Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

[O604]

Review bombing may end up as a good thing.

In the end I don't think it will be GT that will take the hit in credibility. I think it's user ratings at places like Metacritic.

 

[Silver Arrows]

The developer has already stated that they're working on things to address these issues, what's so hard about that for people to understand?

Too bad he's not doing enough to actually mitigate the issue. And even if he was, he has a habit of lying going back more then a decade. Why should I, or anyone else believe what he has to say?

In the end I don't think it will be GT that will take the hit in credibility.

No, GT is absolutely taking the hit in credibility, and it's made worse every moment Kaz tries to flippantly push through the issue with 'free content guise!' that won't work this time around.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Review bombing may end up as a good thing.

In the end I don't think it will be GT that will take the hit in credibility. I think it's user ratings at places like Metacritic.

GT is taking a hit in credibility right now as media outlets are starting to take notice of the backlash and justifiably calling PD and Sony out on it.

 

[breeminator]

You've just quoted the statement where this is said

No, you're reading things into that he didn't say. He didn't say payouts would improve, he 100% did not say that.

He said there would be new events. He didn't say they would pay out more credits. If there are new events that pay out the same per minute, that resolves the problem of mechanically grinding the same races over and over again, because you now have more events to rotate through.

He also asks players to take a long term view of the game, which might just mean that you should think in terms of it taking you many years to obtain all the cars.

 

[Dave A]

The developer has already stated that they're working on things to address these issues, what's so hard about that for people to understand?

Ah, so that as of right now, hollow promise backed up with action that actual made things worse excuses everything! Stop complaining everyone, Kaz made things worse but he might make things a bit better at some indeterminate time in the future and the clear crappy tactics used to date are completely excused.

 

[Adam Barber]

Too bad he's not doing enough to actually mitigate the issue. And even if he was, he has a habit of lying going back more then a decade. Why should I, or anyone else believe what he has to say?


No, GT is absolutely taking the hit in credibility, and it's made worse every moment Kaz tries to flippantly push through the issue with 'free content guise!' that won't work this time around.

You do realise that these things take time and it's unrealistic to expect fixs quickly especially of the people making the time are going to have a work/life balance because why shouldn't they.

 

[Dave A]

You do realise that these things take time and it's unrealistic to expect fixs quickly especially of the people making the time are going to have a work/life balance because why shouldn't they.

They could have increased payouts this week, introduced new events and more. I created half a dozen new events for GT5 in a single evening with one eye on the TV. It's easily doable as all the assets are already there.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

Almost nobody believes them anymore. This isn't the first or second or third time PD lied.

I've been there since Day 1 with GT1.. and this statement of Kaz's is the only thing I'll ever need to never trust him again.

 

[Silver Arrows]

You do realise that these things take time and it's unrealistic to expect fixs quickly especially of the people making the time are going to have a work/life balance because why shouldn't they.

I think that we are at a point in the game's life, with as many problems as it has, that maybe the goal should be to crack down and try and fix the game instead of trying to salve things over with content as if this was a normal release.

 

[Adam Barber]

I think that we are at a point in the game's life, with as many problems as it has, that maybe the goal should be to crack down and try and fix the game instead of trying to salve things over with content as if this was a normal release.

The game has been out 3 weeks, GTSport had a lifespan of 4.5 years and way a lot worse on release than GT7 is, chill out

 

[MaxAttack]

Why do you keep trotting out this strawman? You know it's not true.

I know avoiding all logical fallacy has been flavour of the moment for a long while now but please don't make me trawl this absolute rubbish fire of a thread for the examples of people throwing their toys out of the pram over unreasonable things like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3.

You know they are there and it's not a straw man just because I value my sanity far too highly to dig out specific quotes.

 

[Scaff]

GTSport had a lifespan of 4.5 years and way a lot worse on release than GT7 is

In what way?

GT Sport, at launch, was a budget title, was clear in it's focus of on-line racing (and the beta's before release made sure that was clear), had zero microtransactions and didn't suffer from a 36 hours server outage reducing it's usability by 95%+ with no ability to save. I was here, moderating that release as well, and it wasn't close to as bad.

So please explain how, exactly, that was worse?

 

[Silver Arrows]

I know avoiding all logical fallacy has been flavour of the moment for a long while now but please don't make me trawl this absolute rubbish fire of a thread for the examples of people throwing their toys out of the pram over unreasonable things like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3.

