Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

[wicken]

Considering the backlash, I highly doubt that they will reverse their decision to put the old credit rewards.
The way I see them resolving this with either some sort of daily bonus like we had in the past to increase the rewards or the return of seasonal events. I wouldn't consider releasing new events with some decent payouts as a surprise because that is to be expected.

 

[Rudenut]

Apparently cheaters are using scripts now because they see the game is unfair. I don't even....

Gran Turismo 7 Players Use AFK Exploit To Farm Millions Like Capitalism Intended

Players have found a way to bypass GT7’s microtransaction grind

kotaku.com

Good for them. I mean, it's better than simping for a multibillion dollar company I guess.

 

[kraftwerkd]

Considering the backlash, I highly doubt that they will reverse their decision to put the old credit rewards.
The way I see them resolving this with either some sort of daily bonus like we had in the past to increase the rewards or the return of seasonal events. I wouldn't consider releasing new events with some decent payouts as a surprise because that is to be expected.

I'm half-expecting them to double down on crappy payouts for future events.

 

[ruggermole]

There's definitely enough for a class action as it stands, if there's a lawyer who fancies getting his name in the papers.

I've thought about it a lot but I'd have to find a lawyer in California to associate with (I have cousins who are members of the bar out there but I doubt they'd want to spend their time on this) plus you'd also have to recruit people for the class action and go through the entire process just for the end goal of getting Sony to fix their stupid game. Like, I actually think there might be an express warranty case but a class action when all people lost was $70-100 feels like a waste of time.

 

[Jmlp7290]

Kids these days (my generation) seem to be hopelessly addicted to the new live-service model of being drip-fed content throughout a game's "life cycle", that could easily have been present in the release version like it would have been ten years ago. Personally it just seems like more incentive to wait until a year after release, when the game is available at an 80% reduction, to jump in and enjoy a finished product.

I'll be real guys, ive'd never ever been so excited about a games coming release, to be such a b.s experience. In all honesty i feel like i been robbed of my hard earned cash. So much disrespect for all the fuzz and hype on this games previews makes me feel like ived bought a bootleg version of GT7 i hope PD hears and sincerely feels our agony on the grave error of their actions towards potential future consumers

 

[ruggermole]

I'll be real guys, ive'd never ever been so excited about a games coming release, to be such a b.s experience. In all honesty i feel like i been robbed of my hard earned cash. So much disrespect for all the fuzz and hype on this games previews makes me feel like ived bought a bootleg version of GT7 i hope PD hears and sincerely feels our agony on the grave error of their actions towards potential future consumers

yeah, as someone who doesn't really game, this was the first time I've been super excited for a video game in over a decade. The first rule Horus were amazing and then it was like well I guess I'll go back to other things now.

 

[Jmlp7290]

Not good enough. The game was incomplete, I thought oh its a new GT game, we won't have so many problems at launch like the usual. Boy was I wrong.

They spent time developing a beautiful dynamic time and weather system only to have 2 30 minutes ''endurance'' races hidden in the missions. The potential for further events is there.

Thats my thoughts on it too well said

yeah, as someone who doesn't really game, this was the first time I've been super excited for a video game in over a decade. The first rule Horus were amazing and then it was like well I guess I'll go back to other things now.

Yes i think i rather go back to playing GT SPORT it honestly feels uch smother in graphics and overall game feel sad but true dont get me wrong i like the fact you can customize and tune to the extent you want your dream car as much as it can but i think PD really needs to get it together

 

[tonystarks131]

You put it into words beautifully! Just this. that's what I want

GT4 Events

gran-turismo.fandom.com

I want, and what I was expecting, was a "career mode/world map" of events something of this size and scope. As it stands, we got a TINY sliver of what was included in a game nearly 20 years old.

 

[Jmlp7290]

I've thought about it a lot but I'd have to find a lawyer in California to associate with (I have cousins who are members of the bar out there but I doubt they'd want to spend their time on this) plus you'd also have to recruit people for the class action and go through the entire process just for the end goal of getting Sony to fix their stupid game. Like, I actually think there might be an express warranty case but a class action when all people lost was $70-100 feels like a waste of time.

Yeah well i currently live in mexico and 70 -100 is a persons weeks salary food for thought guys i would very much like my hard earned cash that i literally pain stakenly had to save for a few months. To get such bs

 

[787B GT4]

I hate to be the one who anticipates a sealed fate (especially for my all time favorite franchise) But I believe what we are seeing here is the immediate end of Gran Turismo and Polyphony Digital if drastic and immediate measures aren't taken ASAP, and so far what we've seen is complete and utter ignorance and attempts to play their playerbase for fools.

