Most Useless Things in GT4
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87chevy
You hit the nail on the head there, 87. I think having the nose of the car smashed in when you hit a wall would work much better than penalties at making the game into a simulator.
RICHARDO
Very true. It is far from crippling, and it can teach you how to drive. I think it shows just how much further ahead of its time Gran Turismo really is; they've developed a massive library of cars, yet left no room for any crash physics/graphics/dynamics. And why can't you roll your car in a bad crash? Especially some place like the Grand Canyon?
Silvia Drifter
But it has to happen. Can you imagine a DTM, GT or JGTC and F race without a penalty ?
If that was the case everyone would have fouled and took shortcuts through the turns and chicanes. Deliberately bump someone or squeeze him into the apex you end up with a pit stop or pass through... right ?
- 89
the penalties don't work right
the ai is pretty useless at noticing someone is playing the game.
the very rare full model tune option, why not just put these in new cars so people see them?
Things I dispute the uselessness of:
arcade mode - can make up any combination of race for nontuned cars.
duplicates of one car type - the people who own the car or have driven it once care.
normal tires - i think i saw these in the thread. I love them. more realistic and more fun to use.
driving park tracks - motorland is fun. for someone not experianced at all beginner might be good to learn how to control the car on.
the ai is pretty useless at noticing someone is playing the game.
the very rare full model tune option, why not just put these in new cars so people see them?
Things I dispute the uselessness of:
arcade mode - can make up any combination of race for nontuned cars.
duplicates of one car type - the people who own the car or have driven it once care.
normal tires - i think i saw these in the thread. I love them. more realistic and more fun to use.
driving park tracks - motorland is fun. for someone not experianced at all beginner might be good to learn how to control the car on.
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FoolKiller
I don't completely agree. Imo there are two problems with the five second penalty:
1. the big problem with the penalty is not that the AI doesn't get it. It's that the AI is really really stupid and does crazy things for which you get the penalty. Three examples:
- You get the penalty when you're passing the AI on a straight and suddenly the AI 'decides' to steer in your direction. Not because it HAS to for a corner or something, but because it's programmed this way.
- You get the penalty when the other car forces you into a wall, because it's brutally pushing your car around while trying to pass you. Again without need (if there ever is a need for pushing a car around in normal racing
)- You get the penalty when you've spinned out and the AI smashes into you at full speed, because it isn't programmed to get off its line in a situation like this.
Once PD gets the AI figured out, the 5 sec. penaly is less of a problem.
2. A smaller problem is that you're racing against other cars on tracks that are as far as I know, made for one car time trials. The tracks are not made for cars passing each other, I think. I'm not a rally freak, but I thought it is at least rare to have two cars competing in the GT4 way. If they do I can't believe they won't hit eachother.
But you are right: you are a good driver once you've managed to pass cars without hitting them in the SC Hall and this is probably thanks to the penalty, but is it realistic to ask this from a GT4 player?
modik
You can still take shortcuts in GT4. They should penalize for that, but no, they give penalties for stupid AI behaviour (edit: and of course stupid player behaviour, the hitting the wall penalty is ok...)
btw: I never thought of that pit stop trick...That's evil
All in all I love the game, though!
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- tdyln
Well a lot of my opinions ahve already been stated by other members;
1. Worthless and undrivable cars - WHY? Nothing is more frustarting than completing a diffuclt set of races whislt being cash-strapped at that point, only to find that you get some Japanese concept car which is worth nothing. So you tune it to go racing, only to find that you can;t enter - WTF?!
2. Too many Skylines - why do we need a V-Spec 1, 2, 3, M-Spec 1, 2, 3, an N1 AND a "Midnight Purple" special color edition. These could have been replaced with some more European stuff, such as Rovers or Ferraris.
3.The wing shop. I love the idea but why do they have to be so ugly? I reckon they should match the colour of your car and look less "meccano-like".
4.5-second penalty. OK the princriple is it makes you take mroe care round hard bends, but WHY do i suffer when the AI decides to play dirty and tailgate me?
5. The Kei cars. Way too many of the slow ones, and you cant get 190 bhp or other crazy figures like you did in GT2, so their novelty giant-killing fun has been taken, and i now find them useless.
I disagree on these, however:
1. NOS. Some of the more *seasoned* GT players among us may think it's for NFS ricer boys, but i think its been one of the best additions. SOmetimes when you just want that extra boost to increase your lead or overtake.
2. The Used Wheel section. I like visual upgrades on the cars, and i was so impressed by the Wheel Shop back in the GT2 days that i was glad they increased it for GT4. Just wish you could change sizes tho.
