Playstation 3 System Update Thread

Where did I say that there are on average 2 updates per month?

I don't want to go through the worry of bricking the console twice a month.

If you honestly are worrying about bricking your console twice a week due to downloading updates - then how on earth is that not suggesting that on average there are two updates per month??? Enough already!


They were not temporarily bricked, there is no evidence that those who had bricked PS3's because of the update ever got them working again with 2.41. 2.41 was released to prevent those with consoles which were still working on earlier firmwares (pre 2.40) from being bricked and there was no 'fix' for those who had already fallen victim to it.

You make a lot of bold claims. If what you claim is true, then please answer the following questions with proof of fact and not just personal opinion:

A) How many PS3's were "bricked" due to 2.40 (and not just "claimed" - if it was truly as serious as you suggested, you should have no trouble finding legal documentation outlining the scope of the "issue".

B) Why were there so few claims of bricked PS3 and why the vast majority of PS3 had no issue with the 2.40 update?

C) How many PS3s that supposedly got bricked due to 2.40 were not fixed with the release of 2.41 - as many reported did indeed fix the issue.

As big and widespread of an issue you have suggested this was, then you should have no trouble at all finding actual proof, and not just claims and personal opinion to back your statements.

Perhaps more importantly, your rant and concern over worrying about bricking your console "twice a month" every time there is an update, not only suggests that on average there is an update twice a month, but that despite there only being one confirmed issue over the last four and a half years and over 50 updates, and by most accounts that single issue impacted very few users is somehow a reason to worry about all updates.

So once again... What's the great inconvenience here worthy of a public rant?
 
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Always found the "lots of people had problems with" statements to be infuriating (not saying Robin did use that term), we get it on our forums. The problem you get is that everyone who had a problem complains about it, it's very public that something did go wrong (we had a patching problem last year, most obscure issue with the patch engine, anyway...). That "lots" of people who you see having problems are only about 0.01% of the user base. It's quite tricky to actually control and tell people "No, the problem isn't in the least bit severe."

Besides, when, like Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, you have tens of millions of users, you've not got any hiding place, because problems are going to be found that cannot be found in testing. You'll never be able to Test a product to the game time the user base will get.
 
Version 3.66 was released, and I am nearing being halfway done with my download of the 3.66 update as of this post.
 
Digital Nitrate, I think your the one turning this into a public rant because I stated an opinion I have about updates and because you don't agree with my personal preference your picking it apart, if you like loads of updates that's fine with me!

Saying that I'm worried about my console bricking twice a month is a totally reasonable statement as 28% of the time there is more than one update a month. So I'll ask again, where did I state the fact that there is on average more than 1 update per month, where did I actually say those words?

To answer you questions,

A - Sony responded to the issue with a statement so clearly it was enough to get the corporation to respond, what they said regarding 2.40 is documented everywhere.

You say I claimed it was serious, again where did I personally say that is was serious? Obviously Sony found it so serious they publicly issued a statement, withdrew the firmware immediately and issued and entirely new firmware as quick as they could. That's a lot of trouble to go to for a teeny tiny "issue".

How many were bricked?.... well more than none that's for sure because Sony wouldn't have responded saying that people had had issues with the console not restarting if the issue didn't exist.

B - That's because the majority of people who had problems were those who had upgraded the consoles original hard drive which is a small minority compared to the total number of units out there.

In addition to that ever single users content on their system is unique, if a person has one demo, game save, setting etc different from someone else it can cause a conflict which can brick the system in ways that only some people will experience.

C - Please show me these 'many people' that had totally bricked consoles due to firmware 2.40 and had it fixed with 2.41. I would love to know how they managed to install new firmware on a console that won't even boot, must be magic.
 
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Odd, My Netflix was having issues connecting to the server for days, after the update, same problem. So I had deactivated, deleted, reinstalled and it updated to 2.03 and its working again... ..odd.
 
