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Obviously you were offended by what he had to say.

You said he "stuck it to you." You being the console customers (that keep them in business) that bought Crysis 1,2 because that's the only software they develop.

I am not trying to turn it into a platform debate; but apparently your sentiment is a little far.

You are mistaken, I'm saying Crysis 1 and 2 are fine ports and there is no need to buy a $3000 pc just to play the same game with better graphics. He should embrace the broader and much bigger fan base on consoles(that sold 2.3million Crysis 2's) and into next generation rather than downplaying it.
 
So you think he should lie and say that it is possible to package $3,000 worth of PC components into a $300 console? You want him to say "oh hey guys, you know your next gen consoles REALLY WILL BE superior to PC's (fingers crossed)"?

He isn't saying ANYTHING that anyone doesn't already know; except maybe those who don't want to believe it.

And I am not mistaken unless I don't understand English because that is exactly what you said. While I do agree that it is not necessary to spend that much on a PC, that wasn't the point of his statement.
 
Way to stick it to the fan base that keeps them in business.
What's he supposed to do? Lie about something this obvious just to appeas comsole gamers?

He said consoles can't compete as if its a big deal and people should all go PC just for nuclear powered graphics. I'm not questioning the platform. Please don't turn this in to PC vs Consoles discussion. I said nothing negative about PC's or anything at all about it other than their own game sales which is unrelated to PC hardware etc.
ANd neither did CryTek's CEO somethign negative about consoles. All he did was state that they can't match a gaming PC in terms of performance - and for a good reason, which would be the its price. So, I don't get why you're getting upset about that statement when it's pretty obviously factual. Unless you've got unrealistic expactations of what consoles can and can't do, that is.
 
A 3000dollar PC can never compeete with a 3000 dollar console either.
Strange way of comparison. More interresting is in that case, can a 500$ PC compeete with a 500$ PS4 (or if it is 600-700$ doesnt matter)???
I dont think so. So performance/dollar is always better on consoles. I think even 6 years after PS3 is released you cant match it with a PC. Since then games have gotten better too so a console is aging with style a pc just gets old and slow and new games are not optimized for your older pc.
And the most important thing, ps3 and 4 will be more fun to play if you have family or a party at home. Nothing beats a singstar or dance contest with friends and a couple of whiskeyshots before that.
 
Vita just got a price drop in Japan. Wonder if that will reflect over here. This could be significant in terms of pricing for the P$4. Hopefully it's a sign Sony isn't taking people's pockets for granted.
 
So, does size matter to you guys? What if the console(s) are large, like a small desktop or something like Digital Storm's Bolt?
I don't want a huge tower, but something like a small form factor PC wouldn't be too bad.

I'm more than sure it won't be desktop size but it's a hypothetical question.
 
I want it as small as it can be without negatively affecting cooling. As long as it's not any bigger than the launch PS3, I'm not really bothered by it.
 
I think with what they are wanting to put in the new PS it won't be to big. Current tech is a lot better than it used to be at PS3 launch and I bet most of it is smaller. But the size doesn't matter as long as it fits on my table lol
 
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So, does size matter to you guys? What if the console(s) are large, like a small desktop or something like Digital Storm's Bolt?
I don't want a huge tower, but something like a small form factor PC wouldn't be too bad.

I'm more than sure it won't be desktop size but it's a hypothetical question.

As long as its not any bigger than the fat ps3 I don't care honestly.
 
So it seems we all generally want something of launch PS3 size? Ehh, I think it's going to be a bit more beefy with the components like GFX card, fans, etc.

We'll see tomorrow 👍 (And what a devastating day it will be if we don't)
 
Eks
I think it's going to be a bit more beefy with the components like GFX card, fans, etc.

I disagree. Have you seen inside a launch PS3? The majority of the bulk was taken up by the power supply, Blu Ray drive and the cooling fan.

Things, as in chip manufacturing processes and power efficiency, have moved on greatly since 2006; the PS3 Slim and Super Slim are proof of that: They're smaller, consume less power and produce less heat as a result meaning the power supply and cooling arrangement are more compact.

About the processors: The PS3 used the Cell processor, it was the first production application of that particular chip, so it was still very young when the PS3 launched with room for improvements to the power efficiency and die size. According to Wikipedia, the PS3's power supply started off at 380W and finished up at 190W, the GPU and CPU 'process' (let's just say 'size') started at 90nm and finished up at 40/45nm. So the power requirement and processor die size shrank considerably over the PS3's lifespan, as we know. Edit: Apologies, the power supply ratings aren't particularly helpful when it comes to the actual power consumption of the processors. Wikipedia says the power consumption while idling at the XMB menu varies from 171-176W for the launch model to 58W for the Super Slim, and in-game (using Final Fantasy XIII as a benchmark) it's between 195-209W for the launch and around 70 for the Super Slim. Still massive improvements, though!