'i know they're happening but i'm not going to post evidence, just trust me bro'

 

[GBO Possum]

You do realise that these things take time and it's unrealistic to expect fixs quickly especially of the people making the time are going to have a work/life balance because why shouldn't they.

So increasing an event’s prize money takes longer than decreasing the prize money. Got it.

 

[BossBattle]

Gran Turismo 7's Wildly Unpopular Update Reflects the World That Created It

Look at the car hobby today and you'll see that money matters most.

www.thedrive.com

Here is another article.

 

[MaxAttack]

'i know they're happening but i'm not going to post evidence, just trust me bro'

Why did you make me do this? I picked a random page number in the thread...

Kaz your game is unfinished on release date if you need to add additional content later to complete the career and have access to most of the cars. This looks like a make the career wait step by step so impatient people buy cars with real money / micro transactions. unless is for welcoming Sophy the AI to the rest of the career events : ) ... still an unfinished game.

Can't wait to spend $180 because I don't have 30 hours to grind a horrible rally event just so I can use the McLaren F1 which is no doubt one of the most popular cars ever made with a legacy that stretches three decades worth of video game renditions!!!!!!

I'm broken, I'm actually resorting to pointing out that FH5 is free on GamePass for $15 a month 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

It's the out of season april fools joke again, except April Fool's is like in two weeks...

18.2 MILLION CREDITS for the F1.. I'm done.. I'm out.

Kaz: "I don't like the fact that you've all been grinding the same race over and over again to earn credits so to avoid having you all to grind for credits I'm gonna significantly lower the payouts."

Also Kaz: "btw, the Mclaren F1 is now available for 18x more than it costed in GT sport, good luck!" 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

18.2 million wow!!

With crappy payouts while the cap is at 20 million.

You will grind then start again. This is bs!!

They are deliberately doing this so you dont farm credits. It will get to the point where you get tired and quit which leads to you buying their mtx

They say that they want people to drive and experience the cars, but their pricing tells me that they really don't. They saw NFTs and thought "ah, artificial scarcity seems like it works a treat, let's get us some of that action".

God forbid someone gets to drive a car they love without dedicating 20 hours of gameplay to the effort first. There's pride and accomplishment, and then there's whatever the **** this is.

Honestly? ** Kaz and this antiquated way of playing racing games. What makes it worse is the fact the vast majority of games now let you do want you want when you want. Yes there are career modes in F1 or ACC but if I want to just load up a race I can pick the car and track I want right away. None of this menu or mission or grinding or whatever ****** Polyphony have used for 25 years now. Why should we have to unlock tracks exactly? Why are certain cars so much more expensive than they were in GT Sport? We've got better weather, but not on all tracks. Honestly Kaz is just another Kojima, so far up their own arse they think whatever they **** out people will eat it up, well Kaz, that's not happening and you are Polyphony are the ones who need to sort this garbage out.

Solid evidenced arguments are the gold standard and all, but perhaps not everyone who can't quite be bothered to do a trawl like the one I just did shouldn't be taken at their word.

I like how I have to painstakingly back up everything I say whilst others in this thread are free to speculate wildly about how Sony and Kaz plotted and schemed to get their hands on mum's credit card.

Sorry to all quoted for the random ping, my hand was forced.

 

[Dave A]

Why did you make me do this? I picked a random page number in the thread...














Solid evidenced arguments are the gold standard and all, but perhaps not everyone who can't quite be bothered to do a trawl like the one I just did shouldn't be taken at their word.

I like how I have to painstakingly back up everything I say whilst others in this thread are free to speculate wildly about how Sony and Kaz plotted and schemed to get their hands on mum's credit card.

Sorry to all quoted for the random ping, my hand was forced.

And what exactly do those quoted posts need to back up? They are all self-evident or have explained their position. You are posting a statement promising an update of some kind which may or may not rectify the issues these users are experiencing as proof people should be patient and not complain. Madness.

You know, they could have gone some way to rectifying the issue within the last week of they wanted to. You know, by increasing payouts and increasing the number of events in the game. They have chosen not to do that and instead offer vague promises of maybe fixing some things maybe not.

But even if they do start to fix things in a couple of months time, does that excuse the shoddy state the game is in now? Not at all. And here's another kicker, if they do decide to start fixing these issues would they have been fixed at all had the game not been review bombed? Probably not. But that's speculation you see, as it depends on if they even bother to fix these issues.

 

[MaxAttack]

And what exactly do those quoted posts need to back up? They are all self-evident or have explained their position. You are posting a statement promising an update of some kind which may or may not rectify the issues these users are experiencing as proof people should be patient and not complain. Madness.

