Israel - Palestine discussion thread

[Blitz24]

Browsing the comment section on Israel Times related to this news seems to indicate this will be a deeply unpopular move in Israel. People seem to like Gallant more than Netanyahu at this point, and that's on the pro-war side.

100% it is a troubling move because he was seen as the voice of reason.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Smells like tribal spirit:

How Four Posts on Instagram Destroyed Her Life

On Oct. 7, an Israeli college student opened her phone. What she did next landed her in prison.

www.nytimes.com

In the 1950s, Jewish leaders were concerned that Nazareth might expand too far, so they drew a tight boundary around the city and established a new Jewish town, Nof HaGalil, right on its border, cinching the population in tightly.

There are jobs at a strip of factories to the north, making cabinets or truck bodies, but the tax district is drawn so that revenues flow not to the Arab areas, but to Nof HaGalil. This is one reason that the four-lane road that divides the two cities is actually a barrier between one political reality and another. On the Nazareth side, the streets are busy with activity, and seamstresses and electronics-repair shops dominate the first floors of the buildings, but the trash isn’t collected regularly, and there are hardly any public parks or playgrounds. On the Nof HaGalil side, a sterile quiet pervades, but the smoothly paved streets run past children playing in parks, and office buildings and shopping malls loom over the surrounding hills.

But that is not the whole story. Israel’s self-portrait as a democracy of all of its citizens was always in tension with its other mission, which was formalized in a Knesset bill in 2018: to be a “nation-state of the Jewish people.” In practice, this means that the government can never act against the interests of the Jewish majority, from the divvying up of tax dollars to the flow of clean water to the zoning of new towns. Arabs are citizens of the country of Israel, but not members of the Jewish nation — they are “citizen strangers,” as the George Washington University historian Shira Robinson has put it. “We don’t want them to be part of us,” Hillel Cohen, a professor of Islam and Middle East Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, told me, summarizing the mainstream position (which is not his personal view). “They can never be full Israelis.”

 

[HenrySwanson]

I'm sure no one could have seen this coming (if true):

Israel sends rescue planes after football fans reportedly attacked in Amsterdam

Israel’s national security ministry urges citizens in Dutch city to stay in their hotel rooms after ‘very violent’ incident’

www.theguardian.com

Spoiler: Language warning

 

[Scaff]

I'm sure no one could have seen this coming (if true):

That appears to be a rather one-sided view given the reports now coming out, and to be blunt seem driven by football hooligans' are idiots, as your second piece illustrates.

Al-Jazeera appear to offer a more balanced view.

Israeli football fans clash with protesters in Amsterdam

Details of incidents unclear, but Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters damaged Palestinian flags in city before match.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[p78]

You reap what you sow.

These Zionist truly don't understand how much a big part of the world hates them.

 

[Fezzik]

PR victory achieved. "Rescue planes" cancelled. Job done.

Meanwhile

Israel’s ousted defence minister, Yoav Gallant, has reportedly said the army has achieved all its objectives in Gaza and that Netanyahu rejected a hostages-for-peace deal against the advice of his own security establishment. Gallant was speaking to hostages’ families on Thursday, two days after being sacked by Netanyahu, and reports of his remarks quickly surfaced in Israeli media.

Israeli news article on that

After his firing, Gallant tells hostage families Netanyahu needlessly keeping IDF in Gaza

As dismissal takes effect, US expresses concern that coordination will be affected, Biden officials skeptical over PM's assurances he is not planning wider purge of security chiefs

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[sw3g005]

Christ... when even a defence minister who recently worked under Netanyahu goes against him, that's when you know this never was a war about defeating Hamas, it's a war of keeping Netanyahu in power while destroying Palestine and Palestinians in the process - or rather, if it wasn't obvious before it should be now. I doubt it'll change peoples' mind, but it'll 100% confirm what people has been saying since it started, especially given what his replacement is. Dude almost sounds more psychopathic than Netanyahu geez.

 

[Joey D]

These Zionist truly don't understand how much a big part of the world hates them.

They absolutely understand how much parts of the world hate them; they just brand it as antisemitism. My family gets it all the time from my wife's side. Several of her relatives are Zionists and claim that we are antisemitic because we don't unconditionally support Israel, and at worst, we support the Palestinians. It's gotten to the point where we don't even talk to parts of the family over it.