PMC Discussion Thread: 3.0 Interest Check

Hello Folks!

Now, with the holiday weekend in, er, a week, and the end of the year not far behind, the hosts have come to a point about 2.0 rules, and we'd like the community's opinion re: HDR images.

Specifically, in relation to the increasingly common "faux-HDR" options some editing software allow, we're curious how everyone feels about those as well as the proper, multi-image approach. Should we open the rules up to allow proper HDR? Include the faux methods in "Things you may not do"? Voice your opinions here!
 
nanabu
2nd that !!!!!!!

and i would like to see a group based theme sometimes
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I would like that too.
Like make a 3.0 PMC somewhat semi-photoshop?
Or a group based theme PMC with HDR and deep editting?
 
Great idea the 3.0 👍 .....I'd like to see this type of competition not only allow HDR but just about everything else, a 'gloves are off' type of thing and utilise all the tools at your disposal.
It would be interesting to see the concepts others come up with as long as they remain within the 'Theme' remit. :)
 
If HDR has to be included, I think it should be added in 2.0 and not create a 3.0 comp especially for this.
There are already 5 comps (PMC, 2.0, SSC, CCCL, PSC) and I believe it's enough.
 
Fido_le_muet
If HDR has to be included, I think it should be added in 2.0 and not create a 3.0 comp especially for this.
There are already 5 comps (PMC, 2.0, SSC, CCCL, PSC) and I believe it's enough.
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Perhaps the 3.0 could be a stand-alone comp with a longer timescale ie: Once a month with 2-3 weeks to enter ....good for tweaking and refining etc...plus 1 week for voting, I think this would impact less on the other comps IMO :)
I'm not that big on HDR tbh but it would be nice to have more scope than the 2.0 allows :sly:
 
Faux HDR should be allowed, as it's quite hard to not have massive artifacts from one picture, but having a full bracketed HDR allowed seems a bit unfair. I think having a 3.0 would be great. 1 week HDR, the other week Panoramas/Photo stitching, set to a theme.
 
Gtuned
Faux HDR should be allowed, as it's quite hard to not have massive artifacts from one picture, but having a full bracketed HDR allowed seems a bit unfair. I think having a 3.0 would be great. 1 week HDR, the other week Panoramas/Photo stitching, set to a theme.
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👍👍 An even better idea.
 
Hmm, I tend to be of the opinion that the 2.0 should remain a 'single-image' competition, that is to say, multiple exposures are a no-go. It just opens up a whole other world of possibilities and widens the gap between the beginners and the seasoned vets.

I wouldn't be opposed to having some sort of rotating roster, say once every one or two months have a free-for-all style 2.0 week in which HDR and all that is allowed, just to let people express those sort of creative styles in a limited outlet.

I'm okay with faux-HDR being allowed under the regular 2.0 ruleset, so long as the image is comprised of strictly one exposure.
 
a new comp would be nais but iam afraid of loosing other 2 comps which are 2.0 and photoshop , the lack of interest would be huge because of all the possibilities in the 3.0 hdr panorama multiple cars and so on , this is a another world .


once a month would be nice but it should be in secret and you have to have "a" partner .

we would avoid all the spams and who does not read the rules wont even make it into the qualify . "did he say qualify" yes i did , this should take a little longer because we are in a group . so the poll would take 1~ week " monday is A vs B and wednesday is C vs D and so on . the themes would be much better and complicated , iam kind of bored of what we have right now . " all cars here and there blabla"

but we shouldnt forget the tournament tough.

btw thx to SlipZtrEm for the best of best Polls .



NINJA EDIT : maybe even theme vs theme , each group can choose his own theme .. just an idea :P

imho
 
I still think it'd be a fun new competition
PMC Advanced 3.0, and like i said, alternating weeks, like with CCCL
Odd # - HDR
Even # - Panorama
Say first weeks theme is a free for all HDR, then next week, Panorama at like, Kyoto or something. have a set theme and go from there. I think the entries would be absolutely amazing.
And i wouldn't mind being the host too :D
 
I would be in favor of a "2.1" competition where basically you keep all the guidelines of 2.0 but also allow for some more "artistic" filters should people choose (mimic-HDR, night vision, etc.).

Basically allowing touchups and filtering to already quality Photomode pics, but not going full-fledged Photoshop.
 
I think the Photoshop Edit comps should be just that - use all the abilities of Photoshop to create your entry.

Heck - if you're entering a PShop Comp, you should know how to do it...

(I have enough trouble following all the rules for these different comps anyhow - I think a 3.0 or 2.01 would just melt my brain) :dopey::dopey::scared:
 
Personally I wouldn't want the current 2.0 comp rules to change in regards to HDR, I think this would create too bigger gap between the 'pros' and the 'amateurs'. The way we have it now makes the competition accessable to everyone and doesn't the raise the bar so high that it would 'put off' the beginners.
As to a 3.0 'no-holds-barred' comp, I kinda like Gtuned's idea but wonder about yet another comp - this is pretty much what the Photoshop comp is, though the emphasis of the themes would be different. However I think such a competition would need to run for more than a week to allow time for entries - maybe bi-monthly would be enough.
Of course there's nothing stopping anyone from trialing such a concept (would not be an official comp to begin with but if it takes off and the community wants it you never know what might happen).

