POLL: Do You Like The <1,000,000 Cr. Gift Restriction?
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Interesting... I think a less controversial way of closing the loophole would have been disallowing a sent car to be sent back to the same person (at least for a certain period of time). Initially that would have restricted borrowing, but with the new system, no problems.
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- Bavaria
- TheGermanBastorD
I dislike the new gift restriction! Why?:
I think the 1.000.000 Cr limit where a good idea, if it was setup'd since the first day!
Now it's pointless & too late. Too much have now a filled their garage with dupped cars & everyone who's starting with the game now has a massive disadvantage!
Not to forget that the gift restriction is not only per day, it's also per PS3! I am sure it ends in a big family with just one PS3 in a massacre!
How to get uber expensive cars now? Gringing, grinding & grinding! For me it looks like PD/Sony want that everyone is running their Playstations 24 hrs.
After goldished all licences, all races in a & b spec, nearly all special races you can do with the advantage of a pad (no wheel owner here) & all saisonal events, trading was a very welcome variety to play the game.
I only traded to collect the last Standard cars, buyed over 750 Standard cars with my own cash. Do i need Standard cars for driving? Hell no, i need a cockpit view. And of course i traded to get rare cars or the X2010's, which was unbeatable for me with a pad before update 1.06.
24h races: without a save and resume option? No thanks, i don't like to let my PS3 on over some days & kill my brand new PS3 just to get a dump trophy.
Online races: maybe when they have created a sort of class races, f.e. SuperGT. And a new restriction system where not a dump 12 year old kid can set up the restrictions for his own advantage.
And not to forget the fact that around 90% can't play online because the poor design of the PSN can't open the ports on your router. Had to open the ports manually in my router to get the online races working. How much of the PS3 players are IT experts?
Dump grinding: to get the rest of the cars, no thanks! Now there is nothing left for me. Next saisonal events in 2 weeks, done in under 2 hrs, pfff. 👎
Thanks Polyphony Digital, you have killed my gaming & online experience!
Time to move on. Cheers.
I think the 1.000.000 Cr limit where a good idea, if it was setup'd since the first day!
Now it's pointless & too late. Too much have now a filled their garage with dupped cars & everyone who's starting with the game now has a massive disadvantage!
Not to forget that the gift restriction is not only per day, it's also per PS3! I am sure it ends in a big family with just one PS3 in a massacre!
How to get uber expensive cars now? Gringing, grinding & grinding! For me it looks like PD/Sony want that everyone is running their Playstations 24 hrs.
More dead Playstations = more sold Playstations = more cash for Sony.
It's all about business $$$
After goldished all licences, all races in a & b spec, nearly all special races you can do with the advantage of a pad (no wheel owner here) & all saisonal events, trading was a very welcome variety to play the game.
Trading connects people around the world, just look at the marketplace.
I only traded to collect the last Standard cars, buyed over 750 Standard cars with my own cash. Do i need Standard cars for driving? Hell no, i need a cockpit view. And of course i traded to get rare cars or the X2010's, which was unbeatable for me with a pad before update 1.06.
24h races: without a save and resume option? No thanks, i don't like to let my PS3 on over some days & kill my brand new PS3 just to get a dump trophy.
Online races: maybe when they have created a sort of class races, f.e. SuperGT. And a new restriction system where not a dump 12 year old kid can set up the restrictions for his own advantage.
And not to forget the fact that around 90% can't play online because the poor design of the PSN can't open the ports on your router. Had to open the ports manually in my router to get the online races working. How much of the PS3 players are IT experts?
Dump grinding: to get the rest of the cars, no thanks! Now there is nothing left for me. Next saisonal events in 2 weeks, done in under 2 hrs, pfff. 👎
Thanks Polyphony Digital, you have killed my gaming & online experience!
Time to move on. Cheers.
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- atomicjellyfish
I completely understand why they did this, so now some 10 year old kid can't be gifted an X2010 and go and ruin the online experience for the rest of us (I've seen that too many times lol). But at the same time it was fun because some me and some friends would exchange LM race cars, use them for a day, and then give them back, just for the fun of it. I don't think them limiting this is that big of a deal, but I know for cheater, errr, dupers it's the end of the world.
Actually, come to think of it I like this feature
Actually, come to think of it I like this feature
I completely understand why they did this, so now some 10 year old kid can't be gifted an X2010 and go and ruin the online experience for the rest of us (I've seen that too many times lol). But at the same time it was fun because some me and some friends would exchange LM race cars, use them for a day, and then give them back, just for the fun of it. I don't think them limiting this is that big of a deal, but I know for cheater, errr, dupers it's the end of the world.
