Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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MonoTonouS
Yeah but I litteraly had 12 Gr b genisis coups and over 20 renault clio Rs's . I have gotten better cars from teh current system and would much rather 5,000 credits than a dupe of a econocar . I kept all my unsellable giftcars expecting PD might one day allow me to sell them , so i can go back and count how much duplicate garbage i got. Well over 100 cars
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I'm not sure what you mean by "better cars". In GT Sport I could buy any Gr.3, Gr.2, or Gr.1 car without grinding. I just played the game, doing what I felt like. Sure, after a while you got more dupes, but that's because we already had most of the cars over time. To get the same in GT7 I would have to grind often and daily.
 
Scaff
Not really, given that two months before GT Sports release he stated quite clearly that GT Sport would not have Microtransactions.

www.gtplanet.net

GT Sport Will Not Feature Any Microtransactions

With just over two months to go until GT Sport's release, Kazunori Yamauchi has revealed more on the game. Speaking at the PlayStation Experience event in Malaysia, the series creator confirmed GT Sport will not feature microtransactions. Originally questioned by Gema Show Indo, Kazunori Yamauchi
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Neither title should have had them, and it's arguable that when the presence of them was accepted, and people bought them in GT Sport (because people most certainly did) the groundwork was laid for the more predatory approach we are seeing today. I will be honest, I am surprised at just how damn aggressive they are and how much Sony/PD/Kaz seems to have doubled down on them.
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Fair enough. I will admit that I hadn't even turned my ps4 on for 2 years or so before getting Sport around March 2020. So all of that was in place and I wasn't aware of the broken promise. My point though was that if they must exist, then that was a far better model and the economy gave you plenty of options that they would have only been necessary for the really impatient ones. I never used them and toggled the option to not offer them, so although I knew they existed I gave them little thought.

You are right though, it seems that if given an inch on backlash or lack of regarding mtx they will take a mile. Or quite a few miles in this case.
 
Famine
I've always understood the term to mean any payment of real-world money to acquire an in-game currency, however it seems that there's a general evolution of it to mean any real-world payment for a digitally delivered item.

This, incidentally, would make all paid DLC a "microtransaction" and in fact any game download too - so technically if you bought GT Sport digitally, it's a microtransaction.
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I've always understood it to mean paying to acquire something in-game that doesn't necessarily need to be acquired with real money. Cars that are in the base game and can be acquired through playing (regardless of how difficult or time consuming) that are then bought with real money. That's a microtransaction.

A paid DLC is instead something that adds onto the base game. A car that someone without the DLC cannot acquire through any means.

Of course, that's just my understanding, maybe it's wrong.
 
Famine
I've always understood the term to mean any payment of real-world money to acquire an in-game currency, however it seems that there's a general evolution of it to mean any real-world payment for a digitally delivered item.

This, incidentally, would make all paid DLC a "microtransaction" and in fact any game download too - so technically if you bought GT Sport digitally, it's a microtransaction.
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Yes, but actually no. The terms "microtransactions" and DLC often get used interchangeably but that's not the way they started out, nor how a lot of people view them.

In the era of the internet and game companies offering expanded content beyond their base game, it became known as DLC, simply because it was content you could download, as opposed to selling you another disk named "Generic Game version 1.2 story expansion". In the world of shooters it would be extra maps, maybe a new class and weaponry or vehicles. In a racing title it would be cars, tracks and races/championships that fall under DLC. Basically content that expands upon the base game without being significant enough to call the base game version 2.0.

The term "microtransaction" covers things that are not tied to or intrinsic to the base game, what I mean by that is, purchase is not required to experience the game to it's fullest. In games like Shooters that's skins, both character skins and weapons, as well as things like loot boxes and in - game currency. In a racing title the term may very well cover cars al la GT Sport, or in game currency al la GT 7.

