LCC Rocket Super Lap

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Down to 2'02.500 now.

 

[Keef]

Been looking for a few of the tunes here on page; not only for Rocket but for a lot others...

It puzzles me that all of you prefer a relative large toe out front, and a relative large toe in rear???

I have a "standard toe" for about 90% of my cars, this is +0,01 front and - 0,01 rear... Thats a llittle tiny toe in front, and a little tiny toe out rear... ALSO for Rocket... I think this make most cars good and stable in turns and curves...

Of course I tried with that extreme toe out front and toe in rear that you people go with, but I crash with that, makes the car, no matter which, very unstable and understeering...

Am I really that different from the rest of you??? I drive with a Sixaxis controller as I don`t have anything else...

Toe-out (-) on the front increases steering response for sharper turn-in. Toe-in (+) will do the opposite and will contribute to understeer more easily. Toe-out on the rear will tend to make the rear end unstable both in a straight line and in cornering, while toe-in will make the rear want to track in a straighter line, creating stability. In my mild experience with Spec Miata and Spec E30, most drivers in those classes run about 1/8 inch toe out up front and 1/8 inch toe in at the rear. That's about .2 degrees.

Of course, it's been shown that these games, GT5 and GT6 have their own tuning glitches which allow for some outlandishly unrealistic setups to work very well. I refuse to run anything that goes against real-world dynamics.

EDIT: For example, GT6 seems to have a problem with camber adjustments. I'm new to the problem but from what I've read here on the forums, any negative camber above about .5 degree will actually make the tires lose grip. People are having the best results with 0 camber. For the sake of remaining competitive, you might want to try zeroing your camber.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Drove this car for the first time last night. The stock setup has a number of problems. It has braking zone and entry oversteer followed by mid-corner push and then back to a bit of exit oversteer. I spent over an hour just tuning the LSD. No matter how low you go on LSD accel, you can still achieve outside rear wheel spin. I have not seen that yet in GT6 or GT5. So I tried higher LSD accel settings too, but with every increase in number, the car became more easy to spin under throttle. So, 5 it is for accel. I then worked on corner entry with a little bit of brake split at 4/5 and LSD decel to higher and higher numbers. There is a point where a high decel number will make the corner entry quicker, but then it begins to deteriorate the already low mid corner grip. Finally, I spent some time with initial torque. Low just made the car unpredictable. Super high added corner exit push.

This is where I landed for LSD: 13/5/18
Initial Torque sweet spot between 12 and 15.
Accel at 5 and you can still spin the outside rear wheel at the limit.
Decel sweet spot between 15 and 25.

Even with just LSD adjustments the car has become more fun to drive. I have much more tuning to do on this car because it still pushes a bit around the middle of the corner. It reminds me a lot of the Skip Barber formula cars that I have driven in driver's schools. They told us that formula cars like constant input; always either be on the throttle or on the brakes and never coast. This little car reminds me of that driving experience.

 

[eSZee]

GTA V the most expensive game ever made at $265,000,000 production cost estimated*, it grossed $1,000,000,000+ on release day....I think that's what we winner winner chicken dinner.
PD should take notes...

Corrected the numbers, I thought about and said to my self they didn't sound right, I was correct they where wrong, only cost 265 mil+marketing, and made more than a billion in the first day.

That is ridiculous. Is that why I could only keep interest in it for 5 days?

EDIT: For example, GT6 seems to have a problem with camber adjustments. I'm new to the problem but from what I've read here on the forums, any negative camber above about .5 degree will actually make the tires lose grip. People are having the best results with 0 camber. For the sake of remaining competitive, you might want to try zeroing your camber.

I believe what the tuners are saying is that negative camber acts as positive camber. 0/0 has most grip and despite visual confirmations that negative camber is being applied to the wheels, physics wise it's the opposite.

 

[Otaliema]

That is ridiculous. Is that why I could only keep interest in it for 5 days?


I believe what the tuners are saying is that negative camber acts as positive camber. 0/0 has most grip and despite visual confirmations that negative camber is being applied to the wheels, physics wise it's the opposite.

Probibly lol I lost interest in the GTA series with GTA 1. But back on topic at hand

yeah the camber is all wonky I'm waiting but not holding my breath for a fix here in the next few months.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Been looking for a few of the tunes here on page; not only for Rocket but for a lot others...

It puzzles me that all of you prefer a relative large toe out front, and a relative large toe in rear???

I have a "standard toe" for about 90% of my cars, this is +0,01 front and - 0,01 rear... Thats a llittle tiny toe in front, and a little tiny toe out rear... ALSO for Rocket... I think this make most cars good and stable in turns and curves...

Of course I tried with that extreme toe out front and toe in rear that you people go with, but I crash with that, makes the car, no matter which, very unstable and understeering...

Am I really that different from the rest of you??? I drive with a Sixaxis controller as I don`t have anything else...