If you read the post @Silver Arrows quoted you'll see I was looking for

"examples of people throwing their toys out of the pram over unreasonable things like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3."

Which I felt the above quotes captured neatly enough, given the point was that they exist and didn't take much effort to find, if anyone cared to actually check it what I'm saying had any basis in fact before guffawing it back in my face. Some of them aren't perfect, because, like I implied, I refuse to expend the effort to prove something so petty.

 

[afc5150]

'i know they're happening but i'm not going to post evidence, just trust me bro'

I bought whole game 14 days ago and I want to play with all cars. Do I really want too much from the real racing simulator?

Why should I wait for anything? I spent the money already. Give me my cars!

Oh, they exist. Not hard to find evidence.

 

[BasherB59]

There are plenty of things I love about GT7, the Layout, Menus, and Sounds reminiscent of previous Gran Turismo's.
The "New" Weather & Time of Day Options, the Ray Tracing in Replays & Scapes.

I suspect we'd all like more cars & tracks, especially our Faves from those previous games.

But if you're going to make the price of Cars the "Real World" value Kaz San, surely you also need to offer "Real World" Prize Money!
Nobody wants to spend all their time "Grinding" just to add one expensive motor to their Garage.
We know that we'll be getting regular updates along the way & that the game will expand & improve over time.

But I simply cannot believe the amount of stick, Kaz & PD are getting, for a 36 (?) hour outage. It's just a Game! There are far more serious things going on in the World right now. Most of which don't even appear on the News, because of Russia's Invasion of the Ukraine!! Earthquakes in Japan, People being Killed in China, Palestine, Yemen, Somalia, Algeria, Cameroon, Libya, Mali, Nigeria, Tunisia, the list goes on..

Let's All just Chill.

 

[Scaff]

Why did you make me do this? I picked a random page number in the thread...














Solid evidenced arguments are the gold standard and all, but perhaps not everyone who can't quite be bothered to do a trawl like the one I just did shouldn't be taken at their word.

I like how I have to painstakingly back up everything I say whilst others in this thread are free to speculate wildly about how Sony and Kaz plotted and schemed to get their hands on mum's credit card.

Sorry to all quoted for the random ping, my hand was forced.

Only one of those meets the claim you made, the last one.

The others are complaints regarding the in-game economy, microtransactions and the lack of events.

You're claim was these were examples of...

"like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3"

The first one raises a lack of events and microtransactions
The second raises the issue of the grind, price increases from GTS and microtransactions
The third only addresses the price increases from GTS
The forth raises PD lowering pay-outs making the economy worse and the price increases from GTS
The fifth addresses the grind and price increases from GTS
The sixth address the grind

Only the seventh actually meets the criteria of your claim, the first six you seem to have included only because they use a single car as an example to illustrate the point they are making (and it would be hard for them to do otherwise), and not a single one of the first six asked for "every car being straight in the dealerships"

Are you going to find the odd person saying that? Yes, but using outliers to try and prove a point does nothing but undermine it.

 

[Dave A]

If you read the post @Silver Arrows quoted you'll see I was looking for

"examples of people throwing their toys out of the pram over unreasonable things like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3."

Which I felt the above quotes captured neatly enough, given the point was that they exist and didn't take much effort to find, if anyone cared to actually check it what I'm saying had any basis in fact before guffawing it back in my face. Some of them aren't perfect, because, like I implied, I refuse to expend the effort to prove something so petty.

Yet only one of those quotes match "examples of people throwing their toys out of the pram over unreasonable things like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3." I literally don't see any but one of those posts explicitly asking for those things. The final one is maybe, but an arcade mode with all content unlocked could be the solution there, but a point for that I guess. But keep making stuff up if it fits your straw man argument.

 

[Adam Barber]

There are plenty of things I love about GT7, the Layout, Menus, and Sounds reminiscent of previous Gran Turismo's.
The "New" Weather & Time of Day Options, the Ray Tracing in Replays & Scapes.

I suspect we'd all like more cars & tracks, especially our Faves from those previous games.

But if you're going to make the price of Cars the "Real World" value Kaz San, surely you also need to offer "Real World" Prize Money!
Nobody wants to spend all their time "Grinding" just to add one expensive motor to their Garage.
We know that we'll be getting regular updates along the way & that the game will expand & improve over time.