Actually, come to think of it I like this feature
Yes they can. You can still gift ANY CAR, OF ANY VALUE. Please read the other threads regarding this.
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WHO SUFFERS?
That is the stupidest part of any of this argument. The poor people who suffer, boo hoo. No one suffers if I buy a Sauber and dupe it. No one.
The only thing suffering is the ego of people who realize that I can play for a little, go to work, go drink, have sex, and sleep in in the same span that they're running their (duped) X2010 around a circle 200 times to buy the same car.
Cheating is one thing (more of an exploit, but semantics). But people don't suffer, EVER, when someone dupes an expensive car. With the restrictions and moderation available online, if someone gets beat by a "duper" in an online race, it's because the duper is a much better racer than them, period.
And your analogy to counter mine is wrong. There's no value lost by PD if I dupe my stuff, unlike the restaurant losing food which actually costs them something. A restaurant prices a meal for profit, period. I managed one for three years. So it's like you pay a single price for a buffet meal (or buy a video game for $60), and in the middle of your unlimited meal (your GT5 career) they limit what you can have (stupid limit on trades).
tl;dr: Duping hurts no one, and it's a sad excuse by people who have way too much time/too sensitive about video game accomplishments.
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- huskeR_32
As I read through this thread, I can't help but notice all the "PD apologists" comments made about people who supposedly "think GT5 is perfect." The problem of course, is nobody is saying that. There are two groups on this forum:
1. The chronic complainers who apparently can't deal with imperfection in this world, who feel the need to let everyone know how unhappy they are with it at every opportunity, and for some reason feel the need to belittle anybody who doesn't join them in their PD-hating crusade.
2. The people who like GT5, acknowledge its flaws, hope for better changes to come, but choose to spend their time enjoying the good parts of the game, which are many.
To those of you in group 2, thanks for the great site to hang out on 👍
1. The chronic complainers who apparently can't deal with imperfection in this world, who feel the need to let everyone know how unhappy they are with it at every opportunity, and for some reason feel the need to belittle anybody who doesn't join them in their PD-hating crusade.
2. The people who like GT5, acknowledge its flaws, hope for better changes to come, but choose to spend their time enjoying the good parts of the game, which are many.
To those of you in group 2, thanks for the great site to hang out on 👍
Seismica
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To follow from my previous post: (Read the post in the link before reading this current post) https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=185784&page=23#post4924559
Look at how many people are whining in this thread now. This is a game, you are supposed to work to progress in the game to get the most out of it, that is how it works. People are saying "How does it affect you when I dupe...". Well, the moment online play is put into the mix is how.
Say for example, somebody was playing the old Pokemon games on the GBC. There were certain cheats that allowed you to duplicate items, such as master balls and whatnot. Duplicating these items by exploiting a cheat made progression in the game a lot easier then intended. It also meant that your friend could turn up with a gamesave with the same level of progress but with significantly less effort put into it and potentially beat you in a battle. This is only good for the person who is cheating. It is immoral, unfair and simply lazy. There are 1000 cars in this game and it is understandeably going to take a long time to collect them all. If you're only here for the racing, go to rFactor. With the addition of mods they have significantly more cars available right from the off. But GT is and always has been intended as a RPG, where you have to put effort in to progress and obtain the best cars to beat your opponents.
I don't like the update for various reasons, but you guys who are whining about it 'because you can't cheat any more' have got what was coming to you. Now you have to actually put some effort in to get those prestigious cars. Good luck with that, it's what the rest of us have been doing all along without whining about it. I would be more sympathetic if you could form a valid argument that doesn't include the 'I play the game less than everyone else but I want to progress at the same rate' argument, regardless of your real life circumstances.
There is also the argument that 'I have still had to work for the cash just like everyone else...'. Yes, but only once. Being able to hit the £20million limit and buy unlimited number of every car in the game is not what everyone else is doing. That my friend, is cheating. A quick example; using Famine's GT5 Complete Car Database, I used the =SUM function to calculate that the sum of money required to collect a small proportion of the cars in the game (i.e. those with the price listed in this database) is £189,947,307. That's for mainly premium cars.
Of course, some of you dupers have formed valid arguments (Aimed at PD, poor online marketplace system, low prize rewards etc. Basically, arguments aimed at tackling the source of the problem instead of morally justifying cheating), and if you are one of those ignore the above, because you are not a 'whiner', even if you are unhappy with the situation.
To those still whining about it without the inclination or ability to form any reasonable and/or valid arguments; this may be an internet forum, and you may only be discussing a video game (Which after all, is just a game and doesn't matter), but it doesn't mean you have to follow the crowd and act like an idiot.
To sum up, this update is too little too late and they (PD) shouldn't have implemented it. But the dupers are feeling it the most because their exploit is no longer applicable, and I have to admit, I find that hilarious.