Digital Nitrate, I think your the one turning this into a public rant because I stated an opinion I have about updates and because you don't agree with my personal preference your picking it apart, if you like loads of updates that's fine with me!

Except you did not just offer an opinion, you have consistently made false claims... as you have on multiple occasions in the past.

Saying that I'm worried about my console bricking twice a month is a totally reasonable statement as 28% of the time there is more than one update a month.

Except you are cheery picking months. The average is just one, and you know it. Not only that, but based on the number of updates that have had no issues at all, it is quite unreasonable to "worry" about each and every update, and as you have in the past, all you are doing is spreading FUD about these updates rather than offering a reasonable opinion based on actual facts.

So I'll ask again, where did I state the fact that there is on average more than 1 update per month, where did I actually say those words?

Are you serious???? Let's try this again shall we?

In fact why don't you re-read the same statement you took the time to quote and see if you can figure it out (To make it easy on you, I'll bold a key word you seem to have turned into "said" in order to try and skirt your blatant suggestion):

It is not a fact that on average there are two updates a month, or even more as you have suggested.
Where did I say that there are on average 2 updates per month?
If you honestly are worrying about bricking your console twice a week due to downloading updates - then how on earth is that not suggesting that on average there are two updates per month??? Enough already!

If you seriously do not understand the difference between saying something and suggesting something, then I suggest you go figure that out before trying to make it appear I said something that I did not! *sigh*

Enough already!

A - Sony responded to the issue with a statement so clearly it was enough to get the corporation to respond, what they said regarding 2.40 is documented everywhere.

Right, and no where has there ever been any proof that it bricked thousands let alone millions of PS3 - or do you have any proof that says otherwise???? So far you have offered no proof, all you have done so far is to make claims with no actual proof.

You say I claimed it was serious, again where did I personally say that is was serious?

Wait? So are you now saying it wasn't serious? Yet, you claim you worry about bricking your PS3 every time there is an update? You aren't even making any sense now.

Obviously Sony found it so serious they publicly issued a statement, withdrew the firmware immediately and issued and entirely new firmware as quick as they could. That's a lot of trouble to go to for a teeny tiny "issue".

Wait, so now you are saying it was a serious issue? Wow...

And as for making a public statement, yes, of course they did. It was an issue, and like any decent company they let everyone know about the issue, even though, as they and confirmed by numerous sources, and even hear on GTP among the thousands that downloaded 2.40 without any problems, that it only effected some users. And they fixed the issue right away.

How many were bricked?.... well more than none that's for sure because Sony wouldn't have responded saying that people had had issues with the console not restarting if the issue didn't exist.

Wait, so you suggest Sony considered it serious because they made a public statement and fixed the issue right away, but apparently it wasn't so serious enough for Sony or anyone else to say how many PS3 were bricked. And if few or none were fixed, as you have suggested, then wouldn't there be plenty of legal documentation (Sony is a public company after all) showing the number of PS3 that needed to be replaced?

B - That's because the majority of people who had problems were those who had upgraded the consoles original hard drive which is a small minority compared to the total number of units out there.

Here is another example where you are not stating an opinion, but making a claim of fact.

So if you know this is a fact then cite your source with proof that the majority of people who had problems were those who had upgraded the console's original hard drive.

If not, stop making false claims and simply stick to just offering a personal opinion.

I know for a fact that I had updated my HDD before 2.40 and had no issues. I also know my nephew's PS3 had a upgraded their HDD before 2.40 and had no issues. I think Foolkiller among several other GTP members had also upgraded their hard drives prior to 2.40 and had no issues with the update.

In addition to that ever single users content on their system is unique, if a person has one demo, game save, setting etc different from someone else it can cause a conflict which can brick the system in ways that only some people will experience.

Ah, the catch-all response. So basically, not only do you have no proof how many PS3 were bricked, nor do you have any explanation on why only a few were bricked, but you also have no proof that all those PS3 were permanently bricked, and had to be replaced.