The PS4, on the other hand, is rumoured to be using AMD's Jaguar architecture which is an evolution of their pre-existing Bobcat, it's an architecture for a low power APU (accelerated processing unit). According to that link, each Jaguar core is manufactured with a 28nm process and each will be 3.1mm^2. Of course that doesn't mean the CPU in the PS4 will simply be the exact size of eight 3.1mm^2 cores, but it's still pretty small! The 'low power' part is key, too, I don't know how low it'll be exactly but if the thing is intended to be AMD's low power APU then I imagine it'll be, well, low. It's safe to say the GPU will be similarly-specced otherwise the CPU may present something of a bottleneck, but it's worth pointing out that the GPU isn't a pure GPU, it'll be a GPGPU in a similar vein to Nvidia's CUDA architecture so it can be used like a CPU for some tasks, meaning the CPU might not be as much of a bottleneck as you may expect.

Aaaaanyway, that's going off on a tangent. Just by comparing the power requirements alone you can see why the PS3 ended up so small compared to how it started; lower power means less heat (and less heat means smaller cooling apparatus) and a smaller PSU. If the PS4 is using low-power processors which are already at a small process size it's a sure thing that the power requirements will be significantly lower than the launch PS3's.

Combine that with an even smaller Blu Ray drive (which is likely, as they put them in laptops now)... It's very unlikely that the PS4 will be as big as the launch PS3.
 
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oUya is super small, even smaller than pad. So there is no reason to suspect that PS4 could be bigger than PS3.

Although PS3 was bigger than PS2 and PS2 was bigger than PS1. So knowing that we all should assume that PS4 is going to be enormous. :lol: even bigger than firs Xbox.
 
oUya is super small, even smaller than pad. So there is no reason to suspect that PS4 could be bigger than PS3.

Although PS3 was bigger than PS2 and PS2 was bigger than PS1. So knowing that we all should assume that PS4 is going to be enormous. :lol: even bigger than firs Xbox.

The Ouya is in absolutely no way a competitor to Sony, Microsoft or even Nintendo, so I don't see how that has any bearing on the size of the PS4...?
 
It looks like Sony could get a VIP at their event tomorrow. Square Enix's technical director Yoshihisa Hashimoto is right now on a flight from Japan to JFK airport. We know that SE has been showing off their next gen game engine "Luminous Engine" at every press event that they could attend, and with the big event coming tomorrow night, it will be only a matter of time if Hashimoto's flight is related to that, or merely a coincidence.

http://thesilentchief.com/2013/02/19/why-is-square-enix-yoshihisa-hashimoto-headed-to-new-york/
 
The Ouya is in absolutely no way a competitor to Sony, Microsoft or even Nintendo, so I don't see how that has any bearing on the size of the PS4...?

It's only showing that ps4 could be that small because ouya is. It's possible even by the engineering point of view.

Build me a car faster than McLaren F1, with 1000hp and that will go over 400 km/h. No it's impossible! and then ...
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It's only showing that ps4 could be that small because ouya is. It's possible even by the engineering point of view.

Build me a car faster than McLaren F1, with 1000hp and that will go over 400 km/h. No it's impossible! and then ...
240px-Bugatti_Veyron_16.4_–_Frontansicht_(1)%2C_5._April_2012%2C_Düsseldorf.jpg

One day we'll have PS4-quality graphics in our phones, we know this from experience; as technology goes on, what was once a real feat of engineering becomes commonplace. But: the PS4 is expected to release this year and cost about £300 so it won't be the size of the Ouya. It'll take a good few years for that sort of thing, and I'm pretty sure the PS5 or PS6 will be nothing more than a tiny box with a display connector because it'll just be a cloud gaming terminal.

The Veyron is a pretty poor choice of comparison seeing as how much bespoke engineering, time and money went into the thing, not to mention the fact that they nearly gave up because of it being, well, nearly impossible.

I mean, why not just go for the obvious?

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Because making PS Vita was not impossible, it's just step forward. :) As for the cloud gaming well that's true. PS5 or Later might be looking like smallest USB Key for your laptop.
 
^ If we master quantum computing.

Ouya is running a Tegra 3 processor lol. It has the same components as my 7" Nexus tablet.

But you know what will be interesting....

Ouya devs plan on releasing an updated console ANNUALLY!

It will probably pass up the other consoles in graphical power by the time next gen is done....
 
Because making PS Vita was not impossible, it's just step forward. :)

Yeah, that's my point. The Veyron was and still is a one-off (a 250mph mass produced car that is comfortable, reliable and easy to drive, before you point out the Hennessey Venom GT and SSC Ultimate Aero), but what the PS4 can do will one day be widely available (in first world countries, anyway) in tiny packages, it's just that this won't happen this year.
 
We live in a times when size does matter. Sadly :sly: But i wouldn't mind for PS4 to be same size as PSX, no not the PSone but this Japanese PSX, that thing was huge.

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Sony advertising the event all over the Champions league matches today.

Edit:Hmmmm so they focused on Granturismo in their video (indicating a GT announcment tomorrow?)
 
There's a rumor going around that says "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use.

I really hope that this premium is PS Plus and they aren't going to do what Microsoft is doing.
 
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