Look at how many people are whining in this thread now. This is a game, you are supposed to work to progress in the game to get the most out of it, that is how it works. People are saying "How does it affect you when I dupe...". Well, the moment online play is put into the mix is how.
Say for example, somebody was playing the old Pokemon games on the GBC. There were certain cheats that allowed you to duplicate items, such as master balls and whatnot. Duplicating these items by exploiting a cheat made progression in the game a lot easier then intended. It also meant that your friend could turn up with a gamesave with the same level of progress but with significantly less effort put into it and potentially beat you in a battle. This is only good for the person who is cheating. It is immoral, unfair and simply lazy. There are 1000 cars in this game and it is understandeably going to take a long time to collect them all. If you're only here for the racing, go to rFactor. With the addition of mods they have significantly more cars available right from the off. But GT is and always has been intended as a RPG, where you have to put effort in to progress and obtain the best cars to beat your opponents.
I don't like the update for various reasons, but you guys who are whining about it 'because you can't cheat any more' have got what was coming to you. Now you have to actually put some effort in to get those prestigious cars. Good luck with that, it's what the rest of us have been doing all along without whining about it. I would be more sympathetic if you could form a valid argument that doesn't include the 'I play the game less than everyone else but I want to progress at the same rate' argument, regardless of your real life circumstances.
There is also the argument that 'I have still had to work for the cash just like everyone else...'. Yes, but only once. Being able to hit the £20million limit and buy unlimited number of every car in the game is not what everyone else is doing. That my friend, is cheating. A quick example; using Famine's GT5 Complete Car Database, I used the =SUM function to calculate that the sum of money required to collect a small proportion of the cars in the game (i.e. those with the price listed in this database) is £189,947,307. That's for mainly premium cars.
Of course, some of you dupers have formed valid arguments (Aimed at PD, poor online marketplace system, low prize rewards etc. Basically, arguments aimed at tackling the source of the problem instead of morally justifying cheating), and if you are one of those ignore the above, because you are not a 'whiner', even if you are unhappy with the situation.
To those still whining about it without the inclination or ability to form any reasonable and/or valid arguments; this may be an internet forum, and you may only be discussing a video game (Which after all, is just a game and doesn't matter), but it doesn't mean you have to follow the crowd and act like an idiot.
To sum up, this update is too little too late and they (PD) shouldn't have implemented it. But the dupers are feeling it the most because their exploit is no longer applicable, and I have to admit, I find that hilarious.
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Ahem, you conveniently forgot group 3:
The people who believe there's an unwritten book of rules to which all of us gamers have to adhere to. If we play in a way which is contrary to them in any way, we are 'cheaters' or 'dupers' or whatever other term they come up with. These people derive satisfaction from "achieving" or "attaining" something in a game that 'FEW others can do'. Therefore their happiness stems from the fact that they enjoy something that others do not really have the time to attain. And this is all about a game. I label these people elitists. This website's full of them. Since that term is apparently taboo for some unknown reason, I'd call them the 'holier than thou hardcore' brigade.
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The value lost is the fact that the X1 pretty much means nothing anymore as everyone seems to have one. If it was still rare like it was supposed to be, it would have been a car everyone would desire and try their hardest to earn.
Personally I don't really care, I don't like the fact that people duplicate cars, but that is up to them. All I'm saying is, I agree with PD stopping this as they want certain cats etc to remain rare, as do I.
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- SolidMatt9
Love it. Anything to piss off dupers. I actually lold when I read that part of the update.
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- Ferdbags
I agree with this guy. There is definitely group 3. I've traded twice. Both cars I really, really wanted, and was a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time away from earning the 22m required for both. I traded legitimate cars, for cars that where most likely duped. Do I give an F? Not a chance.
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It is truly pathetic how much schadenfreude and contempt certain members of this site have for others.
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- JeffKill
1. Who cares about the X1? It's retarded anyway. Let the people who want to race them online go ahead and race them. If you pull that car out in one my rooms, you get the boot, end of story.
2. These are virtual cars in a video game! They have no value, we all have them on the disc we paid $60 for.
3. Why do you want cars to be "rare"? Would you feel so special if you had a certain car and nobody else had it? IF that is the case, you really need to set some real goals in life and find a proper sense of achievement.
4. PD never said they wanted any car to be rare. The option to gift cars was included since day one. Therefore the X1, or any other "rare" car could have been passed around like a Taiwanese hooker eventually regardless.
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Apparantly duping is still possible without limitation (except once per day per system, which also applies to normal trading)...