Yet you continue to claim you worry about bricking the console twice a month due to the updates... brilliant.

My personal opinion based on the facts, you are just spreading more FUD... and clearly you have no interest in having a reasonable fact based discussion. 👎

As such there is no point in continuing this discussion/argument. We'll let the facts speak for themselves.
 
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It's not the PS3. This is a tired old ancient myth (debunked time after time) based on "comments" by trolls and people who don't understand how their own networks work, their ISP's network work, and the many other issues that easily explain what you are describing and that have nothing to do with the PSN... and there are countless detailed explanation and guides on how to fix individual issues.

And yet none of them have worked for me. I've changed routers, contacted both Sony and my ISP for help, used online guides, adjusted settings, DMZ'd the router, nothing has worked. I shouldn't have to keep digging through settings on my router and console to get it to work at full speed when my other consoles, my phone and my PC can all run at full speed. The PS3 is the ONLY thing in the entire house that connects at a lower speed.

Again... logic clearly dictates that if the "issue" was the PSN, then most if not everyone would experience the same so-called slow speed, when in fact there have been 3rd party speed tests comparing the download speeds of identical files over XBL and PSN, and in many cases the PSN download time was faster.

Give me that setup and I'd be happy :lol: As it is, it's nowhere near as fast.

Again, if you bothered to do some basic research you would know that the 360 only patches their system software rather than overwrite it (which is not nearly as "safe", but is faster), and as you even mentioned not very often - and not adding nearly the same amount of features as have been added to the PSN that XBL still does not have nor support - and with so infrequent updates, many "issues": go unfixed for long periods of time, despite the fact that - as you have claimed, you can be back gaming in under a minute... yet they don't fix issues in a more timely fashion - hmmmm....

I've not had a single issue with my console except for the usual red ring problem. They must be doing something right, it's never gone down for an extended period of time due to these faster updates so they seem to be working just fine. Which is all good with me. 👍

Actually you can... and saying you can't is really ridiculous, and classic hyperbole.

If I want to play online (and I do, the single player got boring very quickly) I need to do every console update that is provided, from what I've experienced so far. This is the same for every console but as I said, the others don't update quite as often.

I don't quite understand why you're so against people 'ranting' against the PS3 and the PSN. People are clearly experiencing these problems on a level that causes them to go online and rant about it. I'm not saying that they are exclusive to the PS3 because they're not, but something has to have happened to cause people to complain.

It's just that some voice it in stronger ways than others is all. At the end of the day it's just a games console and personally it's not a big issue but that's the beauty of the internet; everyone can voice their opinion.
 
And yet none of them have worked for me. I've changed routers, contacted both Sony and my ISP for help, used online guides, adjusted settings, DMZ'd the router, nothing has worked. I shouldn't have to keep digging through settings on my router and console to get it to work at full speed when my other consoles, my phone and my PC can all run at full speed. The PS3 is the ONLY thing in the entire house that connects at a lower speed.

Considering your long history of having these issues while others do not, maybe you should try and identify what is different about your network and settings from those that do not have a problem.... or just keep ranting and see which solves your problem faster.


If I want to play online (and I do, the single player got boring very quickly) I need to do every console update that is provided, from what I've experienced so far. This is the same for every console but as I said, the others don't update quite as often.

First of all, you conveniently left out "playing online" and quite clearly said, "I've got plenty to do besides play games, but sometimes you just want a quick blast on GT5 and you can't!".

Second of all, even with the updates, I and everyone else who has a proper working network with ~5Mbps download time can download and install a system update in about the same amount of time it takes someone to load GT5, find a race online, and start it.

So I and they CAN play GT5 online, within minutes of starting a system update.


I don't quite understand why you're so against people 'ranting' against the PS3 and the PSN.

