Kazunori Yamauchi IAmA @ Reddit (FINISHED)

[GranTurismo guy]

 

[twitcher]

I've got mixed emotions regarding this news about the standards. On one hand, I'm very excited to hear that many of my favourite models won't be dropped from GT7 because they are standards. On the other hand, I'm disappointed to learn that PD hasn't really taken any steps to start solving the issue of the standards, instead choosing to "leave well enough alone."

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world (err, GT), all cars would be premium. That said, since it seems PD are focused on other things rather than converting all the standards to premiums, I would much rather have the standard models in the game than have them dropped all together.

For me, the massive variety of cars is a large part of what sets GT apart from every other game. So yes, to some of you, I am chosing "quantity over quality". However, I would argue that, from my perspective, shiny graphics are quite low on my list of what makes a "quality racing game."

Physics
Car/Track selection
Features (livery editor, track creator, etc)
Graphic and Sound quality
User Interface



I really don't understand why people get so upset by the standards....if you hate them that much, don't look at them...quite simple really.


I do fully agree that the standards are an issue that needs to be addressed, and I am disappointed to hear that PD hasn't really made any strides in remedying this situation. Either they need to hire more staff, or outsource the standard to premium conversion project.

But, outright removal of the standard models at this point in time would basically spell the end of my GT days.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

@twitcher cars will be upgraded to premium

 

[IneedSchool]

I really don't understand why people get so upset by the standards....if you hate them that much, don't look at them...quite simple really.

...until we get into a real race where AI drivers/players online use cars that look like garbage compared to the next-gen quality of everything else.

 

[crowhop]

The ability to excuse something because it doesn't necessarily bother you, does not make it less of a problem than it actually is. Again, using assets that apparently were captured in 1999 (we'll just stick to my original findings of 2004 for consistency's sake) for a game that comes out in 2015/16/17 is a problem.

Besides that point, using the term "butthurt" as vehemently as most do around here screams of an inability to properly express oneself, and is no different that automatically dismissing something as "arcade", calling someone a fanboy, or any other such nonsense.

That was the point of my original post.

You're right. There needs to be a balance.
I agree with Samus and others and I do think it tacky and will be inferior that Standards as we think of them will likely be in GT7/PS4 in some form. I hope that isn't the case.

But I don't care what GT7 will look like. That's where my ability to excuse them comes from. Frankly, I don't know why folks are so livid about what could be in GT7. Not even one player here is locked into it in any form or fashion. If GT7 sucks, buy FM6 or AC2 or pCars2. Getting drummed up about it all 2 years before release seems so neurotic to me, I cannot even comprehend it. And I loved GT4 and GT5 and I'm in the fence about GT6 some days. I'm a fan of Gran Turismo and I even like Kaz, but I'm not buying his game unless it delivers the goods. And I don't feel compelled to gripe about everything I don't like in hopes of creating a change to some coming generation. I get sick of the constant bickering between the fanboys and the drama queens.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

I think a fair metaphor for why people are mad goes something like this:

Epic artist: oh wow, this car painting is looking great, if I say so myself. I'm proud of the detail I got into the ferraris wheels, and- oh wow the merc's headlights look stunning! Glad I added this beautiful Alfa.......
DAMN. I'm out of paint, and I still have a few cars I wanted to add! I really don't want to leave them out....
Well I still have these wax crayons, I will use these so I can add the cars and finish the painting!

Point: wax crayons ruin oil paintings, PD.

 

[NICKname]

Okay, could you define "flip-flopping"?
As the only thing I can image that means right now is @TokoTurismo wriggling all over his computer monitor........

flip-flop (fl

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n.
2. Informal A reversal, as of a stand or position.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flip-flop

 

[PaMu1337]

About the standard cars, there is one very important reason to drop them (even if you love them):
Standard cars will be a major point in reviews of the game (as it was in gt 5 and 6), and will lower the score. Bad reviews lead to lower sales, which means less money for PD, which will lead to lower quality for future games (or in the extreme case even the end of GT).

 

[Johnnypenso]

I really don't understand why people get so upset by the standards....if you hate them that much, don't look at them...quite simple really.

If you like standards, play them on GT5/6..quite simple really.

 

[Zlork]

If you like standards, play them on GT5/6..quite simple really.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Do try and keep to the topic or at least answer the post you quoted. Posting pointless, off topic memes is quite childish.

 

[Ameer67]

Do try and keep to the topic or at least answer the post you quoted. Posting pointless, off topic memes is quite childish.

I think we was applying the meme to what you said about driving standards in GT5 or 6. They both have the same ideas.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I think we was applying the meme to what you said about driving standards in GT5 or 6. They both have the same ideas.

And this has what to do with internet access and the 360?

 

[carracerptp]

If you like standards, play them on GT5/6..quite simple really.

But I want to use standards with GT7 physics and tracks?

Really I can't believe they are still in but I'll take them over the current premium car list. It still is lacking in odd, slow cars.

 

[Ameer67]

And this has what to do with internet access and the 360?