The reason I believe this is because I've been playing GT since the very beginning as a small child and there has never once in history been an outrage this far wide and so outside of inner GT circles. What we are seeing here is complete corporate overreach completely disregarding respect for a 25 year old franchise by releasing a very clearly unfinished game and giving players a lack of options for obtaining end game content besides unrealistic grinds or opening up their wallets and paying 4X what they paid for the game for a singular car..

That is egregiousness at and well beyond the worst offenders in the scene such as Blizzard, EA, Activision etc and this could honestly be a F2P game with its current business model.. But then you remember it's a full priced AAA title..

I'll admit that I was too a sucker and preordered because I'm a naive kid at heart when it comes to Gran Turismo and have always had the "never my GT" attitude and seen Kazunori as a god in my eyes as he made my awful childhood worth living. So much so that I bought a PS4 Pro just for GT Sport and was thrilled when I found out 7 would also be on 4 and immediately preordered.

I absolutely can't lie. This is the most disappointed I've ever been with Sony and Polyphony Digital, and as someone who still has a deep love and attachment with GT since I've been a kid it breaks my heart. 1.07 almost got me teared up a few times when I started to see the extreme backlash and remembered how GT used to be so long ago.. Regardless of who's fault it is, whether it be Kaz or Sony both could have seen the unmitigated disaster that's occurring and prevented it but neither did and then Kaz made it worse with his statement..

I can only hope they have plans in motion as we speak because when Muta from SOG starts making videos about it you know it's truly egregious and bad.. The worst part in all of this is that I can see the love for this game was there as usual.. But in un-Polyphony like fashion seems to be unfinished, rushed out the door and with very poor thought given to the economy.. I never thought I'd see the day..

 

[ScottPuss20]

It's not an unmitigated disaster, it's still perfectly playable and a heap of fun.

 

[787B GT4]

It's not an unmitigated disaster, it's still perfectly playable and a heap of fun.

The gameplay is yes. The in game economy is a bigger disaster than any GT game has ever been in history by far. When the economy is so geared towards MTX's you aren't really even "playing" the game anymore. Your grinding the same boring races over and over again to have Cr to actually obtain things and play the game. That's not how GT has ever been or how it should be now. Yes GT has always had grinding, but not unreasonable and unhuman grinds like these that force weak minded people into MTX.

 

[Imari]

If you remember GT Sport at launch it was a mess too, but GT7 also shouldn't have repeated that, yet here we are!

And GT6. And GT5.

It's been a while since a GT game released that wasn't a mess initially.

My guess would be Kaz is banking on the "FREE DLC" model of free cars every month, as he did with GT Sport. When that starts I expect that the GT Fanbase will turn back to being in love with kaz again and most the complaints we have now will just be forgotten, not too many fixed, just forgotten.

If the DLC cars require being bought with credits and are as expensive as the rest of the cars seem to be, I'm not sure the love bomb will be that powerful. It's one thing to make your SO a nice meal, it's another thing to buy them some nice ingredients and tell them to make themselves a nice meal. Especially when they're already mad at you.

Not excusing the guy or the game but one possibility is that it's not up to him and this is being pushed by Sony/Playstation not him.

Then he should take his name off it.

Apparently cheaters are using scripts now because they see the game is unfair. I don't even....

Gran Turismo 7 Players Use AFK Exploit To Farm Millions Like Capitalism Intended

Players have found a way to bypass GT7’s microtransaction grind

kotaku.com

It's not cheating. It's using tools given by Sony to play games through a PC, and using PC tools to control the game. Absolutely above board, and it seems like the game of trying to optimise the grinding tool is more fun than actually grinding.

If Polyphony didn't want people to try and automate the boring parts of the game, they should have built a game that was less boring.

If I use scripts at work to automate data entry and processing it's considered intelligent and efficient, not "cheating". The only thing this is "cheating" is avoiding giving Polyphony more microtransaction money, which I'm totally fine with.

It's not an unmitigated disaster, it's still perfectly playable and a heap of fun.

Right, it's a partially mitigated disaster. It's partially mitigated by the fact that there's a good game in there trying to get out, but it's being strangled by the ridiculous economy.

I hope PC grinding methods take off so that players can afford the cars they dream of. If they do I think a lot more people will be able to engage with the truly amazing parts of the game, instead of being frustrated by the awful roadblocks put in their way.

