Legendary cars dealer refresh

[Silver_Wolf]

We now know how the dynamic pricing is set to work. From the 1.15 patch notes:

The first car that appeared with an arrow that hasn't repeated is the 1984 Ferrari GTO, and that had an up-arrow. More than half of the current lineup (including last night's sell-out) now have up-arrows:

• 1961 Jaguar E-type Coupe, currently 162,000 Cr.
• 1995 Ferrari F50, currently 3,300,000 Cr. (also had an up-arrow the first time)
• 1965 Shelby G.T.350, currently 487,000 Cr.
• 1997 Porsche 911GT1 Strassenversion, currently 3,000,000 Cr. (also had an up-arrow the first time)
• 1967 Ford Mark IV Race Car, was 4,600,000 Cr.
• 1963 Chevrolet Corvette (C2), currently 178,000 Cr. (had a down-arrow the first time, but the price hadn't dropped)

With this new patch and news today in the update notes I am wondering if it is worth my while holding out for the August update in case some cars do go down in price, i.e I would like to get the McLaren F1 road car but if it shows a down arrow this time I'm kinda thinking should I hold off?

I was always gonna spread my purchases of these cars, I'm buying the Jag race car for 12 million so I can finish my trophies but I'll be a little gutted if it becomes cheaper later on...

 

[Eggstor]

With this new patch and news today in the update notes I am wondering if it is worth my while holding out for the August update in case some cars do go down in price, i.e I would like to get the McLaren F1 road car but if it shows a down arrow this time I'm kinda thinking should I hold off?

I was always gonna spread my purchases of these cars, I'm buying the Jag race car for 12 million so I can finish my trophies but I'll be a little gutted if it becomes cheaper later on...

I doubt things will get cheaper. The 1962 Corvette went from a down-arrow (as of yesterday) to an up-arrow.

Edit - The price of a new engine/body on said Corvette went up, so it's going to go up in price the next time it comes around.

Edit 2 - The Aston Martin DB5 will be cheaper next time around as the price of a new engine/body did go down.

 

[tonybarnaby]

I’m ready for the Sauber

 

[Eggstor]

In case you haven't heard, the dynamic part of the pricing in Hagerty's is beginning with each car's next appearance, with more adjustments coming in August. Before the 1.15 update, there were 9 cars that had/have an up-arrow and 2 that had/have a down arrow; now there are 13 cars that had/have an up-arrow and 1 that had a down-arrow.

In a bit of dirty pool, PD/Hagerty's flipped the 1962 Chevrolet Corvette (C2) from a down-arrow to an up-arrow, and put an up-arrow on the 1967 Ford Mark IV Race Car (needed for a trophy) after it sold out, with the new prices taking effect with their next appearances, not their first post-August ones. Fortunately, they appear to be honoring the other down-arrow, which was put on the 1964 Aston Martin DB5.

The effects of this are already being felt if one is in the market for a new engine (which is 50% the car's cost at Hagerty's or Brand Central) or a new body (which is 120% of the car's cost). I do have some of the cars, but not all of them, so I started a chart calculating the price increase (or decrease for the DB5). If you have one or more of the missing cars, I'd appreciate the freshly-recalculated cost of an engine or body, though I expect it to not be available for the trophy car.

Year	Make	Model	Arrow	Last price	Future price	Difference
1964​	Aston Martin	DB5	Down	970,000​	941,000​	-29,000​
1963​	Chevrolet	Corvette C2	Up (was down)	178,000​	237,000​	59,000​
1970​	Dodge	Challenger R/T	Up	253,000​	306,000​	53,000​
1961​	Ferrari	250 GT Berlinetta passo corto	Up	8,200,000​	8,300,000​	100,000​
1971​	Ferrari	365 GTB/4	Up	555,000​	630,000​	75,000​
1984​	Ferrari	GTO	Up	2,500,000​	3,100,000​	600,000​
1996​	Ferrari	F50	Up	3,300,000​	3,550,000​	250,000​
1967​	Ford	Mark IV Race Car	Up (was none)	4,600,000​	5,150,000​	550,000​
1961​	Jaguar	E-type Coupe	Up (was none)	162,000​	211,000​	49,000​
1945​	Jeep	Willys MB	Up	27,800​	27,900​	100​
1970​	Plymouth	Superbird	Up	347,000​	440,000​	93,000​
1997​	Porsche	911 GT1 Strassenversion	Up	3,000,000​	3,100,000​	100,000​
1965​	Shelby	G.T.350	Up (was none)	487,000​	501,000​	14,000​
1966​	Shelby	Cobra 427	Up	2,500,000​	2,500,000​	0​