Maybe this would help you understand what I'm trying to say:

 

[Griffith500]

Ooh, info. I enjoyed that.


Also, Standards are staying; I'm pretty sure we're all adult enough to deal with that. I think it's about time PD added a wee switch in the options menu.

 

[Johnnypenso]

But I want to use standards with GT7 physics and tracks?

Really I can't believe they are still in but I'll take them over the current premium car list. It still is lacking in odd, slow cars.

We will all make individual choices. I'm trying to see the bigger picture and a couple of others I think are doing the same thing. Are you concerned about how it will make GT7 look in the next gen marketplace? Surely no reviewer will miss pointing out the worst standard models and since they've been praising PD's car modeling and track selection for ages, the focus will be on what was missing/wrong with GT5/6 and if it's not fixed in GT7 they'll be all over it. If GT7 is trashed in reviews because of standard cars/tracks, slightly better but not state of the art AI, better but not great sounds, how many people that didn't buy GT6 will flip and buy a PS4 and GT7? It's not just the hurdle of selling another game, for many people it has to be a new console + a game, a whole different decision.

 

[Griffith500]

I'm honestly not bothered about the "cool kids" trying to convince everyone what the "done thing" is these days.

That's Sony's issue. They're taking the bigger risk.

If the game is fun for me, I'll be happy.

 

[twitcher]

If you like standards, play them on GT5/6..quite simple really.

@Zlork and @Ameer67 gave the perfect response to this with their Xbox memes. "Don't like it, play GT5/6" is quite a childish response in my opinion...

But I want to use standards with GT7 physics and tracks?

Really I can't believe they are still in but I'll take them over the current premium car list. It still is lacking in odd, slow cars.

This

Ooh, info. I enjoyed that.


Also, Standards are staying; I'm pretty sure we're all adult enough to deal with that. I think it's about time PD added a wee switch in the options menu.

This too

An option for lobby hosts to allow "premiums only" would solve all the problems of those who wish to not look at standards.

We will all make individual choices. I'm trying to see the bigger picture and a couple of others I think are doing the same thing. Are you concerned about how it will make GT7 look in the next gen marketplace? Surely no reviewer will miss pointing out the worst standard models and since they've been praising PD's car modeling and track selection for ages, the focus will be on what was missing/wrong with GT5/6 and if it's not fixed in GT7 they'll be all over it. If GT7 is trashed in reviews because of standard cars/tracks, slightly better but not state of the art AI, better but not great sounds, how many people that didn't buy GT6 will flip and buy a PS4 and GT7? It's not just the hurdle of selling another game, for many people it has to be a new console + a game, a whole different decision.

I agree that standards could hurt the reviews of GT7, if marketing isn't handled properly. I also think the absence of all the models represented exclusively as standards could hurt reviews/sales of GT7 as well.

How many people who have purchased GT5 and/or 6 because their favourite car(s) was(were) in the game (as a standard), would not purchase GT7 if they found out their favourites were removed from the game?



I too am trying to look at the big picture; what is best for the most amount of players, what is best for the franchise. In my opinion, removal of the standards will hurt the franchise more than including them will. It's the lesser of two evils. A crappy situation to be in, but it's where we are.


Johnny, I usually respect most of what you say on these forums, even if I disagree, as your posts are usually thought out and well written. But this time, I have to flat out dismiss your reply to me as nonsense.

How can you say you're thinking of the big picture, what's best for everyone, when your immediate response to me was "don't like it, go play another game". Very "my way or the highway," no?

 

[lTwiSparkle]

Just pointing out that the advocates for the inclusion of options in GT all feel that an option for Standards is out of the question! Funny, really.

For offline:
Option to have AI Cars use Premiums only
Option to have AI Cars use both Premiums/Standards
Enough Premiums to mean that someone can complete the career in Premiums only

For online:
Option to make a lobby Premium only, and an option to filter the displayed lobbies to these types only

There. Sorted.

Can we please get back to having fun, now?

 

[PaMu1337]

Just pointing out that the advocates for the inclusion of options in GT all feel that an option for Standards is out of the question! Funny, really.

For offline:
Option to have AI Cars use Premiums only
Option to have AI Cars use both Premiums/Standards
Enough Premiums to mean that someone can complete the career in Premiums only

For online:
Option to make a lobby Premium only, and an option to filter the displayed lobbies to these types only

There. Sorted.

You would think that would sort it, but people will then be complaining that they can't use their favourite car in any online lobby, because they all ban standards (which is what would likely happen).

I still think they should just dump them all, and upgrade a few (say 50-100) of the most popular ones to full premium. They already have a load of semi-premium cars, they would be a lot less work to convert to full premium now.

 

[Brend]

R.I.P. GT franchise. It was nice knowing you since defenders doesn't want me and others helping you to improve.

Pretty sure the fate of the GT series is in the hands of those who develop it, not so much members of a fansite giving opinions.

Also, why is Reddit chosen for this kind of stuff? Can't stand that website.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Ooh, info. I enjoyed that.


