Israel - Palestine discussion thread

arora
Does anyone actually think that if the Jew left, there would be peace in the region?
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The region will improve somewhat, but the poverty remains. So instead killing in the name of a god, it will be killing in the name of money.
 
Getting really worried about this, you don't just bring up 75,000 troops if you arn't planning anything. They bombed the Hamas HQ last night and the papers this morning were all hinted on a weeked invasion. If it was just these two countries that wouldn't be too bad, israel would win within days. However Eqypt under the new leadership have strong ties to Gaza and have said that they will help Gaza defend itself. If this happens your have two largish countries fighting each other. Israel has a large army and Egypt still has much of the firepower from last years revolution. Who else decides to get involved from there is their own choice however I don't think it would end at those two (or 3 including Gaza) countries.
 
lbsf1
Getting really worried about this, you don't just bring up 75,000 troops if you arn't planning anything.
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Unless your plan is to do nothing. Seventy-five thousand troops loitering near the border sounds like a good way to intimidate to me.

lbsf1
They bombed the Hamas HQ last night and the papers this morning were all hinted on a weeked invasion.
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If Israel really wanted to hit Gaza hard, they certainly wouldn't let the papers get wind of it before it started. No, I suspect they're intenitonally using the media to foreshadow any assault and get Hamas to think twice abut retaliating.

lbsf1
However Eqypt under the new leadership have strong ties to Gaza and have said that they will help Gaza defend itself.
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Unless Mohamed Morsi is placating the pro-Palestinian elements within his own cabinet. He might be the ruler of Egypt, but the military in particular still hold considerable sway, and appeasing them would be high on Morsi's list of priorities, because if he loses their support, there could be a coup.

lbsf1
If this happens your have two largish countries fighting each other.
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That's assuming that Egypt's definition of supporting Gaza is fighting Israel on Gaza's behalf.

lbsf1
Israel has a large army and Egypt still has much of the firepower from last years revolution. Who else decides to get involved from there is their own choice however I don't think it would end at those two (or 3 including Gaza) countries.
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Israel know that they are unpopular, so they're not going to start anything that could draw their neighbours into the fight. Egypt won't provoke Israel into doing anything, because Israel isn't shelling them, so anything they do would be seen as starting a war they have no business being in.
 
prisonermonkeys
Unless your plan is to do nothing. Seventy-five thousand troops loitering near the border sounds like a good way to intimidate to me.


If Israel really wanted to hit Gaza hard, they certainly wouldn't let the papers get wind of it before it started. No, I suspect they're intenitonally using the media to foreshadow any assault and get Hamas to think twice abut retaliating.


Unless Mohamed Morsi is placating the pro-Palestinian elements within his own cabinet. He might be the ruler of Egypt, but the military in particular still hold considerable sway, and appeasing them would be high on Morsi's list of priorities, because if he loses their support, there could be a coup.


That's assuming that Egypt's definition of supporting Gaza is fighting Israel on Gaza's behalf.


Israel know that they are unpopular, so they're not going to start anything that could draw their neighbours into the fight. Egypt won't provoke Israel into doing anything, because Israel isn't shelling them, so anything they do would be seen as starting a war they have no business being in.
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So you think Egypt won't get involved apart from the fact that their president visited Gaza yesterday and said "They will not leave Gaza on its own", and is currently bringing artilery into the country through their border??, the reaction when the border between the two opened last year would suggest that the p ublic opinion is also very much in Gaza's support. The president of Tunisia also showed visited gaza and showed his support. Obama has also just said he supports Israel.

The fact that Gaza is still sending missiles over to Israel would make it seem that the "intimidation" isn't working.

I can only see this ending up as a full on war. Israel feels that they have the support and so does gaza.
 
A war between Gaza and Israel isn't a full on war. It is an invasion of an army, against a bunch of badly armed guerrillas.
 
Dennisch
A war between Gaza and Israel isn't a full on war. It is an invasion of an army, against a bunch of badly armed guerrillas.
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Apart from when outer countries get involved.
 
Something that will not happen. Non of the surrounding countries are in good enough shape to take on Israel.
 
Dennisch
Something that will not happen. Non of the surrounding countries are in good enough shape to take on Israel.
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Doesn't matter, to many it will become Muslims against Jews, all logic will be out the window.

That said, both Turkey and Egypt have very capable air forces, enough to rival Israel on numbers I'd imagine.
 
Yeah but Turkey is still somewhat of an allie, so I don't see them get mixed into the fight. The rest are, as I said before, in no shape to take on Israel. Maybe if they can lure Iran into the fight, but any other option will just be suicide by Jew.

Or if they can deliver the first strike against the Israeli airforce, but that also needs to be kept secret until it happens, and you need more than Egypt and Jordan for that.
 
This will most likely end the same way it always does (after all this is not exactly a 'new' event in the whole Israel/Palestine situation).

Israel will tell Palastine to stop teh rockets
Palastine will tell Israel to stop the bombing
Neither will do so
Israel will launch military incursions into Palestine
Israel will then withdraw having given Hamas a bloody nose
UN inquiry into the situation

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None of the surrounding Arab countries will do a damn thing other that verbally condemn Israel and complain that the UN is not doing anything and/or the US is behind it all. Non of the surrounding Arab states is in a position to do anything, nor do they want the refugee fall-out should they act.
 