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- huskeR_32
Can't really argue with you here. My point was that the group of "PD apologists" that many continue to refer to is a myth. It's really annoying that anytime somebody just tries to say they enjoy the game, and refuses to waste their time complaining, they're called a blind Kool-Aid-drinkin PD-apologist tool.
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- papero1974
I agree with this part. They had years to find a correct game balancing and restrictions. I hate these last minute changings while I'm looking to follow a strategic approach.
Not agree with duping, but why disadvantage new users? How many copies of GT5 do they think to sell now that duping is forbidden?
The grinding->more PS3 sold equation is very interesting. 👍
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- huskeR_32
I personally enjoy when a game has something that will take a long time to obtain. I don't buy video games that often, so when I plop my $ down for a game, I want to know it will keep me playing for awhile. Knowing some of these cars will take me awhile to get is part of the fun for me. But different strokes for different folks and all that 👍
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- djpuk54
I opened an account on here just to vent my displeasure at the update 1.07 and new rules!
The way I see it is, if the over-serious, Die Hard GT fans don't like or use the duplication / gifting aspect of the game then they should hold their heads up high, proud in the knowledge that they don't do it and get on with playing the game how they want to play it.
Stop judging others who do use the system, which after all was and has been part of the game in some way shape or form since release.
IMHO if I pay for something, it's mine. I can use it how l like, when I like.
If there is an exploit in the game that doesn't involve hacking, then why should you not use it? Also what's with the ONE gift per day per PS3 rule! That's just taking the Pi$$.
The one gift per day rule, per account was fair enough but there are several users in my household who play GT5 who use the same PS3. Shocking!
Anyway, at the end of the day, what harm does it cause those that don't use the exploit? None!
If you do dupe you get more cars in your garage, save some money, which is ludicrously hard to earn anyway, and also have some FUN! So what.
If you choose to do it fine, if you don't choose to do it fine. We should all be able to get on and play the game how we want to, simples!
I'm not normally a forum ranting type of guy but this just made me so mad!
Anyway Peace and love and all that $h1t after all it's only a game...
The way I see it is, if the over-serious, Die Hard GT fans don't like or use the duplication / gifting aspect of the game then they should hold their heads up high, proud in the knowledge that they don't do it and get on with playing the game how they want to play it.
Stop judging others who do use the system, which after all was and has been part of the game in some way shape or form since release.
IMHO if I pay for something, it's mine. I can use it how l like, when I like.
If there is an exploit in the game that doesn't involve hacking, then why should you not use it? Also what's with the ONE gift per day per PS3 rule! That's just taking the Pi$$.
The one gift per day rule, per account was fair enough but there are several users in my household who play GT5 who use the same PS3. Shocking!
Anyway, at the end of the day, what harm does it cause those that don't use the exploit? None!
If you do dupe you get more cars in your garage, save some money, which is ludicrously hard to earn anyway, and also have some FUN! So what.
If you choose to do it fine, if you don't choose to do it fine. We should all be able to get on and play the game how we want to, simples!
I'm not normally a forum ranting type of guy but this just made me so mad!
Anyway Peace and love and all that $h1t
after all it's only a game...they want to make their damn minds up, first the money goes up then down, then the xo goes down then up, now you cant trade any decent cars with anyone.
If they are going to do this they should make the UCD much much bigger and not have the cars rotate so quickly, if you do a 6 race championship you can miss a whole cycle, or auto trader esque where you can put the feelers out for a certain car.
They also want to take out the 20mil limit and send the prize money through the roof, cos nothings gonna make me get pi55ed off and sell this game on quicker than not being able to buy the cars i want when they are (for the first time in ages cos of the stupid UCD) available to me and i cant get them cos the money system is pitiful
If they are going to do this they should make the UCD much much bigger and not have the cars rotate so quickly, if you do a 6 race championship you can miss a whole cycle, or auto trader esque where you can put the feelers out for a certain car.
They also want to take out the 20mil limit and send the prize money through the roof, cos nothings gonna make me get pi55ed off and sell this game on quicker than not being able to buy the cars i want when they are (for the first time in ages cos of the stupid UCD) available to me and i cant get them cos the money system is pitiful
Seismica
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To be fair, the Duplication glitch would not exist if we couldn't back up our saves. It was when the community badgered PD forever to have the ability to backup games that we opened up this exploit. PD just identified it far too late.
There are many online games out there that became completely broken with hacks because it means new players are at a disadvantage from the outset. This exploit is not too dissimilar, because it's just like a money cheat.
The only refuge we have is that online races are still primarily based on driving ability. But this fact does not make the Duplication exploit suddenly fine.
The 'system' is an exploit, a glitch, a form of cheat that the developers never intended to be in the game. The developers don't want you to play the game like this, they're the ones who changed it. It was either this, or the re-implementing copy protected save games which is a lot worse...
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