But I simply cannot believe the amount of stick, Kaz & PD are getting, for a 36 (?) hour outage. It's just a Game! There are far more serious things going on in the World right now. Most of which don't even appear on the News, because of Russia's Invasion of the Ukraine!! Earthquakes in Japan, People being Killed in China, Palestine, Yemen, Somalia, Algeria, Cameroon, Libya, Mali, Nigeria, Tunisia, the list goes on..

Let's All just Chill.

Finally a voice of reason

 

[MaxAttack]

Only one of those meets the claim you made, the last one.

The others are complaints regarding the in-game economy, microtransactions and the lack of events.

You're claim was these were examples of...

"like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3"

The first one raises a lack of events and microtransactions
The second raises the issue of the grind, price increases from GTS and microtransactions
The third only addresses the price increases from GTS
The forth raises PD lowering pay-outs making the economy worse and the price increases from GTS
The fifth addresses the grind and price increases from GTS
The sixth address the grind

Only the seventh actually meets the criteria of your claim, the first six you seem to have included only because they use a single car as an example to illustrate the point they are making (and it would be hard for them to do otherwise), and not a single one of the first six asked for "every car being straight in the dealerships"

Yet none of those quotes match "examples of people throwing their toys out of the pram over unreasonable things like not every car being straight in the dealerships or not having the money for the most expensive cars in week 3." I literally don't see a single one of those posts asking for those things. But keep making stuff up if it fits your straw man argument.

Gentlemen if that and @afc5150 's kind contribution aren't enough to, if not prove I'm not talking out of my butt, prove that the evidence certainly exists if I could really be bothered to comb thru all 50+ pages of the thread, I'm not sure what else I can do for you.

I Iiterally typed in pg31 and went forward grabbing anything even remotely close to my point and stopped 2 pages later. It really did not require much effort - the point being you could put that effort in to see if what I'm saying is there as much as you could demand that I have to. I didn't fabricate it from thin air and I'd appreciate the general respect for my intelligence in that regard - I should be able to comment on general themes that have clearly run thru the thread without being asked to dredge up examples in such a lengthy discussion.

You'll note I haven't refused to digest anything any of you have typed based on the fact you can provide absolutely zero evidence of this supposed scheme by Sony and PD to gut the GT franchise in favour of an MTX spinner - and unlike what I said I really don't see the evidence lying out in the open for that.

So am I doing it wrong? Should I stop deigning to respond to those whose only reaction to my indictment of their reviewbombing, stung by my suggestion they're being childish, if they aren't prepared to hack Kaz's emails and find me direct evidence of this nefarious conspiracy?

No, I'm affording all your intellects a little respect rather than nitpicking at every little thing, so we can discuss where we stand on the issue without pausing every post to search a fifty page thread for a "Gotcha!" of a quote. I might appreciate that returned.

 

[mwoodski]

But if you're going to make the price of Cars the "Real World" value Kaz San, surely you also need to offer "Real World" Prize Money!

Honestly, you don't want to go down this route. Real life racing doesn't pay nearly as much as you'd think at all levels, with most of the money coming from endorsement and TV deals rather than straight race payout.

IIRC a 2hr40min IMSA race paid ~US$35,000 for a win, for example.

 

[mynameis66]

Those cafe menus did throw those cars at you way to willingly, those expensive cars are endgame stuff and expecting that be able to afford them immediately is never going to happen and shouldn't happen.

Game is what, 3 weeks old? Why do people need everything, now? Do the licenses, menus, circuit experiences, and missions. Learn the new physics. Then go after content.

Oh look,another`people want everything now`comment.When will people realise the majority of us dont want everything now.
Why cant people buy the cars they want,when they want within a reasonable time frame?And after finishing menus,etc where do these credits come from to buy these cars?What is left to do?Grinding,which at the moment is hellishly slow going.
I dont think many people will want to grind for the next 6 months to buy the F1 or whatever other overpriced car is,they will move on to the next game.Before somebody throws the`but there not real GT fans`comment maybe theyve just had enough of it.
These cars werent this expensive in GTsport so theres no real reason to be priced like that now.Oh yeah,MTX.
Just my thoughts,not wishing for any arguments.👍

 

[Adam Barber]

Oh look,another`people want everything now`comment.When will people realise the majority of us dont want everything now.
Why cant people buy the cars they want,when they want within a reasonable time frame?And after finishing menus,etc where do these credits come from to buy these cars?What is left to do?Grinding,which at the moment is hellishly slow going.
I dont think many people will want to grind for the next 6 months to buy the F1 or whatever other overpriced car is,they will move on to the next game.Before somebody throws the`but there not real GT fans`comment maybe theyve just had enough of it.
These cars werent this expensive in GTsport so theres no real reason to be priced like that now.Oh yeah,MTX.
Just my thoughts,not wishing for any arguments.👍

At what point did I say everyone? And the Ford GT40 MK IV that was available recently was something like 1/4 of the price it was in GTSport.