3. The driver aids. Not all of us are expert car controllers, or indeed old enough to drive real cars, so enough of the snide "i bet your a tuner boy whose never driven before" remarks. The main appeal of a game like this is that it can be played by a range of a abilitites, and not all of us spend all day every day trying to perfect our drifting techniques in every car possible. I hated FR and MR cars in older GT games and thanks to using these when i started i now can handle rear-wheel-drive well enough without them. I for one thought they were a great help. Also wheelspin off the line is annoying, and i dont find it fun squealing tyres with too much power as i try to catch the field, but we are all different.
3. Photomode - This adds a whole new dimension to the Gran Turismo gameplay, and i for one enjoy it.
1. Worthless and undrivable cars - WHY? Nothing is more frustarting than completing a diffuclt set of races whislt being cash-strapped at that point, only to find that you get some Japanese concept car which is worth nothing. So you tune it to go racing, only to find that you can;t enter - WTF?!
2. Too many Skylines - why do we need a V-Spec 1, 2, 3, M-Spec 1, 2, 3, an N1 AND a "Midnight Purple" special color edition. These could have been replaced with some more European stuff, such as Rovers or Ferraris.
3.The wing shop. I love the idea but why do they have to be so ugly? I reckon they should match the colour of your car and look less "meccano-like".
4.5-second penalty. OK the princriple is it makes you take mroe care round hard bends, but WHY do i suffer when the AI decides to play dirty and tailgate me?
5. The Kei cars. Way too many of the slow ones, and you cant get 190 bhp or other crazy figures like you did in GT2, so their novelty giant-killing fun has been taken, and i now find them useless.
I disagree on these, however:
1. NOS. Some of the more *seasoned* GT players among us may think it's for NFS ricer boys, but i think its been one of the best additions. SOmetimes when you just want that extra boost to increase your lead or overtake.
2. The Used Wheel section. I like visual upgrades on the cars, and i was so impressed by the Wheel Shop back in the GT2 days that i was glad they increased it for GT4. Just wish you could change sizes tho.
3. The driver aids. Not all of us are expert car controllers, or indeed old enough to drive real cars, so enough of the snide "i bet your a tuner boy whose never driven before" remarks. The main appeal of a game like this is that it can be played by a range of a abilitites, and not all of us spend all day every day trying to perfect our drifting techniques in every car possible. I hated FR and MR cars in older GT games and thanks to using these when i started i now can handle rear-wheel-drive well enough without them. I for one thought they were a great help. Also wheelspin off the line is annoying, and i dont find it fun squealing tyres with too much power as i try to catch the field, but we are all different.
3. Photomode - This adds a whole new dimension to the Gran Turismo gameplay, and i for one enjoy it.
- 89
If you drove one of these it would be awesome to have the exact model in the game. Part of GTs appeal is that lots of the cars are available to the player or one day would be.
For the skylines specifically, making all the variants of one bodystyle takes a lot less work than making a unique car. Making 22 skylines cost less money than paying ferrari a million dollars or whatever they charge to have their cars in games.
Master_Yoda
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PD can easly afford a million dollarsGrayman222
THE REASON THERE ARE SO MANY SKYLINES, IS BECAUSE PD LOVES ME! NOW GIVE IT UP!
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1.do those 2 guys at the carwash have to take 45 secounds of my time to wipe my driverside rear rim and my mirror if you are gonna wipe do the whole car.
2.as mentiond above one of the car wash clowns decided to change my oil and magicly did it from the underside only
2.as mentiond above one of the car wash clowns decided to change my oil and magicly did it from the underside only
- 93
I simply can't understand how there can be "too many" of a car...the only problem is that there aren't enough of any sports car. The Skyline gets the attention, but it isn't even close to being the "worst offender". What about the MX-5 (the worst as far as "useless clones" goes)? The RX-7? Honda/Acura NSX? 3000GT? At least the Skyline has several generations and plenty more markedly different variants.
Oh, and I thought of another completely useless thing in GT4. The prize for the Saleen S7 race. You'd think you'd get a Saleen S7R, but no, you get a Nike car...a car that you already get elsewhere anyway and you paid half a million just to participate in the Saleen S7 races. There isn't a more useless prize in the game. Thanks a lot, Polyphony. Jerks...
Oh, and I thought of another completely useless thing in GT4. The prize for the Saleen S7 race. You'd think you'd get a Saleen S7R, but no, you get a Nike car...a car that you already get elsewhere anyway and you paid half a million just to participate in the Saleen S7 races. There isn't a more useless prize in the game. Thanks a lot, Polyphony. Jerks...
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The most useless thing in GT4 is defineatly the car wash
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Darkstallion
PD trys to get everything in GT as real as possible right? So if you could push a button and the car is clean thats not really ''real'', am I right?
Same with the Oil change, if you dont even have the time to watch the cars oil change, than you shouldn't play GT.
If you want to play a fast game go to the arcade mod or to need For Speed Ricerground 2009 - Push two buttons and you car is flying arond the police and the whole stupid city.