My 2 cents worth anyway. :)
 
Perhaps it could be something added to the photoshop comp, either as options to the manipulation/graphics choice (call it enhancement?) or as a secondary option. Changing the current 2.0 would, as Nato said, create a bigger gap in skill and make it less accessible to casual folk who don't know how or possess the tools. The photoshop comp is generally already at a very high skill level and adding this would open further options to those not good with graphics weeks, for example.
 
I'm more in favor of either or both of the following:

A. Allowing Faux-HDR in 2.0 as is. Like GTuned said, its almost impossible to not have tons of artifacts and banding in them, so If you are able to pull it off and make it look good, more power to you.

B. Allowing once a month to have, as others have said, a 3.0 comp in place of the 2.0. I wouldn't be opposed to using multiple images/stitching and full on HDR. Just not adding in real world objects/pictures and other items. That is what the Photoshop comp is for.
 
Just a suggestion, but why not rotate the photoshop comp with a 3.0 comp?

Then you could make the photoshop rules slightly more restricted?

For example, take a photoshop theme from a week or so ago, the police chase one (first one that came to mind) The theme could be police chase, but must a panorama, or must be HDR with users making it to poll possibly being asked for each of the EV images previous etc.?

Just my suggestion.

I would like to see the possibility of HDR included as am pretty new to it and find it quite fun to play with (sadly with poor results atm, but a competition would give me inspiration and drive to get better).

To sum it up, I would be more in favour of a 3.0 that allows multiple photos of all varieties (panorama and HDR etc) but against an edit of 2.0 as i think 2.0, as said before, restricts enough to keep average and beginner photoshop users involved.
 
If no one minds, when I come back from vacation, i'll set up a 3.0 non offical poll, where it's just HDR/Panorama and see what comes of it
 
Excellent discussion, folks 👍

It's got me thinking - could the idea of "3.0" (thanks GP :P ) be rolled into the existing Photoshop comp? My reasoning for asking is because some weeks (typically Manipulation ones), we see very few entries, and something more approachable and less comparatively time-intensive like HDR or panoramas could prop up entry numbers by a healthy amount. It'd be Rev's decision of course, and I wonder how it'd wedge in to his tidy current setup of Manip/Graphic, but it's worth some thought, I believe.

Alternately, a trial-run of a 3.0 could work. We'd need a host (handy that Gtuned's offered), and it wouldn't be official, for at least a while. We're already running 5 different competitions, and I can assure you guys from the questions Jordan and I get from front page articles, they already are sort of confusing to outsiders.

(Obviously, they're just crazy :P )
 
The reason I suggested the 3.0 is because the Photoshop comp is mostly for graphic design and image manipulation. (not really "photos" per se) There's many people making HDR photos out there and it would nice if they were able to enter a competition with them, without having to add any external stuff. :D

If it could be worked into the current Photoshop comp that could work too. So every 3rd week could be a 3.0 HDR/Panorama Photo Week, with the existing two categories, perhaps? :)
 
Grand Prix
If it could be worked into the current Photoshop comp that could work too. So every 3rd week could be a 3.0 HDR/Panorama Photo Week, with the existing two categories, perhaps? :)
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This was my thinking, if Rev is OK with it of course.
 
I'm kind of intrigued by the possibilities of adding a THIRD editing category to the PS comp, perhaps "Enhancement" or something along those lines? That would offer the sort of photoshop freedom that I think we're searching for, without fragmenting the existing competitions too much. It'd take a bit of organising and re-jigging of the ruleset but I wouldn't mind giving it a trial week or two in the new year.
 
Revolution.
I'm kind of intrigued by the possibilities of adding a THIRD editing category to the PS comp, perhaps "Enhancement" or something along those lines? That would offer the sort of photoshop freedom that I think we're searching for, without fragmenting the existing competitions too much. It'd take a bit of organising and re-jigging of the ruleset but I wouldn't mind giving it a trial week or two in the new year.
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I think that adding a third rule set for the Photoshop competition, the best option so far, it would bring more interest to the competition and would not fragment existing ones. It's the best option, IMO.
 
Revolution.
I'm kind of intrigued by the possibilities of adding a THIRD editing category to the PS comp, perhaps "Enhancement" or something along those lines? That would offer the sort of photoshop freedom that I think we're searching for, without fragmenting the existing competitions too much. It'd take a bit of organising and re-jigging of the ruleset but I wouldn't mind giving it a trial week or two in the new year.
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Yeah, this was along the lines of what I was thinking, as well. Allowing more "enhancements" (via HDR, artistic filters, etc.) than 2.0, but not going full-out "image creation/manipulation" like the current Photoshop competition.

👍
 
So! With the busy Christmas/New Years season out of the way, does anyone object to running a trial of this '3.0' style category in the Photoshop comp next week? It'd be added as a third editing category in addition to Manipulation and Graphics, perhaps titled "Enhancement" as I previously mentioned. Any suggestions/objections?
 
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