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7 new real cars... Yet we STILL don't see anymore modern real cars like the McLaren P1. Oh well, carry on the discussion.
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Modelling gt vision cars takes time and people. People, who could work on adding real cars instead. Besides, i like gt vision cars and never said that, they are bad or anything. I said that they aren't as important as you think in my opinion. Anyway this was my last post, because it isn't on topic.
Anyway... I liked the AMA, because it had some good answers and shows me that Kaz finally interacts with the community.
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We got the M4, we got the newest Toyota proto that we were allowed. You were unhappy about not getting real cars, we're getting real cars. Don't now get upset because you're being picky.
Doesn't take a genius to work out that if some car modelers are working on vision cars they have less time to work on real cars. Obviously not all the modelers are working on vision cars but some are, meaning slightly less real cars.
7 cars in 7 months is not particularly impressive even if it is better than GT5.
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I disagree that a game needs a thousand cars to have a decent variety on the grid. A well selected roster of cars in sensible classes is capable of doing everything that a monstrous list of cars is, duplicate bollocks notwithstanding.
Even with the 1200 cars it has, GT6 sometimes struggles to fill out fields with equivalent performance cars. It's not about numbers, it's about sensible selection.
I'm not saying that I want grids full of the same car either, but to suggest that it's an inevitable result of reducing the car list is a strawman.
GT6 already suffers from some pretty weird choices of what to premiumise. I think with no standards propping them up, they might have to sit down and plan out exactly what cars they want in the game, how they would fit together in fields on the grid, and how they would cover the range of both recently released new cars that people might be buying and old classics.
GT6 solves the problem (sort of) through sheer volume, and it's not the only solution. The GT car list appears to be designed by someone saying "that's a cool car, let's put it in!", instead of "we need another car to fill out the field of '90s sports saloons, what's the best thing we don't have yet?"
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And having that new Toyota means that they didn't have time to model a new Ferrari and having the M4 means we don't have the 2015 Mustang already. Plus them adding the redbull ring means they didn't spend that time making an updated Seattle circuit.
Looking at new content like that means you won't be happy with 95% of what gets added and you'll only have yourself to blame for the disappointment.
I don't know, 7 free new real cars is pretty good for a team that's also working on a new game.
But the argument is real cars vs concept cars, not real cars vs real cars. Of course you can't be happy with every new car but the point was some people prefer ANY real car over a concept and PD modelers working on vision cars means less real cars, whatever they may be.
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Not being picky. Just saying the VGT cars are taking up half the car modelers time to model real cars. The M4 came in December 2013, and the Toyota showed up in June... That was a 7 month wait for ANY "real" new cars to be added if you exclude the VGT cars.
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That's a racecar though...but but but...
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and so is the Toyota, they're both still real cars...never mind...you just keep moving the goal post.
You're right, some people prefer any real car over a concept (personally I don't want just any real car over a concept...but if I had to choose I'd take a real car most of the time) but others don't. It's a toss up so PD might as well just make what they're going to make because either way you're going to end up disappointing someone while making someone else happy.
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Oh pffft, you got me there.
But still, not enough real world cars. This, is what happens when a developer doesn't outsource his/her staff.
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I want the P1's replacement concept, but no VGT for Mclaren
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I'm sure they all would have loved to have the budget of GT6 as well.
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Sorry, none of those quotes prove the specific point I was asking about. Try again if you think you can come up with something on point.
To your second point, "only a fool wouldn't want those cars", let's discuss that in more detail. PD models their own cars, we all know this. For each VGT car produced I think we can safely say it's close to replacing one real car being reproduced especially if it has an interior. So tell me, knowing the tradeoff is about 1:1, what % of the community here at GTP do you think, in your personal opinion, would trade 30 VGT cars for 30 new premium real life road and race cars?
See it's not so simple is it? We aren't getting many real life cars and there's a cost to that. Not everyone likes the concepts, and it's easy to say, "don't drive them then", but they replace real cars we could be getting and to some people, many I suspect, that's important.
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Forza's got the whole P1 launch on lock. We probably won't see it until GT7.
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Hardly. Grid: Autosport just released and it has the P1 in it. It's also in NfS: Rivals.
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Yikes!
No way T10 would do that.
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And I quote:
Yikes!
You should see what those bastards over at EA are doing...
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You have evidence of them making game specific exclusive deals then? Last I checked they owned a license, and anyone willing to pay the money was welcome to use it. Ie. Business 101.
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Why was I quoted?
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Guys please remember what kaz said; VGTs are made by the manufactures and PD has no control over their release or reveal dates. PD -Do Not- make the VGTs.
They make the 3D models. He meant they have no control over the car being designed and ready to model in game.
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There was also a lexus added, don't forget the lexus...
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But need more road cars. 
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