Israel - Palestine discussion thread

[Scaff]

IDF are deliberately targeting UN bases, as per the UN!

"UNIFIL confirmed two peacekeepers were wounded when an Israeli tank fired at an observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura, southern Lebanon.

Israeli “soldiers also fired on UN position (UNP) 1-31 in Ras Naqoura, hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system”, it said in a statement, adding an Israeli “drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance”.

On Wednesday, UNIFIL said Israeli soldiers “deliberately fired at” perimeter-monitoring cameras and disabled them.

“They also deliberately fired on UNP 1-32A, where regular Tripartite meetings were held before the conflict began, damaging lighting and a relay station,” it said. “Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law and of Security Council Resolution 1701.”"

Israeli forces fire on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) fired on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon early Thursday morning, according to UNIFIL, the mission operating along the Security Council-mandated “Blue Line” of separation between the two countries which they patrol.

news.un.org

Israel kills dozens in Gaza school attack, fires at UN positions in Lebanon

Ambulances continue to bring victims to a hospital in Deir el-Balah after an Israeli strike on a school shelter.

aje.io

 

[HenrySwanson]

Wonder what the US's thinking is here. (From 8th October)

 

[Liquid]

A pariah state that can't do no wrong because it's got big, hard mates.

Might is right...

 

[AlexWilmot]

IDF are deliberately targeting UN bases, as per the UN!

"UNIFIL confirmed two peacekeepers were wounded when an Israeli tank fired at an observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura, southern Lebanon.

Israeli “soldiers also fired on UN position (UNP) 1-31 in Ras Naqoura, hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system”, it said in a statement, adding an Israeli “drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance”.

On Wednesday, UNIFIL said Israeli soldiers “deliberately fired at” perimeter-monitoring cameras and disabled them.

“They also deliberately fired on UNP 1-32A, where regular Tripartite meetings were held before the conflict began, damaging lighting and a relay station,” it said. “Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law and of Security Council Resolution 1701.”"

Israeli forces fire on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) fired on UN peacekeepers in Lebanon early Thursday morning, according to UNIFIL, the mission operating along the Security Council-mandated “Blue Line” of separation between the two countries which they patrol.

news.un.org

Israel kills dozens in Gaza school attack, fires at UN positions in Lebanon

Ambulances continue to bring victims to a hospital in Deir el-Balah after an Israeli strike on a school shelter.

aje.io

They were told to evacuate their posts a week ago by the IDF

 

[Scaff]

They were told to evacuate their posts a week ago by the IDF

The last I checked the IDF doesn't have command authority over UN forces.

 

[AlexWilmot]

The last I checked the IDF doesn't have command authority over UN forces.

Yeah I know and UNFIL were meant to keep peace in Southern Lebanon. Which obviously has failed.

it’s not a surprise “attack” though

 

[Scaff]

Yeah I know and UNFIL were meant to keep peace in Southern Lebanon. Which obviously has failed.

Not quite, but please do explain how that would make a deliberate IDF attack on UNFIL locations and troops justified, or give any mandate to the IDF to order them to withdraw.

it’s not a surprise “attack” though

And?

I am, to be honest, quite amazed that you appear to be justifying and attempting to legitimise the IDF deliberately attacking the UN.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Poor slaves:

Lebanon: 'My employers locked me in the house when bombing started'

Domestic workers in Lebanon say they are being abandoned as their employers flee Israeli air strikes.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AlexWilmot]

I am, to be honest, quite amazed that you appear to be justifying and attempting to legitimise the IDF deliberately attacking the UN.

You can be amazed as that’s not what I said,

IDF told them to evacuate their posts in the area and it wasn’t a surprise attack on them.

 

[Liquid]

IDF told them to evacuate their posts

That has no bearing on what the UN peacekeepers do. Just because someone tells them that means they have to listen and obey? The Israeli Army doesn't have authority over UN forces. "Caught in the crossfire" isn't a valid excuse whether there was a 'warning' or not.

 

[AlexWilmot]

That has no bearing on what the UN peacekeepers do. Just because someone tells them that means they have to listen and obey? The Israeli Army doesn't have authority over UN forces. "Caught in the crossfire" isn't a valid excuse whether there was a 'warning' or not.

Caught in crossfire and deliberately targeting UN forces are two different things

 

[Liquid]

Caught in crossfire and deliberately targeting UN forces are two different things

And neither justify Israel's actions.

 

[Scaff]

You can be amazed as that’s not what I said,

You're excusing the inexcusable, the rest is semantics.

IDF told them to evacuate their posts in the area and it wasn’t a surprise attack on them.

Once again, the IDF doesn't have the mandate to do that, and it would have been a surprise as the IDF shouldn't be deliberately targeting UNFIL forces, doing so is a war crime.

Caught in crossfire and deliberately targeting UN forces are two different things

And the later is the reality based on the information available.

Once may be accidental, but three times isn't.

Wednesday saw the IDF take out monitoring cameras at the UNFIL HQ, Thursday saw a UNFIL observation tower at Naqoura directly hit, and Friday saw two explosions injure UNFIL troops at another observation tower.

It's also not as if they are hard to ID as UN locations.