 

[Max_HP]

I hate to be the one who anticipates a sealed fate (especially for my all time favorite franchise) But I believe what we are seeing here is the immediate end of Gran Turismo and Polyphony Digital if drastic and immediate measures aren't taken ASAP, and so far what we've seen is complete and utter ignorance and attempts to play their playerbase for fools.

The reason I believe this is because I've been playing GT since the very beginning as a small child and there has never once in history been an outrage this far wide and so outside of inner GT circles. What we are seeing here is complete corporate overreach completely disregarding respect for a 25 year old franchise by releasing a very clearly unfinished game and giving players a lack of options for obtaining end game content besides unrealistic grinds or opening up their wallets and paying 4X what they paid for the game for a singular car..

That is egregiousness at and well beyond the worst offenders in the scene such as Blizzard, EA, Activision etc and this could honestly be a F2P game with its current business model.. But then you remember it's a full priced AAA title..

I'll admit that I was too a sucker and preordered because I'm a naive kid at heart when it comes to Gran Turismo and have always had the "never my GT" attitude and seen Kazunori as a god in my eyes as he made my awful childhood worth living. So much so that I bought a PS4 Pro just for GT Sport and was thrilled when I found out 7 would also be on 4 and immediately preordered.

I absolutely can't lie. This is the most disappointed I've ever been with Sony and Polyphony Digital, and as someone who still has a deep love and attachment with GT since I've been a kid it breaks my heart. 1.07 almost got me teared up a few times when I started to see the extreme backlash and remembered how GT used to be so long ago.. Regardless of who's fault it is, whether it be Kaz or Sony both could have seen the unmitigated disaster that's occurring and prevented it but neither did and then Kaz made it worse with his statement..

I can only hope they have plans in motion as we speak because when Muta from SOG starts making videos about it you know it's truly egregious and bad.. The worst part in all of this is that I can see the love for this game was there as usual.. But in un-Polyphony like fashion seems to be unfinished, rushed out the door and with very poor thought given to the economy.. I never thought I'd see the day..

I too feel your anger and disappointment my friend as I've also been a long time GT fan, and am utterly disgusted at Kaz for what he's done to the game. The MTX and race reward nerfs all comes down to greed in wanting the player to spend their hard earned in paying for the cars they want.
User metacritic score has dropped down to 1.8.
The backlash is real, and if Kaz doesn't make changes soon, GT7 will die.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Right, it's a partially mitigated disaster. It's partially mitigated by the fact that there's a good game in there trying to get out, but it's being strangled by the ridiculous economy.

I hope PC grinding methods take off so that players can afford the cars they dream of. If they do I think a lot more people will be able to engage with the truly amazing parts of the game, instead of being frustrated by the awful roadblocks put in their way.

I wouldn't even call it a disaster. I'm having more fun with it than any other GT game released in the last 12 years.

 

[RPR6143 RPG]

Very much agree and forced tyre type and forced tyre wear also don't belong in single player!

Same here, I think they should remove that forced BOP. I want to race my race cars woth full upgrades NOT being forced to race with the regulations I don't want.

 

[TheScythed]

I hate to be the one who anticipates a sealed fate (especially for my all time favorite franchise) But I believe what we are seeing here is the immediate end of Gran Turismo and Polyphony Digital if drastic and immediate measures aren't taken ASAP, and so far what we've seen is complete and utter ignorance and attempts to play their playerbase for fools.

The reason I believe this is because I've been playing GT since the very beginning as a small child and there has never once in history been an outrage this far wide and so outside of inner GT circles. What we are seeing here is complete corporate overreach completely disregarding respect for a 25 year old franchise by releasing a very clearly unfinished game and giving players a lack of options for obtaining end game content besides unrealistic grinds or opening up their wallets and paying 4X what they paid for the game for a singular car..

That is egregiousness at and well beyond the worst offenders in the scene such as Blizzard, EA, Activision etc and this could honestly be a F2P game with its current business model.. But then you remember it's a full priced AAA title..

I'll admit that I was too a sucker and preordered because I'm a naive kid at heart when it comes to Gran Turismo and have always had the "never my GT" attitude and seen Kazunori as a god in my eyes as he made my awful childhood worth living. So much so that I bought a PS4 Pro just for GT Sport and was thrilled when I found out 7 would also be on 4 and immediately preordered.

I absolutely can't lie. This is the most disappointed I've ever been with Sony and Polyphony Digital, and as someone who still has a deep love and attachment with GT since I've been a kid it breaks my heart. 1.07 almost got me teared up a few times when I started to see the extreme backlash and remembered how GT used to be so long ago.. Regardless of who's fault it is, whether it be Kaz or Sony both could have seen the unmitigated disaster that's occurring and prevented it but neither did and then Kaz made it worse with his statement..