Edit - Thanks to @NDFong for providing the engine/body info for most of the cars I don't have. Still need the 1984 Ferrari GTO info to make things complete. It's odd that the Cobra didn't seem to change.

Edit 2 - Now have the GTO info, and corrected its initial price.

 

[Daddio45]

Some of those have increased over 30% in the list above. Hope that isn't going to be the case for the really high dollar cars.

 

[Eggstor]

Some of those have increased over 30% in the list above. Hope that isn't going to be the case for the really high dollar cars.

I'm expecting at least a 1,000,000 Cr. increase for the Ford. Sadly, it does match the real world (and not just for cars).

 

[NDFong]

In case you haven't heard, the dynamic part of the pricing in Hagerty's is beginning with each car's next appearance, with more adjustments coming in August. Before the 1.15 update, there were 9 cars that had/have an up-arrow and 2 that had/have a down arrow; now there are 13 cars that had/have an up-arrow and 1 that had a down-arrow.

In a bit of dirty pool, PD/Hagerty's flipped the 1962 Chevrolet Corvette (C2) from a down-arrow to an up-arrow, and put an up-arrow on the 1967 Ford Mark IV Race Car (needed for a trophy) after it sold out, with the new prices taking effect with their next appearances, not their first post-August ones. Fortunately, they appear to be honoring the other down-arrow, which was put on the 1964 Aston Martin DB5.

The effects of this are already being felt if one is in the market for a new engine (which is 50% the car's cost at Hagerty's or Brand Central) or a new body (which is 120% of the car's cost). I do have some of the cars, but not all of them, so I started a chart calculating the price increase (or decrease for the DB5). If you have one or more of the missing cars, I'd appreciate the freshly-recalculated cost of an engine or body, though I expect it to not be available for the trophy car.

Year	Make	Model	Arrow	Last price	Future price	Difference
1964​	Aston Martin	DB5	Down	970,000​	941,000​	-29,000​
1963​	Chevrolet	Corvette C2	Up (was down)	178,000​	237,000​	59,000​
1970​	Dodge	Challenger R/T	Up	253,000​	306,000​	53,000​
1961​	Ferrari	250 GT Berlinetta passo corto	Up	8,200,000​	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN
1971​	Ferrari	365 GTB/4	Up	555,000​	630,000​	75,000​
1984​	Ferrari	GTO	Up	1,350,000​	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN
1996​	Ferrari	F50	Up	3,300,000​	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN
1967​	Ford	Mark IV Race Car	Up (was none)	4,600,000​	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN
1961​	Jaguar	E-type Coupe	Up (was none)	162,000​	211,000​	49,000​
1945​	Jeep	Willys MB	Up	27,800​	27,900​	100​
1970​	Plymouth	Superbird	Up	347,000​	440,000​	93,000​
1997​	Porsche	911 GT1 Strassenversion	Up	3,000,000​	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN
1965​	Shelby	G.T.350	Up (was none)	487,000​	501,000​	14,000​
1966​	Shelby	Cobra 427	Up	2,500,000​	UNKNOWN	UNKNOWN

Ferrari 250 GTO New engine: 4,150,000 million. New Body $9,960,000.
Ferrari F50 NEW ENGINE: $1,775,000 MILLION and NEW BODY $4,260,000 MILLION
Ford Mark IV race car 67: new engine $2,575,000 and new body $6,180,000
porsche GT1. new engine: $1,550,000 and New body $3,720,000
cobra 427 NEW engine $1,250,000 and body $3,000,0000

ferrari f40: new engine 1.3 million new body $3,120,000.
Mclaren F1 road car: new engine 9.7 million and new body 23,280,000
Ferrari GTO 84 new engine $1,550,000 and new body $3,720,000 @Eggstor