Also, Standards are staying; I'm pretty sure we're all adult enough to deal with that. I think it's about time PD added a wee switch in the options menu.

If there is an "options Menu" that guarantees a game without standards and without compromise then I'm all for it.
Pretty sure that's not going to be the case.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

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Some highlights that the News section didn't cover. 👍

I'm pretty sure Kaz is 110% done with us.

 

[JohnScoonsBeard]

I'm honestly not bothered about the "cool kids" trying to convince everyone what the "done thing" is these days.

That's Sony's issue. They're taking the bigger risk.

If the game is fun for me, I'll be happy.

That's very true. For me I'm currently unable to commit to much regular online racing that I used to do in GT5 due to looking after my 2 young children. I have had to move to using the offline racing and time trials in GT6 for the last few months. However I need better racing than that and have finally bitten the bullet. I bought 8 year old PC sim GTR2 to try on an old PC and downloaded about 150 brilliant modded tracks. The graphics are still pretty good and all cars have excellent cockpits (more on that later). The hugely customisable racing options are absolutely brilliant. in fact PD could just copy those as they are because they are light years ahead of any Gran Turismo game. I'm still dipping into GT6 regularly but not for as long. Aside from the above what keeps drawing me into GTR2 again and again are 2 main things.

1 The sound is quite brilliant on every car. Everything is configurable to how loud you want the brakes/road noise/suspension creaks/engine etc to be. It makes you want to turn on just to experience the roar. Changing gear sounds great too.

2 The Force Feedback is equally good once my Dfgt was correctly configured. I thought it was pretty good on GT6 but connecting it to GTR2 takes FFB to a whole new level of involvement and realism.

Driving in that oldish game is so good that it doesn't matter if I win a race or come last, miles off the pace. It's pure fun.

This makes me think again of the standards debate. While my choice would be no standards in GT7 (or GT6 for that matter) I now think if the racing and sounds are great I could live with the standards that remain (but please put a damn bonnet in front).

I really hope GT6 gets some improved racing/field selection options along with scaleable AI soon. It desperately needs them seeing as sound is not likely to improve drastically until GT7.

I'll definitely buy GT7 when it arrives (already got a PS4 gathering dust). Beforehand I will certainly be buying Project Cars on PS4 too. I really want to love driving in Gran Turismo the way I love GTR2 right now. I guess that's what makes me and many others on here fans of Gran Turismo because we do still care. We want PD to do well and for GT to be as good as it possibly can be.

 

[carracerptp]

We will all make individual choices. I'm trying to see the bigger picture and a couple of others I think are doing the same thing. Are you concerned about how it will make GT7 look in the next gen marketplace? Surely no reviewer will miss pointing out the worst standard models and since they've been praising PD's car modeling and track selection for ages, the focus will be on what was missing/wrong with GT5/6 and if it's not fixed in GT7 they'll be all over it. If GT7 is trashed in reviews because of standard cars/tracks, slightly better but not state of the art AI, better but not great sounds, how many people that didn't buy GT6 will flip and buy a PS4 and GT7? It's not just the hurdle of selling another game, for many people it has to be a new console + a game, a whole different decision.

Yes, but for people like me that like all those car, not having them would be a just as bad. I'm sure Sony has a marketing team with the skill to hide it under the rug. They know what happened with GT5 and GT6.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

@Zlork and @Ameer67 gave the perfect response to this with their Xbox memes. "Don't like it, play GT5/6" is quite a childish response in my opinion...

And telling people with a legitimate issue, "Don't like X? Just ignore it." isn't equally childish how?

 

[Ameer67]

I think some people took this post the wrong way:

Maybe this would help you understand what I'm trying to say:

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I was trying to clear up what @Zlork in response to @Johnnypenso:

The idea of the meme is that if you don't have/like/dislike/whatever X, then stick with Y or Z. That's not what you're supposed to tell your consumers. You want people to hop onto the new and get off the old.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

And telling people with a legitimate issue, "Don't like X? Just ignore it." isn't equally childish how?

Both sides are childish, the pro-PD/GT side (that is unequivocally unable to see or understand why people are irritated) isn't special. You know, when they tell people that have issues to just go buy something else because there can't possibly be anything wrong with GT or at least not to a large enough extent to complain

 

[CarloPlaya]

Why the **** can't you people accept that there are people with differing opinions to yours and try not to convince them to have them agree with you?

Some people like the the standards in GT7, some people would freaking rip their eyes out if they'd ever see one. Why do you all have to be contrary to another and not discuss the fact that PD is actually starting to communicate with the fans (yes, us) after years and years of being unbelievably passive on the social media front? And why, of all threads, do you pick the very thread that should discuss the reddit AMA and its meaning to the future of GT to measure your virtual penises against one another just to have some people you don't know finally agreeing with your points about a freaking video game?

There are thousands of posts in relevant threads about the Standard/Premium issue in GT6 and even ongoing in GT7. Just close this thread, nothing good will come out of it.