If there isnt a car wash, than its not GT because the car wash is a part of GT since GT1.
The only thing PD should improve are the animations (No car spinning!) at the car wash/oil change. 💡
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Michael88PD trys to get everything in GT as real as possible right? So if you could push a button and the car is clean thats not really ''real'', am I right?
Same with the Oil change, if you dont even have the time to watch the cars oil change, than you shouldn't play GT.
If you want to play a fast game go to the arcade mod or to need For Speed Ricerground 2009 - Push two buttons and you car is flying arond the police and the whole stupid city.
If there isnt a car wash, than its not GT because the car wash is a part of GT since GT1.
The only thing PD should improve are the animations (No car spinning!) at the car wash/oil change. 💡
1st of all NFS is gay to me lol. Anyway i know it's been part of the games since GT1 but does it actually even do anything? As i don't know if it does thats why i'm saying it's useless. Well it is to me if it doesnt do anything lol
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RE: MX5 variants... that's all Mazda's fault. As far as I know, there probably isn't a single regular MX5 anywhere. They were all special editions.
(Oh Gods, yes, I am joking... but they've had more special editions than Coke and Pepsi put together).
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Still, it brings up a valid point... why complain about similar Skyline variants when there are so many completely identical MX-5s?
(Oh Gods, yes, I am joking... but they've had more special editions than Coke and Pepsi put together).
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Still, it brings up a valid point... why complain about similar Skyline variants when there are so many completely identical MX-5s?
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Darkstallion
To me too.
(However, Need for speed was not that bad until NFS4.)
Darkstallion
Not everything has to do something to be cool or nice, its just awesome to watch that guys washing you car favourite car even its kinda useless.
Its a nice addition and it shows that PD actually cares much about their game and that they dont go mainstream.
Its something nice and...different and thats good in that drifter-ricer-copkilling-speed$hit-time.
So NFS enjoys the company of other games of the same sex? That really doesn't make any sense.
Oh, and the car wash does what the name implies. It cleans the car. Meaning it takes off dirt, which causes drag. Surely you know what drag is... right? Search wikipedia if you don't.
(it's a physics thing)
Oh, and the car wash does what the name implies. It cleans the car. Meaning it takes off dirt, which causes drag. Surely you know what drag is... right? Search wikipedia if you don't.
(it's a physics thing)
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In my opinion, I would have to say the pick-up trucks and the Honda Odyssey, and not enough selection of Mustangs like there was in GT2. I disagree with those who say "too many skylines!" I LOVE the Skyline because I'm Canadian and we can't buy the Skyline here because of import laws and stuff ( I'm not getting into it ).
I also disagree about the car wash, oil change, and buying new/used rims. I love these ideas and add some realism to the game.
I mainly don't see a point in having trucks in a racing game. Not only that I miss race modifying my car in it's home tune up section in GT2. Also, the rally races should have not been included because they really muffed up this portion of the game. Like one person said " dirt with melted butter " is what it's like driving the rally races.
These are just my opinions. But I still enjoy the game overall.
One more thing I hate in GT4: Mission 34 
I have yet to beat it. I'm still in the thread about the mission
I also disagree about the car wash, oil change, and buying new/used rims. I love these ideas and add some realism to the game.
I mainly don't see a point in having trucks in a racing game. Not only that I miss race modifying my car in it's home tune up section in GT2. Also, the rally races should have not been included because they really muffed up this portion of the game. Like one person said " dirt with melted butter " is what it's like driving the rally races.
These are just my opinions. But I still enjoy the game overall.
One more thing I hate in GT4: Mission 34
I have yet to beat it. I'm still in the thread about the mission- 89
Ermac, i've seen three or four GT-R 32s here in Canada.
I also saw a link of where to buy some on another forum. don't know if I can post that here. Between 15 and 19k on the westcoast supposedly ready to put insurance on normally because they are 15+ years old.
I also saw a link of where to buy some on another forum. don't know if I can post that here. Between 15 and 19k on the westcoast supposedly ready to put insurance on normally because they are 15+ years old.
Pink_the_Floyd
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Handbrake.
Why put it in if it doesn't make you spinning?
Unlike GT3 were the handbrake was a dream to use...
Why put it in if it doesn't make you spinning?
Unlike GT3 were the handbrake was a dream to use...
- 93
As I understand it, in Canada, after a car has become X number of years old (15?), it becomes exempt to whatever law it is that makes it illegal in the first place (it no longer needs to meet emission requirements or whatever). So now it is legal to import R32 GT-R's to Canada.
Yeah, I've just never understood how people can complain so much about the Skyline and completely ignore the MX-5. For some reason people just like to hate the Skyline...I say gimme more of them!
niky
Yeah, I've just never understood how people can complain so much about the Skyline and completely ignore the MX-5. For some reason people just like to hate the Skyline...I say gimme more of them!
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