 

[CoenRSD]

In case you haven't heard, the dynamic part of the pricing in Hagerty's is beginning with each car's next appearance, with more adjustments coming in August. Before the 1.15 update, there were 9 cars that had/have an up-arrow and 2 that had/have a down arrow; now there are 13 cars that had/have an up-arrow and 1 that had a down-arrow.

In a bit of dirty pool, PD/Hagerty's flipped the 1962 Chevrolet Corvette (C2) from a down-arrow to an up-arrow, and put an up-arrow on the 1967 Ford Mark IV Race Car (needed for a trophy) after it sold out, with the new prices taking effect with their next appearances, not their first post-August ones. Fortunately, they appear to be honoring the other down-arrow, which was put on the 1964 Aston Martin DB5.

The effects of this are already being felt if one is in the market for a new engine (which is 50% the car's cost at Hagerty's or Brand Central) or a new body (which is 120% of the car's cost). I do have some of the cars, but not all of them, so I started a chart calculating the price increase (or decrease for the DB5). If you have one or more of the missing cars, I'd appreciate the freshly-recalculated cost of an engine or body, though I expect it to not be available for the trophy car.

Year	Make	Model	Arrow	Last price	Future price	Difference
1964​	Aston Martin	DB5	Down	970,000​	941,000​	-29,000​
1963​	Chevrolet	Corvette C2	Up (was down)	178,000​	237,000​	59,000​
1970​	Dodge	Challenger R/T	Up	253,000​	306,000​	53,000​
1961​	Ferrari	250 GT Berlinetta passo corto	Up	8,200,000​	8,300,000​	100,000​
1971​	Ferrari	365 GTB/4	Up	555,000​	630,000​	75,000​
1984​	Ferrari	GTO	Up	2,500,000​	3,100,000​	600,000​
1996​	Ferrari	F50	Up	3,300,000​	3,550,000​	250,000​
1967​	Ford	Mark IV Race Car	Up (was none)	4,600,000​	5,150,000​	550,000​
1961​	Jaguar	E-type Coupe	Up (was none)	162,000​	211,000​	49,000​
1945​	Jeep	Willys MB	Up	27,800​	27,900​	100​
1970​	Plymouth	Superbird	Up	347,000​	440,000​	93,000​
1997​	Porsche	911 GT1 Strassenversion	Up	3,000,000​	3,100,000​	100,000​
1965​	Shelby	G.T.350	Up (was none)	487,000​	501,000​	14,000​
1966​	Shelby	Cobra 427	Up	2,500,000​	2,500,000​	0​

Edit - Thanks to @NDFong for providing the engine/body info for most of the cars I don't have. Still need the 1984 Ferrari GTO info to make things complete. It's odd that the Cobra didn't seem to change.

Edit 2 - Now have the GTO info, and corrected its initial price.

Thanks for sharing! Glad I bought the Mark IV Race Car already.

 

[Eggstor]

The post-update Thursday night refresh:

NEW:

• 1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial Pinin Farina Coupe, 4,000,000 Cr.

SOLD OUT:

• NONE

FRESHLY ON LIMITED STOCK:

• 1966 Jaguar XJ13
• 1997 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion

PRESUMABLY THE LAST DAY FOR:

• 1961 Jaguar E-type Coupe

 

[HyperSpeeder]

I think this association with Hagerty was a very poor idea on PD's part.

It's no secret that classic car prices are skyrocketing. Moreover, Hagerty itself is part of this inflation when they have Jason Cammisa do their "features" for them. Even previously worthless cars like the American M3 E36 are gonna pick up in value because we have people like the aforementioned journalist making content on them and helping push the prices up. The price increase due to demand directly benefits Hagerty itself as an auction house, so there's a clear conflict of interest.