Other games offer different things in different ways that all fall under microtransactions but could be considered by some as DLC, are battle passes DLC or Microtransactions? An important question is whether the digitally delivered item could be earned or unlocked through normal gameplay. In sport, all cars were purchasable, therefore they were microtransactions and not paid for downloadable content.

Just as an example, a game like world of warcraft offers a bunch of items and services in their in-game shop. Character level boosts, Faction Changes, Mounts, pets, cosmetics etc, etc. None of these would be classed as DLC, they are microtransactions. Albeit, arguably expensive ones. The expansions that released over the years would not be considered DLC either, but are also not "microtransactions". As they are fully fledged releases. However, should Activision Blizzard start charging for PvP Maps, Raids, Dungeons and Storylines within the life of an expansion, those would be considered DLC.
 
Now plummeted to a measly 1.8. I can't even keep up.


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"In the final part of the statement, Yamauchi adds that he wishes he could share more, and that he’d like people to “watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view”."

This is the point that annoys me the most to be honest.

He COULD share more, he chooses not to.
There's not even an update roadmap - that alone would put to bed a lot of peoples frsutrations.
 
BroncosXR8
"In the final part of the statement, Yamauchi adds that he wishes he could share more, and that he’d like people to “watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view”."

This is the point that annoys me the most to be honest.

He COULD share more, he chooses not to.
There's not even an update roadmap - that alone would put to bed a lot of peoples frsutrations.
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Indeed. "Please watch over the game as a long term project, but I'm not going to give you any motivation to do so by actually telling you what the future holds".
 
BroncosXR8
"In the final part of the statement, Yamauchi adds that he wishes he could share more, and that he’d like people to “watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view”."

This is the point that annoys me the most to be honest.

He COULD share more, he chooses not to.
There's not even an update roadmap - that alone would put to bed a lot of peoples frsutrations.
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I suspect that's partly because he

a) doesn't want to publicly commit to making changes as a reaction to the outrage because he doesn't want to concede that the players have any influence over PD's decision making, or;
b) doesn't want to anger the playerbase by revealing that the future updates are actually quite unsubstantial in light of this issue, or;
c) doesn't want to anger the playerbase by revealing that the future updates plan to could further exploit the players with more overpriced content, or;
d) doesn't want to commit to updates because they aren't ready

Either way - he wants the players to keep playing without making any concessions to them.
 
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MockngBrd
Now plummeted to a measly 1.8. I can't even keep up.


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It saddens and almost pains me to see this... A game of a franchise I love and have been anticipating for so long to come down to this.

Obviously most people are not being "logical" about the critics and are just giving 1 and 0s on the game. But this on the one side shows how furious the fans are with the game. The game really reached propotions that should've never even been dreamt of.
So I totally understand why people are rating it like that.

From a more analytical and critical points of view, GT7 is either a 5-6 out of 10. Not any higher than that. But what PD did to it with the latest updates, it deserves the 1 and 0s it's getting.
PS: I haven't rated it yet on the site.
 
BossBattle
I have thought about this. Even tying in with Hagerty feels kind of “classist” with the real values and the expensive microtransactions. This is a video game after all.

Hagerty members also apparently get a free Legendary car per year, which didn’t seem like a big deal at all until I realized how expensive these cars really were. How about you give the free legendary car to all users per year (after a task) instead of patting Hagerty members on the back.
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I use Hagerty to insure my Celica GT4 IRL. When I started my full-coverage policy I was under 25, had one moving violation on my record, set up a 5000 mile annual limit (which is high for collector policies), had no garage and could only park in the driveway, added the drivers club subscription, and am a young male.

With all these factors stacked against me, my policy is only ~$270 a month, but with a cheaper car (Kei car would be a great example), lower mileage allotment, me being older, and with no ticket on my record, I could probably easily get a policy for under 75, maybe even 50/month.

The drivers club subscription is only $45 annually. The MTX price for one car is literally more than what you could be paying Hagerty for a monthly insurance payment, or more than four times the price of their driver’s club subscription. It’s absurd.