Scaff
This will most likely end the same way it always does (after all this is not exactly a 'new' event in the whole Israel/Palestine situation).

Israel will tell Palastine to stop teh rockets
Palastine will tell Israel to stop the bombing
Neither will do so
Israel will launch military incursions into Palestine
Israel will then withdraw having given Hamas a bloody nose
UN inquiry into the situation

Repeat

None of the surrounding Arab countries will do a damn thing other that verbally condemn Israel and complain that the UN is not doing anything and/or the US is behind it all. Non of the surrounding Arab states is in a position to do anything, nor do they want the refugee fall-out should they act.
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However after the uprisings last year situations in other arab countries are hugely different to before.
 
More over the other countries generally recognize the more professional nature of the Israeli army and inturn dont really want a straight forward war. Instead it will be the same old political battle. It never changes over there. :rolleyes:
 
Scaff
This will most likely end the same way it always does (after all this is not exactly a 'new' event in the whole Israel/Palestine situation).

Israel will tell Palastine to stop teh rockets
Palastine will tell Israel to stop the bombing
Neither will do so
Israel will launch military incursions into Palestine
Israel will then withdraw having given Hamas a bloody nose
UN inquiry into the situation

Repeat

None of the surrounding Arab countries will do a damn thing other that verbally condemn Israel and complain that the UN is not doing anything and/or the US is behind it all. Non of the surrounding Arab states is in a position to do anything, nor do they want the refugee fall-out should they act.
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What do you suggest.

Lock the 2 leaders of the Countries in a room and let them sort out the issues(think of when Bart locked Skinner and Edna in the principals office over the strike) or shoot them and bring in 2 smart people who will bring peace to their lands?
 
Dennisch
Yeah but Turkey is still somewhat of an allie, so I don't see them get mixed into the fight. The rest are, as I said before, in no shape to take on Israel. Maybe if they can lure Iran into the fight, but any other option will just be suicide by Jew.

Or if they can deliver the first strike against the Israeli airforce, but that also needs to be kept secret until it happens, and you need more than Egypt and Jordan for that.
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Turkey is busy with the Syrian question right now, so you can consider them out of the picture.

Israel is definitely a military juggernaut, but this isn't the cold war anymore and her neighbors upgraded big time when it came to military hardware. The only country that I think would make Israel soil its pants though is Iran.
 
lbsf1
However after the uprisings last year situations in other arab countries are hugely different to before.
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Yet most of them still have far too may internal issues (Egypt in particular) to be able to do anything, even if they were now more inclined to do so.


Grayfox
What do you suggest.

Lock the 2 leaders of the Countries in a room and let them sort out the issues(think of when Bart locked Skinner and Edna in the principals office over the strike) or shoot them and bring in 2 smart people who will bring peace to their lands?
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I wasn't suggesting a solution, only the likely outcome.

However I do like Edward DeBone's idea:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...te-plan-for-peace-in-middle-yeast-740189.html
 
I think the UN should have the world leaders come into an MMA ring and duke it out to solve whatever issues that they problems with.
 
sumbrownkid
Turkey is busy with the Syrian question right now, so you can consider them out of the picture.

Israel is definitely a military juggernaut, but this isn't the cold war anymore and her neighbors upgraded big time when it came to military hardware. The only country that I think would make Israel soil its pants though is Iran.
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& Even Iran wouldn't jump in just yet, if they truly are trying to get nukes, then they wouldn't jeopardize that.

If they jump in, then the US would pretty much have to jump in since Isreal is a close ally, and we have been waiting for Iran to do something crazy for a while.
 
sumbrownkid
I think the UN should have the world leaders come into an MMA ring and duke it out to solve whatever issues that they problems with.
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Sounds good to me! Actually, I'd like to see a return to Aaron Burr's style of politics. Yeah, seeing Ali Khamenei and Benjamin Netanyahu try to shoot each other in a duel would be very entertaining.
 
Iran has been incredibly disciplined, considering all of the Israeli sponsored assassinations taking place.

They probably wont get involved here.
 
When the US is trillions in debt, I would say we are broke. It's like that guy (we all know one) who borrows money from all of there friends. If you had 20k in credit card debt, but had another card you could continue to incur debt on, would you not considered yourself broke?
 
oopssorryy
When the US is trillions in debt, I would say we are broke. It's like that guy (we all know one) who borrows money from all of there friends. If you had 20k in credit card debt, but had another card you could continue to incur debt on, would you not considered yourself broke?
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Yeah, just watch how a broke country outspends the world on their military. Funny how that happens without any money, right? ;)

Anyhoo - I derailed the thread a bit, any further US Debt discussion should go to the America thread.

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On-Topic: I hope the US can stay out of this mess. Unfortunately I don't think peace between Israeli and Palestinian States can ever truly exist. One has to be eliminated one way or the other. That will probably never happen and that's why this fighting has been going on for thousands of years.
 

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