They're not the only ones doing it, but this is a Gran Turismo forum so of course it makes more sense to talk about them and not, say, Cars & Bids.

 

[rmac923]

FRESHLY ON LIMITED STOCK:

• 1966 Jaguar XJ13
• 1997 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion

Glad I got these before the Tomahawk glitch got killed. They both just got on the market and are in limited stock quicker than others. Very annoying for those who want them now 😐

 

[BossBattle]

I think this association with Hagerty was a very poor idea on PD's part.

It's no secret that classic car prices are skyrocketing. Moreover, Hagerty itself is part of this inflation when they have Jason Cammisa do their "features" for them. Even previously worthless cars like the American M3 E36 are gonna pick up in value because we have people like the aforementioned journalist making content on them and helping push the prices up. The price increase due to demand directly benefits Hagerty itself as an auction house, so there's a clear conflict of interest.

They're not the only ones doing it, but this is a Gran Turismo forum so of course it makes more sense to talk about them and not, say, Cars & Bids.

I agree that the Hagerty integration is a bit awkward and dampens the experience with its prices, but it’s important to note that Hagerty is not an auction house. They are a classic car insurer. I can’t speak for what other businesses they may or may not be invested in though.

That said, I do think their content inevitably contributes to the hype and higher prices of certain classic cars. They also purchased Radwood, which has led to a renewed interest in cars from the ‘90s.

However, it is important to note that enthusiast vehicles are generally on a 20-30 year cycle when they become classics and desired by folks who grew up lusting after them. The E36 was always a remarkable car. We are simply used to it being at the bottom of the depreciation curve.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

I agree that the Hagerty integration is a bit awkward and dampens the experience with its prices, but it’s important to note that Hagerty is not an auction house. They are a classic car insurer. I can’t speak for what other businesses they may or may not be invested in though.

That said, I do think their content inevitably contributes to the hype and higher prices of certain classic cars. They also purchased Radwood, which has led to a renewed interest in cars from the ‘90s.

However, it is important to note that enthusiast vehicles are generally on a 20-30 year cycle when they become classics and desired by folks who grew up lusting after them. The E36 was always a remarkable car. We are simply used to it being at the bottom of the depreciation curve.

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up. Because of what you said, it actually makes sense that Hagerty has a price table for these cars.

Fully agree on the cycle. Problem is when you live in a country like mine where even mundane imports become ultra expensive because they were brought here in small quantities...

 

[CustomX]

Any feedback/reviews on the 1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial Pinin Farina Coupe?

 

[Eggstor]

The Friday night refresh:

NEW:

• NONE

SOLD OUT:

• 1961 Jaguar E-type Coupe

FRESHLY ON LIMITED STOCK:

• 1956 Porsche 356 A/1500 GS Carrera
• 1965 Shelby G.T.350

PRESUMABLY THE LAST DAY FOR:

• 1966 Jaguar XJ13
• 1997 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion

 

[R3V]

NEW:

• NONE

Is this normal, or do they add a new car later in the night/day? First time I'm up at this hour in a long time.

 

[mwoodski]

Is this normal, or do they add a new car later in the night/day? First time I'm up at this hour in a long time.

Normal.

It refreshes once a day.

 

[GT5 Level 41]

Sauber C9 tomorrow unless I get F40'ed

 

[ScottPuss20]

I bought the 911 GT1 Strassenversion last night before I went to bed because I don't want to miss out. I haven't even driven it yet

 

[StealthVel]

So what happened to the new pricing they were talking about?

 

[Grimm6Jack]

The price of the cars isn't the problem. PD is sticking with their real life values, which is pretty damn reasonable.

Get this through your heads. It's not the car prices that are the problem. It's the PAYOUTS you get for doing the events of the game that are so pitiful that you are "brainwashed" into thinking the cars are expensive. They aren't, if they are as accurate as they are IRL, they are not expensive at all.

If you had for example a Supra selling for 1 million credits? That would indeed be expensive, as IRL they are just above 100k.

-Car prices are ok
-Payouts need to be further increased or PD needs to add events with better payouts.

