PMC Discussion Thread: 3.0 Interest Check

[Nicknamealguem]

SlipZtrEm, the new editing section is good, but there is still space for crop it a little bit. I've been thinking about this in the past phew days, I'll see what I can slice.

About PMC week 8 poll, I still didn't receive any note from the Judge, I'll give at least until 22h GTM.

Edit: Oh and the new competition sounds great. I really love the idea of the Manipulation or Graphic week. 👍

 

[gtsomething]

Disregard my previous post in this topic, I like the new editing section slip.

 

[Revolution.]

Edit: Oh and the new competition sounds great. I really love the idea of the Manipulation or Graphic week. 👍

Glad you like it, I was hoping it'd give people a good variety of different things to do week to week

 

[Possum-Eater]

Yah know? I really must say this this time. I really do not agree with the judging on the photomode competition week 8!! I can understand mine not being in the poll, but most of the pics selcted for polling weren't near as good as some of the ones that didn't make the poll. I really dont agree with the judging!

There I feel better now.

 

[Northstar]

Yah know? I really must say this this time. I really do not agree with the judging on the photomode competition week 8!! I can understand mine not being in the poll, but most of the pics selcted for polling weren't near as good as some of the ones that didn't make the poll. I really dont agree with the judging!

There I feel better now.

It really depends on what the judge is looking for, just because an image looks great it may not fit the theme as well as the judge would like so it won't get included.

For instance this weeks theme was "First corner" and the judge wanted people to show the types of things that happen in the first corner following a start. I saw some really great pics but they didn't really fit the theme well.

Of course the judge does vary, sometimes they will let what fits into their theme slip a tad and some are rather strict(like this weeks seems to be).

 

[atlop]

It really depends on what the judge is looking for, just because an image looks great it may not fit the theme as well as the judge would like so it won't get included.

For instance this weeks theme was "First corner" and the judge wanted people to show the types of things that happen in the first corner following a start. I saw some really great pics but they didn't really fit the theme well.

If this is true then the themes and their explanation text and the text in the poll really need to be written more carefully. In week 8 it said this in the explanation:

"Capture a moment from a grid start to "the first corner" - either chaotic or sublime"

So it was not just about the first corner. I'm not complaining about who did or did not get in the poll, what I'm saying is that the explanation text or some shorter version of it should always be in the poll as well. Now it just says "First corner" which is only a part of the theme.

 

[Possum-Eater]

If this is true then the themes and their explanation text and the text in the poll really need to be written more carefully. In week 8 it said this in the explanation:

"Capture a moment from a grid start to "the first corner" - either chaotic or sublime"

So it was not just about the first corner. I'm not complaining about who did or did not get in the poll, what I'm saying is that the explanation text or some shorter version of it should always be in the poll as well. Now it just says "First corner" which is only a part of the theme.

Yeah, and the one wioth the 458 braking lights doesn't even look like a first corner even though we all know it is the first in Monza, it is a good picture but it doesn't convey ANY emotion or even look like the first corner to me....

 

[s-oso]

Yeah, and the one wioth the 458 braking lights doesn't even look like a first corner even though we all know it is the first in Monza, it is a good picture but it doesn't convey ANY emotion or even look like the first corner to me....

People selecting weakly entries are the ones that decide which one is up to the rules and which one isn't. If they always do that it is debatable, but I don't see it why people voting should be even bothered with reading and voting based on topic.

 

[Forgetful]

I understand the concept of the shot, and I quite liked it. The most common time you'd see a large pack of cars all braking at the same time is the first corner, first lap. It was one of the most unique shots and it appears the judge, who set the theme in the first place, got it too.

Since voting is public the theme means little to nothing once the judge selects the poll. People who entered pics might vote with the theme more in mind, but I doubt most others do.

But if the judge stays true to their theme, then playing to the theme is what's going to get you in the poll in the first place. Then... may the best pic win. It's the reality of the format.

 

[MiniMarco]

I have an idea for a new competition

gtp survivor: photomode

we pick 20 talented applicants, 10 old hands and 10 noobs of the site, split into two teams. everyweek jeff probst (if we can't get him, maybe some regular of the forum) picks a challenge. we vote for the best picture and the team with the most votes wins and doesnt have to go through tribal council. the other team's members vote via private message to vote out one from their team (votes will not be revealed like on tv to save from cat fights). then maybe after a month teams merge and competes for individual immunity. At the end the last 6 runner ups vote for the winner out of 3. It'd be cool if at the end the last 3 competitors comment on all the pictures of the people who got voted out.

winner gets made a moderator... or maybe just bragging rights, whatever.

I guess this will only work with dedicated members and will probably last 6 months+

what do you guys think? I think it would be fun...

 

[Sam_Fear]

I have an idea for a new competition

gtp survivor: photomode

... or maybe just bragging rights, whatever.

what do you guys think? I think it would be fun...

How about several even teams of 4. Each week each team enters 2 pics in a poll. Losing teams boot a member. 5th (last) week 4 way poll - 2 entries each.