I’m someone who actually thinks the matching in game prices to that of real world car prices is cool and immersive, but the in-game economy needs to make those prices attainable. Whatever PD has done in GT7 is psychotic and sad. There are plenty of ways to make legend cars or their equivalent credits attainable, and they’ve taken every approach possible to make them unattainable with gameplay.

  • Extreme challenges/championships/missions with extreme payouts
  • Rewarding a legendary car for an extreme challenge or major completion milestone (25/50/75/100%, etc)
  • Having good end game events that have either very strict entry requirements, significantly longer length, extra strong AI (even if it’s artificial/rubber banded), or all of the above that have actual rewards and not pennies for their payouts

All of these are possible as we’ve seen this implemented to some extent in campaign/missions or custom race options. It’s literally just throwing some Anyone who thinks this wasn’t a design decision to encourage purchasing of microtransactions is blind.

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Also, side note, metacritic user score has GT7 only 5 spots away from being on the final page of their entire catalogue of games in their system. The majority of that last page is recent EA sports games, or other notorious titles from publishers like Ubisoft or Activision, all of which were grossly impacted by greedy MTX and are almost universally hated. This had better be a wake up call to PD.
 
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BroncosXR8
"In the final part of the statement, Yamauchi adds that he wishes he could share more, and that he’d like people to “watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view”."

This is the point that annoys me the most to be honest.

He COULD share more, he chooses not to.
There's not even an update roadmap - that alone would put to bed a lot of peoples frsutrations.
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Never buy a game day one in this age of gaming, even if it's your favorite franchise. I was tired to wait for updates in GT5, GT6 and GTSport. I want a complete game, I'll wait a few more months before buying GT7.
 
Quakebass
I use Hagerty to insure my Celica GT4 IRL. When I started my full-coverage policy I was under 25, had one moving violation on my record, set up a 5000 mile annual limit (which is high for collector policies), had no garage and could only park in the driveway, added the drivers club subscription, and am a young male.

With all these factors stacked against me, my policy is only ~$270 a month, but with a cheaper car (Kei car would be a great example), lower mileage allotment, me being older, and with no ticket on my record, I could probably easily get a policy for under 75, maybe even 50/month.

The drivers club subscription is only $45 annually. The MTX price for one car is literally more than what you could be paying Hagerty for a monthly insurance payment, or more than four times the price of their driver’s club subscription. It’s absurd.



I’m someone who actually thinks the matching in game prices to that of real world car prices is cool and immersive, but the in-game economy needs to make those prices attainable. Whatever PD has done in GT7 is psychotic and sad. There are plenty of ways to make legend cars or their equivalent credits attainable, and they’ve taken every approach possible to make them unattainable with gameplay.

  • Extreme challenges/championships/missions with extreme payouts
  • Rewarding a legendary car for an extreme challenge or major completion milestone (25/50/75/100%, etc)
  • Having good end game events that have either very strict entry requirements, significantly longer length, extra strong AI (even if it’s artificial/rubber banded), or all of the above that have actual rewards and not pennies for their payouts

All of these are possible as we’ve seen this implemented to some extent in campaign/missions or custom race options. It’s literally just throwing some UI together. You’re blind if you think this wasn’t a design decision to encourage purchasing of microtransactions.

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Also, side note, metacritic user score has GT7 only 5 spots away from being on the final page of their entire catalogue of games in their system. The majority of that last page is recent EA sports games, or other notorious titles from publishers like Ubisoft or Activision, all of which were grossly impacted by greedy MTX and are almost universally hated. This had better be a wake up call.
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I agree with you. I want to clarify my Hagerty point though:

It’s important to point out that most Hagerty customers insure extra cars through the company. Generally, that ＄XYZ amount per month is being paid in addition to the one or two daily drivers that households (in the USA) may have. 5,000 miles a year is generally not enough miles for a daily driven car.