 

[eSZee]

I think it's user ratings at places like Metacritic.

This already happened several years ago.

 

[Dave A]

Gentlemen if that and @afc5150 's kind contribution aren't enough to, if not prove I'm not talking out of my butt, prove that the evidence certainly exists if I could really be bothered to comb thru all 50+ pages of the thread, I'm not sure what else I can do for you.

I Iiterally typed in pg31 and went forward grabbing anything even remotely close to my point and stopped 2 pages later. It really did not require much effort - the point being you could put that effort in to see if what I'm saying is there as much as you could demand that I have to. I didn't fabricate it from thin air and I'd appreciate the general respect for my intelligence in that regard - I should be able to comment on general themes that have clearly run thru the thread without being asked to dredge up examples in such a lengthy discussion.

You'll note I haven't refused to digest anything any of you have typed based on the fact you can provide absolutely zero evidence of this supposed scheme by Sony and PD to gut the GT franchise in favour of an MTX spinner - and unlike what I said I really don't see the evidence lying out in the open for that.

So am I doing it wrong? Should I stop deigning to respond to those whose only reaction to my indictment of their reviewbombing, stung by my suggestion they're being childish, if they aren't prepared to hack Kaz's emails and find me direct evidence of this nefarious conspiracy?

No, I'm affording all your intellects a little respect rather than nitpicking at every little thing, so we can discuss where we stand on the issue without pausing every post to search a fifty page thread for a "Gotcha!" of a quote. I might appreciate that returned.

No, you found 1 post backing up your point and a load more that don't and that's "evidence".

As for the proof PD and Sony are pushing MTX's, the proof is in the game, every time you click on a car to buy it. The timed invitations, timed legendary cars and timed cars in the UCD that all promote buying credits when you click on them. There are seminars on maximising MTX profits that clearly outline a number of these practices and more. This is a properly thought out and deliberate implementation.

Or do you deny that what we can see and interact with in front of us is evidence?

 

[GBO Possum]

GT7, a game with decent meat and bones, a fumbled launch, some "grind"y gameplay (it's what you make of it imo), and dreadfully stripped back multiplayer (still the biggest and least discussed issue in this game), is at 1.6.

There's just no world in which it's that much worse of a game than F76, which just doesn't even work from every account I've heard. You can draw whatever hand-wavey comparisons about deceitful marketing or bad reviewers (and the integrity of reviewers is something that's already been put to bed in this thread) but ultimately you end up with Fallout 76 at 2.8 and GT7 at 1.6. Entirely unrepresentative of the actual comparison between those games as products - this is merely the result of GT7 having sold a buttload of copies which I'm guessing dwarfed Fallout 76 (which for many was a stinker we saw coming miles off and didn't touch with a 9ft bargepole).

So if you're happy to throw away the entire function of metacritic user score - which is to allow anyone to leave a review of a game and amalgamate a number based on people's scores - to use it as a form of protest, I find that very regrettable, and while the notion it's all you have to complain has some merit, it's definitely not what the site was intended for, and it's intended use would actually be quite helpful to some shoppers, but it's now pointless as you can't tell true drek from a game that just had a troubled first few weeks.

The shortsightedness abounds - funnily enough an accusation enough people have levelled at Kaz. All of this is about instant gratification and Kaz has been quite plain that instant gratification regarding collecting cars was never ever going to be the point of GT7.

Fallout 76 has actually recovered somewhat on Metacritic over time.

Now at 2.8, but was 2.5 back in March 2019. I don't know whether 2.5 was the nadir, or it was still on the way down. Maybe it also went below 2.0, I just don't know.

And I'm not sure that it's still fair to say it "just doesn't even work". From what I've heard, they've added a lot of content and fixed the server crash problems. It seems that more recent arrivals to the FO76 world are much happier. I still have FO76 on my PS4, but haven't played it since some time in 2018 when it was still a disaster. Maybe I should.

I'm sure that if the GT7 experience improves, so will the Metacritic score, although they've dug a pretty deep hole, to be sure.