I'm against ranting that involves gross exaggeration, no consideration for different point of views, misleading statements, lack of information, and worst of all, people who are simply not telling the truth.

People are clearly experiencing these problems on a level that causes them to go online and rant about it. I'm not saying that they are exclusive to the PS3 because they're not, but something has to have happened to cause people to complain.

You aren't suggesting no one lies, exaggerates, embellishes the truth, misleads, or anything like that? There is a reason there are terms like trolls, haters, griefers, etc. They exist.


It's just that some voice it in stronger ways than others is all. At the end of the day it's just a games console and personally it's not a big issue but that's the beauty of the internet; everyone can voice their opinion.

The beauty or the beast? Or are you suggesting all opinions on and off the internet are reasonable, knowledgeable, valid, and truthful?

Sadly, one of the ugliest parts of the internet are the trolls, haters, griefers, fanboys, and those with hidden agendas that spread unbelievable amounts of false information. If you think their opinion is what makes the internet beautiful, then that might explain why we often have these verbal clashes.
 
Oh this is so rich DN! :lol:

You can't produce one shred of evidence to back up your argument about 2.40 yet you keep demanding others provide evidence of everything which, guess what, you have also done with other topics in the past. Where are those 'many reports that 2.41 did indeed fix the issue' that you said you had? oh yeah you skirted the question.

As for what you think I am 'suggesting' its your opinion / interpretation, unless I actually say a statement you can insinuate all you want about its 'blatancy'.

I can worry about every update if I want for any reason, you can't tell me what is a reasonable and unreasonable way to think. I also can voice these concerns if I see fit.

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Yet you have no idea how many.

Do you?, do you know anything about any of this?, please seeing as its all about the facts and figures enlighten me because all I'm seeing is ...

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and confirmed by numerous sources, and even hear on GTP among the thousands that downloaded 2.40 without any problems

= Hearsay. Show me these sources, please. If someone said that to you as a source of information you would say those are not 'facts'. You love to ask for the facts but I don't see any coming my way. Absolute hypocrisy.

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Wait? So are you now saying it wasn't serious? Yet, you claim you worry about bricking your PS3 every time there is an update? You aren't even making any sense now.

Who said that my concerns of my PS3 bricking are in anyway directly linked to the 2.40 issue? That was the connection you made but its not true.

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So if you know this is a fact then cite your source with proof that the majority of people who had problems were those who had upgraded the consoles original hard drive.

Sony Official Statement
An update to the PS3 system software was released on July 8, 2008. If you update your PS3 system, the system software version will be 2.41. In order to download PS3 system software version 2.41, you will need a minimum 135Mb of free space on either the PS3 Hard Disk Drive (System Update) or on removable storage media (PC Update).

With this update, we have fixed the problem that has prevented a limited number of PS3 systems from activating properly after updating to version 2.40, which was caused by certain system administrative data being contained in the HDD.

Some files that the PS3 needed to boot were stored the original HDD then some people changed out the hard drive. When upgrading firmware 2.40 it searched for these files and couldn't find them. Not everyone had these files on the original HDD (due to variations in user settings etc) and they were not affected and also those who had changed their HDD's way before that update when Sony still issued the entire firmware each time were also not affected. Why would necessary files not be on the a hard drive if it wasn't the one originally installed in the system?, were could they have possibly vanished to?... oh right because its not the same hard drive in there anymore.

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My personal opinion based on the facts, you are just spreading more FUD... and clearly you have no interest in having a reasonable fact based discussion.

Bring on the facts! I have yet to see one from you, saying a few people you know have not had problems are not facts.
 
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Got the update last night. I started at 10:08PM and installation finished at exactly 10:23PM. Fifteen minutes exactly on a 2mb connection.

I still don't see what the complaints of speed are for.
 
Installed the update myself but the rate at which it downloaded it was horrible.

I'm still trying to figure it out since I connected my PS3 to my wireless router only recently. Either the wireless network card in the PS3 is absolute rubbish, or I underestimated the size of the update. I think after one hour it sat at 59%.