(I think that works mathmatically... )

I would even suggest allowing entries that have been entered in comps before, but haven't made a poll.

 

[MiniMarco]

I think if its several teams and they submit 2 entries, that's two of them not showing anything. We don't even need teams, that's just how the show is always done.

I think it would be more interesting to be more of an individual thing. there could be a separate discussion thread and the first post would have competitor bios.

The whole thing should last months, like the real thing, so it's not about lots of people participating, it's actually the reverse where less and less people enter photographs. It's more a spectator thing where we will see better and better pictures after weeding out the under performers. maybe the last challenge you would be required to shoot and entire set.

and about allowing entries that haven't made the poll, if it didn't enter the poll, it probably isn't gonna win anyway so entering that would get you kicked off.

 

[Sam_Fear]

I was thinking more in terms of The Apprentice since I've never actually seen Survivor.

If you've been looking through the Photomode (not 2.0) Comps the last several weeks, there have been some excellent pics that haven't made the poll for various reasons.

6 Months would need a lot of dedicated participants. Several small teams would limit the weeks it covered, eliminating several players each week.

Just some thoughts....

 

[boozybloke]

Wow, it sounds pretty complex, my first thought is "who is going to want to organise this?" Secondly I'd be surprised, if this were to be organised and begun, if some of the members wouldn't have to drop out during the competition unless they were able to skip weeks- we all have outside influences that stop us from being able to take part online from time to time.
Thirdly- what is the point of having teams? Are they to collaborate to provide the best body of work as a team, or just to have teams for the sake of it? If the latter; why not just go with an X Factor/Pop Idol type voting system instead?

I think you might be trying to overcomplicate what is quite a nice simple little system of showing work created to a theme and judging a winner on a week by week basis, though I admire your enthusiasm to come up with the concept.

 

[lukey2985]

i think the forum is getting cluttered with old competitions which are now closed. i think someone made a thread where they showed all the winners. couldnt they moderaters delete the old ones and sticky that thread? i dont want to cause arguements though, its just and idea.

cheers lukey

 

[Lellep]

I'm all for it:tup:

 

[SlipZtrEm]

There is a thread where we highlight all the winners; you've posted in it. We will never be deleting the old threads themselves because they're good to store for review; since they're locked after they're done, they will sink to the bottom, but they're handy to keep around incase someone re-uses an image when they shouldn't.

As an aside, I don't think you will need another warning about lazy grammar...

(EDIT) I decided to merge this with the current Discussion thread, just to keep it all tidy

Also, there are rumblings of another competition starting up... more details to follow

 

[GrandPrix]

I really hate complaining about something like this, but it seems like when people quote entries, people see them more, and others who may not have voted for that entry, may change their mind because others like it. I know it still comes down to people voting for which one they WANT, but instead of quoting the entire entry (photo included) what if they just left a comment like @example123, great photo!...or something like that in a post after the entry?? Once again, I hate to be the person to complain like this but what does everybody think?

 

[Forgetful]

I don't really see it as a problem. I don't really make any choices until I see the poll, and seeing a photo more than once doesn't change how I feel about it.

I do believe it also asks voters to look at each photo in full size before voting.

 

[GrandPrix]

I've been thinking about it for a bit and I guess your right. I know personally, I'm always torn between 3 or 4 in the final poll. It doesn't really matter though, its just a photo comp.

 

[Captain Roh]

I just saw the photoshop competition for the first time! Some strange and wonderful entries in that one 👍

 

[ragnar666]

There is a thread where we highlight all the winners; you've posted in it. We will never be deleting the old threads themselves because they're good to store for review; since they're locked after they're done, they will sink to the bottom, but they're handy to keep around incase someone re-uses an image when they shouldn't.

As an aside, I don't think you will need another warning about lazy grammar...

(EDIT) I decided to merge this with the current Discussion thread, just to keep it all tidy

Also, there are rumblings of another competition starting up... more details to follow

Myabe just an "Archived Photomode Competition" forums because I also agree its pretty cluttered and it would be much nicer to be able to pop into the photomode comp forums and just see the 3 Comp thread and the 3 Poll threads for each week.

Just a suggestion.

 

[VolvoV50Driver]

My thoughts for a competition would be for those buddind editors out there. Apologises of this has been mentioned before or maybe an old idea from GT4 but couldn't see anything obvious. Why not get a stock picture (maybe from the previous weeks winner, much like the theme is chosen) and allow people to edit it. Could be as tame as 2.0 or as full blown as advanced Photoshop.
I think it would be quite cool to see 15-20 different interpretations of the same shot!!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Myabe just an "Archived Photomode Competition" forums because I also agree its pretty cluttered and it would be much nicer to be able to pop into the photomode comp forums and just see the 3 Comp thread and the 3 Poll threads for each week.

Just a suggestion.