It’s kind of like saying “Oh, the mortgage for a beach house isn’t so bad” until you realize that’s money being paid on top the mortgage you have on your primary residence along with all of the other costs/maintenance/etc associated with it. It’s safe to say that the average Hagerty customer is generally older and more “well-to-do” than your average automotive insurance customer since they are insuring a classic car.
 
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BroncosXR8
"In the final part of the statement, Yamauchi adds that he wishes he could share more, and that he’d like people to “watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view”."

This is the point that annoys me the most to be honest.

He COULD share more, he chooses not to.
There's not even an update roadmap - that alone would put to bed a lot of peoples frsutrations.
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I think a lot of us were stunned when Kaz came out after the server debacle to threw gasoline on the fire by nerfing some payouts and delivering a tone deaf sermon.

So what’s coming next in Kaz’s real-world simulation? Sales taxes? Wealth taxes? Accelerated engine wear? Fading paint? Vandalism damage? Maybe our in-game credits will be converted to rubles overnight.
 
Look at his pompous face, I wonder what the Gtplanet staff hav Said or Will say to Kaz on how to fix this game and it's false economy
 

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BroncosXR8
"In the final part of the statement, Yamauchi adds that he wishes he could share more, and that he’d like people to “watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view”."

This is the point that annoys me the most to be honest.

He COULD share more, he chooses not to.
There's not even an update roadmap - that alone would put to bed a lot of peoples frsutrations.
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It's all clear. There's a reason why the company is called PolyPHONY Digital.
 
queleuleu
Never buy a game day one in this age of gaming, even if it's your favorite franchise. I was tired to wait for updates in GT5, GT6 and GTSport. I want a complete game, I'll wait a few more months before buying GT7.
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Dude, it's not months you will have to wait but years.

The overall singleplayer experience is crappy as hell, they missed it from A to Z.
It's not like the game could be corrected just by adding some events right away.

The game experience is not designed as it should be.
We should start with few cars and progress through beginner events to endurance events making our own choice of cars and tuning in respect of events regulations. Which implies fair rewards too to ensure a proper progression and fun, yes, just fun.

Actually the game drop 100 cars in your face through Café after 10 to 15 hours of gameplay and then, nothing, absolutely nothing.
Oh yes, Kaz said the game is long term bla bla bla... it's not professional, not serious at all. Period.
 
queleuleu
Never buy a game day one in this age of gaming, even if it's your favorite franchise. I was tired to wait for updates in GT5, GT6 and GTSport. I want a complete game, I'll wait a few more months before buying GT7.
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They are never complete and even if they do there are PD's issues that got overlooked due to everyone blinded by nostalgia.
 
Gran turismo 7 was for me an 8,5/10 when it launched, but that was before i know how short the cafe was, and completly lack of many races on the tracks, and the nerfed money also plays a factor a little dissapointing, i like the idea of cafe just to short, now the game is 7/10 for me, becouse their is also good parts like the customization and car detail is better than it ever has been in previous titles, more races on the tracks needs an update fast, more championchips, i don’t care for the new cars and tracks at the moment, if they come its good, but for me the races is what needs to be updated the most, and get races with better payouts otherwise we won’t be able to touch some of the cars at the legends dealerchip, i hope we get a new update soon to fix this, i would like it before the end of march but we will have to see, i will however still play the game as their is aspects of the game that i do like a lot, but might play something else if its not get updated the next few weeks, might puck up dying light 2. If they do resolve those issues and Bring more ways to earn roulettes the game will be back at 8,5 for me
 
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BroncosXR8
"In the final part of the statement, Yamauchi adds that he wishes he could share more, and that he’d like people to “watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view”."

This is the point that annoys me the most to be honest.

He COULD share more, he chooses not to.
There's not even an update roadmap - that alone would put to bed a lot of peoples frsutrations.
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Don’t get your hopes up about what he’s talking about, he might mean the microtransactions might go on sale in the future. 😂
 

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