My toe for all cars is F - 0.08 and R - -0.04; works for me

 

[rickykaka3]

FINALLY! New seasonal events for GT6.

Light Car Company Rocket Super Lap: Suzuka Circuit
Period of Availability: 02/12/2013 22:00 – 3/12/2014 22:00
Gold: Cr.52,000 Silver: Cr.23,000 Bronze: Cr.18,000
Gift: GT Gunmetal 006-W

This will be fun!

Here are some tunes for you leadfoots.

http://praianogt6tunes.blogspot.com.br/2014/01/light-car-comany-rocket-07.html
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/praiano-gt6-tunes-acura-hsc-04-500pp.291084/page-41

Can you please make Crank tune on the first post and not only 2 links of praiano? thanks

 

[Otaliema]

@LeadFootLiam can you update all the tunes to the OP?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Drove this car for the first time last night. The stock setup has a number of problems. It has braking zone and entry oversteer followed by mid-corner push and then back to a bit of exit oversteer. I spent over an hour just tuning the LSD. No matter how low you go on LSD accel, you can still achieve outside rear wheel spin. I have not seen that yet in GT6 or GT5. So I tried higher LSD accel settings too, but with every increase in number, the car became more easy to spin under throttle. So, 5 it is for accel. I then worked on corner entry with a little bit of brake split at 4/5 and LSD decel to higher and higher numbers. There is a point where a high decel number will make the corner entry quicker, but then it begins to deteriorate the already low mid corner grip. Finally, I spent some time with initial torque. Low just made the car unpredictable. Super high added corner exit push.

This is where I landed for LSD: 13/5/18
Initial Torque sweet spot between 12 and 15.
Accel at 5 and you can still spin the outside rear wheel at the limit.
Decel sweet spot between 15 and 25.

Even with just LSD adjustments the car has become more fun to drive. I have much more tuning to do on this car because it still pushes a bit around the middle of the corner. It reminds me a lot of the Skip Barber formula cars that I have driven in driver's schools. They told us that formula cars like constant input; always either be on the throttle or on the brakes and never coast. This little car reminds me of that driving experience.

Your description of this car is spot on and is exactly what I've been experiencing while trying to tune this little car. I especially agree with the part that it likes constant input. Any amount of coasting will just throw the cars handling off. You really have to get in a good rhythm with this car and be on your toes, either on the gas or on the brakes. My LSD settings are quite a bit different from yours with mine being 5/30/10. Still trying to dial the car in the way I like it, but I'm getting close. Its a very aggressive tune and you really got to be on your toes with it, but its gotten me to 52nd place atm, so I think I'm heading in the right direction.

 

[Otaliema]

@Motor City Hami and @GTP_CargoRatt ohh so very true the LSD is a bugger on this little thing, fun car tho. is it just me or does this car hate lateral movement during corning?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Can you please make Crank tune on the first post and not only 2 links of praiano? thanks

@LeadFootLiam can you update all the tunes to the OP?

https://sites.google.com/site/gt6tunes/seasonals

All the tunes should end up there as well if the tuners let @XS know about it. Maybe you could add that link to the OP as well @LeadFootLiam

Your description of this car is spot on and is exactly what I've been experiencing while trying to tune this little car. I especially agree with the part that it likes constant input. Any amount of coasting will just throw the cars handling off. You really have to get in a good rhythm with this car and be on your toes, either on the gas or on the brakes. My LSD settings are quite a bit different from yours with mine being 5/30/10. Still trying to dial the car in the way I like it, but I'm getting close. Its a very aggressive tune and you really got to be on your toes with it, but its gotten me to 52nd place atm, so I think I'm heading in the right direction.

I won't be tuning this car for this event so I'll give yours and Hami's a spin I think. Might try SRF this time as well I did run a couple of laps untuned to get the prizes and I found the same thing as you. The car does not like you to take your foot off the throttle and it kind of reminds me of cars like the Yellowbird which require a different driving technique of having small throttle inputs even under braking and cornering. I don't know how anyone would do this with a DS3, my congrats to anyone that lays down a good time in this even with the controller.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

@Motor City Hami Just tried your LSD settings and they didn't work for me. Went back to mine and just improved to 2'01.954 for 32nd place atm.

 

[italian06]

I seem to be losing about 2 seconds on the last chicane any tips

 

[Otaliema]

@Johnnypenso with the triggers set up as gas/break. I do it in a lot of cars, I call it throttled breaking, it can help rotate a understeering car in a corner or save a hot entry. at least for me anyways
and that explaines why i could drive the Yellowbird last time around i was using the right stick for gas/break so couldn't do the dual inputs like that. 💡 time to go try that car again...

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

https://sites.google.com/site/gt6tunes/seasonals

All the tunes should end up there as well if the tuners let @XS know about it. Maybe you could add that link to the OP as well @LeadFootLiam

I won't be tuning this car for this event so I'll give yours and Hami's a spin I think. Might try SRF this time as well I did run a couple of laps untuned to get the prizes and I found the same thing as you. The car does not like you to take your foot off the throttle and it kind of reminds me of cars like the Yellowbird which require a different driving technique of having small throttle inputs even under braking and cornering. I don't know how anyone would do this with a DS3, my congrats to anyone that lays down a good time in this even with the controller.

