 last week and in d1 at Fuji (I was absent for Tsukuba and La Sarthe is different anyway)
This is what we did in d2 last week and in d1 at Fuji (I was absent for Tsukuba and La Sarthe is different anyway)
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Lynchy I will be looking to have a room or jump into one this evening/tonight.
Will post up when on Later.
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I'm pretty sure we're doing weather at Monza, we always do weather when we can.
Anyway! I just posted up the Round specific thread. I'm gonna update it with pictures showing exactly where you can and can not gone on track.
Anyway, on to some updates!
CURRENT SUCCESS BALLAST PENALTIES FOR ROUND 5:
GT500:
C-Falcon89: 120 kg
Remy_K: 120 kg
dantedani36: 40 kg
SupraPhant0m: 20 kg
Paginas: 40 kg
GT300:
Moleman: 90 kg
tony1311: 50 kg
GTP_Aderrrm: 80 kg
Shrugging_Atlas: 10 kg
HortusIX: 10 kg
KamyKaze1098: 30 kg
Anyway! I just posted up the Round specific thread. I'm gonna update it with pictures showing exactly where you can and can not gone on track.
Anyway, on to some updates!
CURRENT SUCCESS BALLAST PENALTIES FOR ROUND 5:
GT500:
C-Falcon89: 120 kg
Remy_K: 120 kg
dantedani36: 40 kg
SupraPhant0m: 20 kg
Paginas: 40 kg
GT300:
Moleman: 90 kg
tony1311: 50 kg
GTP_Aderrrm: 80 kg
Shrugging_Atlas: 10 kg
HortusIX: 10 kg
KamyKaze1098: 30 kg
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Yes, we are racing with the possibility for rain.
Scanny_Flick: We don't always use that method. Sometimes, the GT500 pack leads. It doesn't really matter as long s the GT300's do 1 lap prior the formationlap. It depends a lot on the track thogh.
The highspeed tracks where GT500's are 10-20 seconds faster / lap requires a bit more "handicap" for the GT300's to make them finish the race. In a race like Nurburgring GP/F, where the difference is only about 5 seconds, we don't need to let the GT300 pack lead. But for tracks like La Sarthe, we need to make sure that the GT300's start well before the GT500's in order to finish the race. 👍
Scanny_Flick: We don't always use that method. Sometimes, the GT500 pack leads. It doesn't really matter as long s the GT300's do 1 lap prior the formationlap. It depends a lot on the track thogh.
The highspeed tracks where GT500's are 10-20 seconds faster / lap requires a bit more "handicap" for the GT300's to make them finish the race. In a race like Nurburgring GP/F, where the difference is only about 5 seconds, we don't need to let the GT300 pack lead. But for tracks like La Sarthe, we need to make sure that the GT300's start well before the GT500's in order to finish the race. 👍
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