Hmm, the WRS has that, so I will run it by the rest of the staff and see

My thoughts for a competition would be for those buddind editors out there. Apologises of this has been mentioned before or maybe an old idea from GT4 but couldn't see anything obvious. Why not get a stock picture (maybe from the previous weeks winner, much like the theme is chosen) and allow people to edit it. Could be as tame as 2.0 or as full blown as advanced Photoshop.
I think it would be quite cool to see 15-20 different interpretations of the same shot!!

I believe we did have something similar to this back in GT4 too, and it is a lot of fun, though yeah, it'd be for post-GT editors only. A fun companion that's been brought up a lot (and could follow more in PMC's lack of editing) was the CCCL (Certain Car, Certain Location) comp, where it was a single car/track combo and people had to go from there. You'd be surprised at the variation possible. I believe there was talk of this returning, but I don't know what happened...

So, on the topic of new competitions; Dice1998 posted about Video Comps over in the Q&A section after a discussion in the chatroom, and I thought it should be brought up here. It surely wouldn't attract as many people as the current comps (oh, how nice it'd be if that proposed straight-to-Youtube feature had made it), but I'm positive we have some members who might be curious about it. Thoughts on that as well?

 

[SVX]

My thoughts for a competition would be for those buddind editors out there. Apologises of this has been mentioned before or maybe an old idea from GT4 but couldn't see anything obvious. Why not get a stock picture (maybe from the previous weeks winner, much like the theme is chosen) and allow people to edit it. Could be as tame as 2.0 or as full blown as advanced Photoshop.
I think it would be quite cool to see 15-20 different interpretations of the same shot!!

I think this sounds good.

I have a question for this comp if it was done, would some people (like me) that don't have a PS3, be allowed to enter maybe? Because PS3s are really expensive, and I like editing pictures, I think it could be fun.

 

[Nicknamealguem]

My thoughts for a competition would be for those buddind editors out there. Apologises of this has been mentioned before or maybe an old idea from GT4 but couldn't see anything obvious. Why not get a stock picture (maybe from the previous weeks winner, much like the theme is chosen) and allow people to edit it. Could be as tame as 2.0 or as full blown as advanced Photoshop.
I think it would be quite cool to see 15-20 different interpretations of the same shot!!

I believe we did have something similar to this back in GT4 too, and it is a lot of fun, though yeah, it'd be for post-GT editors only. A fun companion that's been brought up a lot (and could follow more in PMC's lack of editing) was the CCCL (Certain Car, Certain Location) comp, where it was a single car/track combo and people had to go from there. You'd be surprised at the variation possible. I believe there was talk of this returning, but I don't know what happened...

Yep, there was something similar to that, and was called the Creative Competition, hosted by Franz.
It would be cool to see it making a return, with the picture being chosen by the previous week winner and with full photoshop rules.

And yes SVX, anyone would be able to enter it, even without a PS3. 👍


About the CCCL, I'm confident it will make a return pretty soon.

 

[SVX]

And yes SVX, anyone would be able to enter it, even without a PS3. 👍

Awesome! I would probably be in.

 

[SVX]

Sorry for the double post.

I'm very interested in this comp, would it be possible to make this happen? If we do, could we have like a "Crazy" edit were you can do anything to it, and a "Normal" edit, were you do normal editing?

Just throwing ideas out here.

 

[boozybloke]

With all the debate that's 'raged' on in the photocomp poll thread, it might be a good time to open some discussion about what people expect from the competition.

A few people have pointed out the sentiment that it's more about the challenge than it is about winning, and while I agree with that in principle, at the end of the day it is a competition that is entered with the hope of winning, or at least doing well. I think the difficulty that we're encountering is that people expect the competition to be based on technical and aesthetic merit, and how well the theme is conveyed, when in reality it's more of a 'popular photo' competition.

Is this in time going to mean that less time, care and initiative is used in the chase for votes; with the shots conforming more and more to an established winning 'formula'? Will people stop entering, choosing to focus their creative abilities elsewhere feeling that they would be wasting their time trying to come up with something original that would be overlooked by many for yet another picture of a Ferrari going round a corner?


I feel it could, and if it did it would be a shame. But there's nothing more downheartening than spending 2 hours plus on coming up with an entry that you think is new, exciting, original, artistic... and then not making the poll for a bunch of standard shots that you could have replicated easily yourself but didn't because you wanted your own picture to stand out and look special. I know that sounds a little bitter, and to a point it is.

Still, does anybody have their own opinion on this that they'd like to share?

Edit; That did sound more bitter than I meant really. At the end of the day the competition is just a bit of fun and that should be remembered, my point was that if people take it less seriously, they're not going to try as hard to come up with good stuff.

 

[ChaosStar79]

Edit; That did sound more bitter than I meant really. At the end of the day the competition is just a bit of fun and that should be remembered, my point was that if people take it less seriously, they're not going to try as hard to come up with good stuff.

I'm sure that this is bitter too:

BUT, I'd love to participate in a contest that was acceptable to take seriously. I have no clue how that could really be done on here though due to the differences people have in knowledge and tastes, but it sounds great. Even if it's a "Survivor" style contest it would be fun.