My connection is a 2MB connection, by the way and the Nintendo Wii, along with 3 other computers don't have any trouble with the router at all.
 
You could try and download the update on your PC and put it on memory stick, that way it might go quicker in the future. Just remember to get it from the same regional Playstation website that your console is from.

I also find that the updates download much slower on the console so I almost always get them on the PC.
 
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My personal opinion based on the facts, you are just spreading more FUD... and clearly you have no interest in having a reasonable fact based discussion. 👎

As such there is no point in continuing this discussion/argument. We'll let the facts speak for themselves.




I'm still trying to figure it out since I connected my PS3 to my wireless router only recently. Either the wireless network card in the PS3 is absolute rubbish, or I underestimated the size of the update. I think after one hour it sat at 59%.

If there was any issue with the WiFi card it would most likely effect everyone.

To try and solve a problem you need to try and isolate the difference between your set up (hardware, software, settings, provider, etc) and someone else who isn't having the same problem. Eliminate the differences and you will almost always identify the thing/things that are causing the problem.

Searching on Google you'll find just as many people having issues with various WiFi devices including 360's w/WiFi adapter, Wii's w/WiFi adapter, PC's with WiFi adapters, etc. Most of the time it has to do with an issue with the router or the settings.

Talk to any IT professional and they'll tell you the worst thing about their job is identifying issues with WiFi networks, and most of the time it's a router, and it's not just a specific make or model, but the issue can often be with a specific unit. They'll swap it out, and amazingly everything works. Not to say that is your issue, but it is to say that's how complicated many issues with WiFi networks are.

If I were you I would start by searching with your router's make and model number and PS3 settings and see what you can dig up.

I also find that the updates download much slower on the console so I almost always get them on the PC.

I have never had this problem. If your router is properly communicating with your PS3 even a 802.11b router will be able to transfer data from the PSN at speeds higher than most people's internet service provider allows.

So not only would it be just as fast as downloading it from a PC, but you also save the time from having to then copy it to a USB drive and transfer it to the PS3.
 
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If there was any issue with the WiFi card it would most likely effect everyone.

To try and solve a problem you need to try and isolate the difference between your set up (hardware, software, settings, provider, etc) and someone else who isn't having the same problem. Eliminate the differences and you will almost always identify the thing/things that are causing the problem.

Searching on Google you'll find just as many people having issues with various WiFi devices including 360's w/WiFi adapter, Wii's w/WiFi adapter, PC's with WiFi adapters, etc. Most of the time it has to do with an issue with the router or the settings.

Talk to any IT professional and they'll tell you the worst thing about their job is identifying issues with WiFi networks, and most of the time it's a router, and it's not just a specific make or model, but the issue can often be with a specific unit. They'll swap it out, and amazingly everything works. Not to say that is your issue, but it is to say that's how complicated many issues with WiFi networks are.

If I were you I would start by searching with your router's make and model number and PS3 settings and see what you can dig up.



I have never had this problem. If your router is properly communicating with your PS3 even a 802.11b router will be able to transfer data from the PSN at speeds higher than most people's internet service provider allows.

So not only would it be just as fast as downloading it from a PC, but you also save the time from having to then copy it to a USB drive and transfer it to the PS3.
I think there is a problem with the PS3 when it comes to using wireless networks. The throughput you get is a lot less than the Gigabit ethernet as expected but it is more of a problem as it cuts down your internet speed by quite a bit especially for internet connections with higher speed than say 10Mbps. I think maybe the way the wireless drivers work on the PS3 have a lot of overheads compared to a typical PC which slows things down more so and becomes noticable. A 54Mbps connection throughput is usually half that and with more overheads it will slow it down even more. Simple solution for the future for Sony would probably be just implement Wireless N to newer models.