 

[Nagaremono]

The price of the cars isn't the problem. IMO PD is sticking with their real life values, which is pretty damn reasonable.

Get this through your heads. It's not the car prices that are the problem. It's the PAYOUTS you get for doing the events of the game that are so pitiful that you are "brainwashed" into thinking the cars are expensive. They aren't, if they are as accurate as they are IRL, they are not expensive at all.

If you had for example a Supra selling for 1 million credits? That would indeed be expensive, as IRL they are just above 100k.

-Car prices are ok
-Payouts need to be further increased or PD needs to add events with better payouts.

And dynamic ‘real-life’ pricing (and let’s be honest, prices are only really going to go upwards) is insulting and idiotic when they won’t allow SELLING. Also something that happens a lot in ‘real life’. And in all previous GT games, Sport included.

I’ve barely played the game for a few weeks. Unless they allow selling soon I’ll prob never get back into it. They could do it in ten minutes, but they clearly want to postpone as long as poss for some reason. Pity, but there are other games out there...

 

[Doncarlone]

Most car prices are ok. Even those legendary cars from 1920 and 1930, I accept their price of 20M (doesnt mean i would buy them). Mclaren F1 is one of the only cars IMO that is way too overpriced. 18M is just way much for what it offers. I wouldnt give more than 10M for it.
Cobra daytona is another one I wont buy due to overprice. Its price was 12M in gtsport and it was inferior in performance to both 330p4 and ford markIV both costed 20M, witch kinda made sense.
Doesnt make much sense cobra, now, costs 20M while 330p4 and markIV cost 13M/14M combined.
Coming from a performance perspective ofc.

 

[Emet_PL]

So.. F40 will cost 2 x more. Now we know why its appearance was postponed.

 

[F30clubman]

Now the selling prices we (will) get will need to go up also. Even for those who bought cheaper. Otherwise it's not realistic and even perverse ...

 

[Grimm6Jack]

And dynamic ‘real-life’ pricing (and let’s be honest, prices are only really going to go upwards) is insulting and idiotic when they won’t allow SELLING. Also something that happens a lot in ‘real life’. And in all previous GT games, Sport included.

I’ve barely played the game for a few weeks. Unless they allow selling soon I’ll prob never get back into it. They could do it in ten minutes, but they clearly want to postpone as long as poss for some reason. Pity, but there are other games out there...

The idiotic thing is not being able to sell cars. I whole heartedly agree with you on that and in fact have been voicing this concern since day 1.

It boggles my mind on why we still, 3 months into the game, can't sell cars. This is a feature that should've been here on day 1, but they still told us in March that we would get the ability to sell cars in a further update. That update should've been the one at the end of April... Selling cars has been a part of GT's franchise on all of them... PD's greed knows no bounds. That or they are just extremely incompetent.
End of May update and STILL, we can't sell cars. Saying that this is grinding me is an understatement.

Most car prices are ok. Even those legendary cars from 1920 and 1930, I accept their price of 20M (doesnt mean i would buy them). Mclaren F1 is one of the only cars IMO that is way too overpriced. 18M is just way much for what it offers. I wouldnt give more than 10M for it.
Cobra daytona is another one I wont buy due to overprice. Its price was 12M in gtsport and it was inferior in performance to both 330p4 and ford markIV both costed 20M, witch kinda made sense.
Doesnt make much sense cobra, now, costs 20M while 330p4 and markIV cost 13M/14M combined.
Coming from a performance perspective ofc.

Prices in game are according to real life prices. IRL a McLaren F1 is in fact worth 18 million$.

If you are talking about price/performance, than a 1920-1930 car with 200hp that can barely take a corner, shouldn't cost 20 million either. It's the "prestige" of having the car, which for me, it's totally ok. It adds to the exclusivity and value of the actual car, and this is good for PD in relation to the car manufacturers themselves, which also feel that their cars are being valued accordingly.

What is not ok is the extremely low payouts which still remain in the game. Coupled with the fact that content is absolutely lackluster and custom races give you literal pocket change.