I can only hope they have plans in motion as we speak because when Muta from SOG starts making videos about it you know it's truly egregious and bad.. The worst part in all of this is that I can see the love for this game was there as usual.. But in un-Polyphony like fashion seems to be unfinished, rushed out the door and with very poor thought given to the economy.. I never thought I'd see the day..

You hit the nail right on the head. Well spoken!

 

[equalitus]

I'm glad Kaz wrote us a letter to give us explanations and excuses.

I hope that a long maintenance will not happen in the future.

For this reward story, I like that Kaz and PoDi assume their choice despite the big wave of protest.

Personally, I like their vision even if it doesn't seem to be compatible with players who want to get everything, very quickly today.

Understand the value and history of each car. Enjoying the driving, enjoying each car by doing World Circuit races, custom races, online races and so on.

It's good that they have balanced rewards, I never found normal that a 3 minutes race is better rewarded than a 20 minutes race. Balancing also avoid players to do the same race over and over again.

What the game needs in the future, is more races, preferably races that reward well. The ability to sell cars, not just for money but because it's also part of the series.

If you play regularly for months or years, money will fall and one day you will be able to buy a 20M car and you will be very happy.

Thank PoDi, I'm happy to play GT7 again before the weekend

If you play for years??? The main reason GT3/4/5/6 was fun was because it took merely days or weeks to gain enough credits to buy expensive and fast cars which makes the game fun!!

 

[ScottPuss20]

If you play for years??? The main reason GT3/4/5/6 was fun was because it took merely days or weeks to gain enough credits to buy expensive and fast cars which makes the game fun!!

That's not fun for me because it means my investment was barely worth it.

 

[787B GT4]

I wouldn't even call it a disaster. I'm having more fun with it than any other GT game released in the last 12 years.

This game isn't better than 4, 5 or 6 in it's current state in my opinion. It does absolutely have the potential to be better than them all if they just fix the race payouts and add more events but until then it's just a grinding simulator. I'm glad you're enjoying the game though. Genuinely.

 

[ScottPuss20]

This game isn't better than 4, 5 or 6 in it's current state in my opinion. It does absolutely have the potential to be better than them all if they just fix the race payouts and add more events but until then it's just a grinding simulator. I'm glad you're enjoying the game though. Genuinely.

It's better than 5 and 6 at least.

 

[787B GT4]

You hit the nail right on the head. Well spoken!

I can only speak from the heart and my pain when it comes to my favorite series of all time. Thanks.

It's better than 5 and 6 at least.

In terms of content and replayability (currently) it's actually not. But I'd say in terms of gameplay, physics, graphics, sound and car detail yes absolutely it's a better game and in no way am I saying it's a bad game gameplay wise. It's just very clear that the in game economy and MTXs were not thought out at all and that has a big effect on gameplay unfortunately.

You need Cr to do almost anything car related in a GT game and when Cr are that much of a pain in the *** to get it just feels like a slap in the face to me and so many other loyal fans.

 

[TheScythed]

It's just very clear that the in game economy and MTXs were not meant to inspire a sense of pride from ownership at all, or actually obtainable, but were very much constructed to try and squeeze players for more money. This has a disastrous effect on gameplay and especially longevity.

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[Samus]

That's not fun for me because it means my investment was barely worth it.

What investment? Buying the game? Or "earning" the cars in the game?

I still don't really get that. If you were playing GT Sport up until GT7s release, or even if you play it right now, you can drive a whole bunch of cars that you "earned" in that game.

Then you switch over to GT7 and those same cars are locked behind hours and hours of driving on largely the same tracks as GTS. The McLaren F1 you can easily drive in GTS already, it's way out of reach in GT7. What do you get out of "earning" that same car yet again? How much excitement can you get out of finally acquiring it when you've already owned it, several times over, and you could drive it at any time you want if you put the old game in?

For new cars you've never driven I just about get it, but for the majority of the cars you could drive right now, if you fired up the previous game, I don't get it.

 

[ScottPuss20]

In terms of content and replayability (currently) it's actually not. But I'd say in terms of gameplay, physics, graphics, sound and car detail yes absolutely it's a better game and in no way am I saying it's a bad game gameplay wise.

All of this was lacking in the old games and that's why I like GT7 soo much. It may not have as many events but I don't care.

 

[787B GT4]

There, I fixed it for you.