Downloading is also limited on the PS3 as it probably does not open up as many simultaneous connections as a PC does.

It would be good if someone does a benchmark throughput for both connections and see how slow the wireless is compared to the average 54Mbps PC card. Easiest way to test is have a computer compared to ethernet and on a file server have a video. Type the file server address on PS3 and download and check the rate it says on the actual file server. Then on another computer which has 54Mbps wireless connection, download the same final and see the average. Obviously make sure both wireless devices are at the same place due to distance.

I could be talking crap about the PS3 wireless being slow but I remember my connection speeding up a lot when using wired to download things from the PSN store. Connection of ADSL2+ line was about 15Mbps so I think wireless overheads was causing the issue.

Also on the topic about bricking PS3s due to update. I usually download the firmware on a computer. This is due to a few years ago, my PS3 stopped working online after updating. It was an inconvenient time as well as I had to play a Fifa tournament match in a couple of days time. Luckily Sony sent me a replacement PS3 the next day which was awesome service. I find the problem really strange though as I could use the PS3 fine, just could not connect to any network. Like I said that is why I download it on a PC now to avoid less chance of possible corruption.
 
My wireless broadband Internet works just fine with the PS3. I have a Wireless-G setup (54 Mbps) and have had nothing bad in terms of staying connected. You probably may have to check your wireless network, wireless hardware, or things like that.
 
My wireless broadband Internet works just fine with the PS3. I have a Wireless-G setup (54 Mbps) and have had nothing bad in terms of staying connected. You probably may have to check your wireless network, wireless hardware, or things like that.
Mine works fine too in terms of staying connected.
 
Installed the update myself but the rate at which it downloaded it was horrible.

I'm still trying to figure it out since I connected my PS3 to my wireless router only recently. Either the wireless network card in the PS3 is absolute rubbish, or I underestimated the size of the update. I think after one hour it sat at 59%.

My connection is a 2MB connection, by the way and the Nintendo Wii, along with 3 other computers don't have any trouble with the router at all.
Two things to do to test if it really is your wireless. First, turn off your Wii completely and reboot your router. Not in standby mode. The only light should be red. I have heard reports of the Wii, which uses 802.11b causing the whole network to run at that rate. I haven't seen it personally, but it can't hurt to test it, and my Wii hasn't been on in ages.

Second thing is to try running your PS3 wired to see if the speed improves.

It is not impossible that something with your PS3 or your setup is the issue, but I am on 2mb wireless without any of these issues. The only time I get slow downloads I also get slow downloads everywhere else.

Also, run a speedtest.net test on your PS3's browser and then your PC.

All this said, I did not achieve this stability and speed until I reconfigured my Linksys router. My model seemed to have some annoying compatibility issues with the PS3 that neither Sony nor Cisco were trying to fix. The model is a WRT54g. Unfortunately the link I have bookmarked with how to make it run smoothly is now dead.
 
So Im a fan of cloud saving, but even though protected data can be uploaded it still may not work on another system in case it dies and is replaced. 150mb is generous I guess but those oblivion files are pretty big.

3.70 is live....
 
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Has anyone finished the update? I started before I headed out to work and have no idea what progress it's making. I'd like to know how long it takes on an average broadband line.
 
The XMB has been changed to tidy up the video section and also auto game save ability to cloud and auto trophy sync for those with ps+ only.

Wheres BBC IPlayer? It was there till I updated... :confused:
 
Wheres BBC IPlayer? It was there till I updated... :confused:

Haven't updated yet, just got that info from ign.com. Is there a drop down menu or further option?

No, it's gone and there are no options, it's a bug. There is a post about it on the Playstation forums, with a few suggestions to try and get the icons back.

http://community.eu.playstation.com...ussion/ITV-and-4OD-Players-Gone/td-p/13413381

I have not tried any of them and quite frankly I shouldn't have to mess about like that to get them back, though I'll have to at some point.:banghead:
 
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