I'm getting ready to experiment with something right now ....after I see how that goes, I'm going to go back and tweak my tune and I'll post it a bit later tonight. 👍

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Can you please make Crank tune on the first post and not only 2 links of praiano? thanks

Ok.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Well, my experiment seems to be working , down to 2'01.608....26th atm.

 

[Otaliema]

Go go cargo go!
I've been futzing with my tune as well just a hard car to tune

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Go go cargo go!
I've been futzing with my tune as well just a hard car to tune

Yea, seems as though I'm on a bit of a roll....kinda feels like I'm having an out of body experience.

2'01.546 now.

Who am I kidding though, the only reason I'm up this far is because 1. Its early yet, and 2. Not all of the top guys have begun participating yet. As soon as the latter happens, I'll drop like a rock...so its really a false sense of accomplishment. But, at any rate, its fun while it lasts.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

2:04.8 after 2 laps. Still buckets of time to be found. Never really try to do good in seasonals, but I'm gunna see how quick I can get in this one.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

2:04.8 after 2 laps. Still buckets of time to be found. Never really try to do good in seasonals, but I'm gunna see how quick I can get in this one.

Good luck little friend, I'm sure you'll do well. 👍 Remember, one can do anything they set their mind to through dedication and hard work....Never Give Up.

 

[Mini Stiggy]

Good luck little friend, I'm sure you'll do well. 👍 Remember, one can do anything they set their mind to through dedication and hard work....Never Give Up.

Thanks for the kind words

I'll do my best

 

[Otaliema]

@GTP_CargoRatt it's still not easy to hit the times your hitting, so I call it a good run no matter the end result, and as you say nothing is impossible if you try. Or some thing like that. I know I've gotten better in the last month of playing with my driving. Keep plugging away at it, you might just surpass your expectations

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well, my experiment seems to be working , down to 2'01.608....26th atm.

Spread the wealth a little..

 

[XS]

https://sites.google.com/site/gt6tunes/seasonals

All the tunes should end up there as well if the tuners let @XS know about it. Maybe you could add that link to the OP as well @LeadFootLiam

Seasonals index is updated. Sorry for the delay, lots crazy busy last minutey stuff lately lol.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Spread the wealth a little..

You just hang on to your panties there Princess , I'm still trying to figure out that great tuning sheet you made for me. Once I get it filled out, how do I get it into this thread? Its been a long day and I'm getting ready to go horizontal, so I will post the tune tomorrow.

 

[Horde_R35]

No AIDS,no ABS
2:06.308
590pp 279BHP Oil change,all power which you can put,but without turbo!
133kg balast +50.Weight 523kg.
Weight distribution 35:65
Fully customizable suspension
Ride height front 110 rear 110
Spring rate front 2.85 rear 4.13
dampers compression front 8 rear 8
dampers extension front 8 rear 8
anti-roll bars front 6 rear 6
Camber angle front 0.0 rear 0.0
toe angle front 0.00 rear 0.00
Fully customizable transmission 260km/h
LSD
10
40
25
Racing brakes front 9 rear 10
Triple-Plate Clutch

Very wicked setup lol! I got 2,07,919 with no aids i think with my tune with 237hp i can do at least 0.5 better but never that lap time you made. Ill give that one a shot .

 

[Dusty1990]

No AIDS,no ABS
2:06.308
590pp 279BHP Oil change,all power which you can put,but without turbo!
133kg balast +50.Weight 523kg.
Weight distribution 35:65
Fully customizable suspension
Ride height front 110 rear 110
Spring rate front 2.85 rear 4.13
dampers compression front 8 rear 8
dampers extension front 8 rear 8
anti-roll bars front 6 rear 6
Camber angle front 0.0 rear 0.0
toe angle front 0.00 rear 0.00
Fully customizable transmission 260km/h
LSD
10
40
25
Racing brakes front 9 rear 10
Triple-Plate Clutch

2:06'3 so far. running without srf is good fun but without ABS is a nightmare, just can't get consistent braking with my controller, 2:05'XXX with a perfect run. Cheers for the tune, hristo.

 

[super_gt]

2:06'3 so far. running without srf is good fun but without ABS is a nightmare, just can't get consistent braking with my controller, 2:05'XXX with a perfect run. Cheers for the tune, hristo.

 

[sirjim73]

I usually, no almost always, hate Suzuka but with this little pocket rocket I've had fun so far. Even on stock settings its a lot of fun to drive, front wants to dive in to the corners but even I can catch that with my zero talent. Great choice by PD to include this. I'll have to run it through my tests and have some fun with the rocket elsewhere. In fact this might be good for a one make race PD or a duel against the caterham? Have fun everyone!