And of course, the extremely slow cycle of the cars in the LCD. Waiting 2 months for the same car to be able to be bought is just incomprehensible.

 

[F30clubman]

Any feedback/reviews on the 1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial Pinin Farina Coupe?

I drove it for the first time yesterday and it very pleasantly surprised me. Drives great with its short wheelbase.

 

[Pizzicato1985]

Most car prices are ok. Even those legendary cars from 1920 and 1930, I accept their price of 20M (doesnt mean i would buy them). Mclaren F1 is one of the only cars IMO that is way too overpriced. 18M is just way much for what it offers. I wouldnt give more than 10M for it.
Cobra daytona is another one I wont buy due to overprice. Its price was 12M in gtsport and it was inferior in performance to both 330p4 and ford markIV both costed 20M, witch kinda made sense.
Doesnt make much sense cobra, now, costs 20M while 330p4 and markIV cost 13M/14M combined.
Coming from a performance perspective ofc.

F1 is going to likely be 22.x million here in a few days when it drops if the cost of the engine/body is anything to go by.

5 million MORE than the first time through... I had credits set back to buy it but I don't even know that I can keep playing the game anymore.

Any feedback/reviews on the 1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial Pinin Farina Coupe?

It's fine. If you've already got Porsche Spyder, DB3S, or other racers of that era it's a competitor to them. I bought it to complete my Ferrari collection. Will probably never drive it again.

And dynamic ‘real-life’ pricing (and let’s be honest, prices are only really going to go upwards) is insulting and idiotic when they won’t allow SELLING. Also something that happens a lot in ‘real life’. And in all previous GT games, Sport included.

I’ve barely played the game for a few weeks. Unless they allow selling soon I’ll prob never get back into it. They could do it in ten minutes, but they clearly want to postpone as long as poss for some reason. Pity, but there are other games out there...

I haven't logged in since the new update. Payouts are garbage on the new races, prices of cars are increasing, still nothing to do.

Starting to think it's time to cut my losses and leave this mobile-game bs in the trash where it belongs. I've stuck around for three months and all they've added are 5 cars (I don't count a rebadge as a new car) and 6-8 races, and only three of them pay well enough to keep pace with the in-game inflation, lol. When your game is driving away hardcore fans it is well on its way to "dead game" territory. They're going to have to hit it out of the park with GT8 to get any of the old fans back, but I don't think PD a) wants to make classic GT games anymore b) they don't want the old fans sticking around that know how poor the series is compared to the first 6 games. They need new kids that think spending $100 for a car is normal; PD are no longer game developers, they're a commercial whaling company.

 

[BirdDog72]

I wonder if we'll be able to sell our legendary cars for more than we paid for them like they do in, you know, the real world.

 

[INAT]

The idiotic thing is not being able to sell cars. I whole heartedly agree with you on that and in fact have been voicing this concern since day 1.

It boggles my mind on why we still, 3 months into the game, can't sell cars. This is a feature that should've been here on day 1, but they still told us in March that we would get the ability to sell cars in a further update. That update should've been the one at the end of April... Selling cars has been a part of GT's franchise on all of them... PD's greed knows no bounds. That or they are just extremely incompetent.
End of May update and STILL, we can't sell cars. Saying that this is grinding me is an understatement.



Prices in game are according to real life prices. IRL a McLaren F1 is in fact worth 18 million$.

If you are talking about price/performance, than a 1920-1930 car with 200hp that can barely take a corner, shouldn't cost 20 million either. It's the "prestige" of having the car, which for me, it's totally ok. It adds to the exclusivity and value of the actual car, and this is good for PD in relation to the car manufacturers themselves, which also feel that their cars are being valued accordingly.

What is not ok is the extremely low payouts which still remain in the game. Coupled with the fact that content is absolutely lackluster and custom races give you literal pocket change.

And of course, the extremely slow cycle of the cars in the LCD. Waiting 2 months for the same car to be able to be bought is just incomprehensible.

I agree with this entire post lol. Been waiting forever for the mclaren, sauber and some others.