Love it. That's perfect

 

[SPURS3420]

My take: Honestly, I wouldn't even have a problem with the MTX prices if there was more late game content. It's really a balance issue. GT7 is a great base game (graphics, physics, gameplay). I've completed all menus, licenses, and missions, and have completed most races. If it took me 6 months to grind out the credits for a grail Gr1 car, I wouldn't mind, as long as they gave us more races to play in the process of that grind.

I'm not speaking for everyone. But I'd definitely be more willing to take PD's excuses that the high car prices are for "scarcity" and "simulating real prices" if there were more races to earn the money to buy them with.

At this point, it feels like PD is rushing you through the "game" with the menu books, and pushing you toward a "post-game" state where the only progression you can make is to either grind low-payout races or pay for MTX.

And even if you CAN afford a high-end car from Hagerty after all that grinding, there's no Gr1 or Gr2 world circuits races and only a couple missions they would even work with. So then there's custom races, which are okay but don't capture the same challenge as racing in World Circuits.

It's an unfinished game, plain and simple. Would I like cars/MTX to be cheaper? Sure. But what PD really needs to add to keep me around is more content (menu books, missions, races, cars, and tracks).

This could still be an all-time great racing game, in spite of microtransactions, if they add a wealth of content in future updates.

If Kaz wants us to "watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view", then it is necessary to give the fans more of a roadmap for future content updates so we can know what that "longer term point of view" even looks like.

 

[787B GT4]

What investment? Buying the game? Or "earning" the cars in the game?

I still don't really get that. If you were playing GT Sport up until GT7s release, or even if you play it right now, you can drive a whole bunch of cars that you "earned" in that game.

Then you switch over to GT7 and those same cars are locked behind hours and hours of driving on largely the same tracks as GTS. The McLaren F1 you can easily drive in GTS already, it's way out of reach in GT7. What do you get out of "earning" that same car yet again? How much excitement can you get out of finally acquiring it when you've already owned it, several times over, and you could drive it at any time you want if you put the old game in?

For new cars you've never driven I just about get it, but for the majority of the cars you could drive right now, if you fired up the previous game, I don't get it.

Very good point considering I have almost every single car in GT Sport. I gave that thoughts multiple times after 1.07 and saw the McLaren F1 up for sale for 17X what it cost in GT Sport in terms of Cr.

I love the F1 but not enough to sit there for over 20 hours to buy it. This business model needs to change drastically and change now. Surely there's a reason we're all on GTPlanet malding instead of playing GT7. It's because we've all been played for fools and they think it's funny. Every single one of us.

But if they keep it up we'll have the last laugh. We always do as consumers.

 

[ScottPuss20]

What investment? Buying the game? Or "earning" the cars in the game?

I still don't really get that. If you were playing GT Sport up until GT7s release, or even if you play it right now, you can drive a whole bunch of cars that you "earned" in that game.

Then you switch over to GT7 and those same cars are locked behind hours and hours of driving on largely the same tracks as GTS. The McLaren F1 you can easily drive in GTS already, it's way out of reach in GT7. What do you get out of "earning" that same car yet again? How much excitement can you get out of finally acquiring it when you've already owned it, several times over, and you could drive it at any time you want if you put the old game in?

For new cars you've never driven I just about get it, but for the majority of the cars you could drive right now, if you fired up the previous game, I don't get it.

I payed $100 for GT7. I don't want to complete everything in 3 weeks, I want to play it for the next 3 years.

 

[787B GT4]

I payed $100 for GT7. I don't want to complete everything in 3 weeks, I want to play it for the next 3 years.

You certainly got your wish then. The only difference is that most people want to focus on their car collections relatively early so they can find all the cars they like in certain classes, tune them and then perfect their racing. It's extremely annoying when you're so focused on just grinding to get cars that you are ignoring every other aspect of the game because collecting cars takes too much time.

I agree that the most expensive cars in the game shouldn't be able to be obtained instantly or too quickly. But the way they have it now is just too much of a grind and not rewarding at all. You are quite literally killing your health just to obtain a digital car before it goes out of rotation. That should not be happening. The grinds should be doable and not agonizing on a $70 AAA game.

The fastest way to make money currently only nets you 900K/hr and obviously some cars are 20M for a singular car. So unless you do the same boring rally race for over 20 hours you aren't getting that car. That is unacceptable. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the 1.8M Cr/Hr before which was still arguably a bit low.

People are angry because they want the cars they know they like in a reasonable amount of time so they can actually do other things in the game besides grind.