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- chances14
because some people have a nasty habit of caring about how other people play their games that has no affect on them whatsoever
POLL: Do You Like The <1,000,000 Cr. Gift Restriction?
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because some people have a nasty habit of caring about how other people play their games that has no affect on them whatsoever
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- huskeR_32
LOL at every little nit-picking complaint about how "GT shouldn't be this" and "PD screwed us over so bad with that." Who determines what it should or shouldn't be? And before anybody comes at me with "blah blah blah, we've all been expecting x,y, and z, and the fact that we didn't get it shows that PD doesn't know its customers/fans," let me point out that it seems to be a fairly even split on this site between people who love the game, and people who seem to hate it. So obviously, this mythical ideal that PD should have known to aim for doesn't exist. They put out a game that, like every other video game ever made, doesn't please everybody. But it is still a fun game for many of us, and we'll continue to be happy with it. I can't believe how much time some of you waste on being mad at this game. Life is so much bigger than this. Instead of spending hours whining online, go outside, hang out with friends, spend time with your family, or whatever. And for an hour or two a day, play GT5 and focus on liking the good things about it. And if you can't find ANY good things about this game, if its truly that bad, trade it in, stop playing it, and stfu.
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- danonite
Doesn't bother me.
So they gave us a GT5 with some nice physics for some cars and all other features mediocre to very bad.
They add features we don't want, like Remote Races!
The remove features we liked, like gifting expensive cars, without STILL allowing us to sell them, test them or give us an option to have them all unlocked in Arcade mode for those who don't wont to get bored to death!
I was slightly disapointed in GT5, now I am regretting buying it. I am through with this awfull game. It's not fun, it's a chore!
They add features we don't want, like Remote Races!
The remove features we liked, like gifting expensive cars, without STILL allowing us to sell them, test them or give us an option to have them all unlocked in Arcade mode for those who don't wont to get bored to death!
I was slightly disapointed in GT5, now I am regretting buying it. I am through with this awfull game. It's not fun, it's a chore!
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- huskeR_32
Isn't this what everybody on this site keeps asking for, is PD to change the game? And now you're saying they should just leave it alone?? Jesus...
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- huskeR_32
The part you're missing here is that its YOUR OPINION that the game is now worse. So you think PD must personally approve each change it makes with every person who owns the game before they can make it?
Change the game yes in a way they improve whats wrong. Like a share with friends that now works that should have worked from day one. Soft race tires that are faster in the rain than rain tyres. Wicked shadows in replays..... You call this a change ok but not an improvement.
When they limited us on sending a car a day, they did it for a reason, like locking the save game. And dont tell me that at Polyphony they only got idiots that can code but not think farther than their feet and didnt realise that people would start trading????!!!
On the other hand someone noticed that in remote race the one gettin the VW Nardo wins at least 98% of the time???
To all you PD apologists who defend everything PD does and cheer them for even the most stupid decisions:
This update doesn't just kill duping!
This update kill car gifting since it's no worth gifting the cheap cars!
So they added a stupid feature, Remote Races! 👎
And removed a usefull feature, gifting! 👎
One bad feature more, one good feature less... GT5 is getting worse, worse than the junk it already was!!!
In others words: have fun GT apologists grinding B-Spec, all the others should find another driving game!
GT5 was and is a scam! Good job PD, you fooled us! But you won't again...
This update doesn't just kill duping!
This update kill car gifting since it's no worth gifting the cheap cars!
So they added a stupid feature, Remote Races! 👎
And removed a usefull feature, gifting! 👎
One bad feature more, one good feature less... GT5 is getting worse, worse than the junk it already was!!!
In others words: have fun GT apologists grinding B-Spec, all the others should find another driving game!
GT5 was and is a scam! Good job PD, you fooled us! But you won't again...
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- MadmanApex
i have two S. Vettel Red Bull X2010s. I earned one by getting all bronze cups in the vettel challenges and the other by melting my ps3 into the carpet (at home) while getting to B-Spec lvl35. I dont care how anybody else 'earned' or 'didnt earn' their X2010 or 200+ X2010s. I drove my ass off, kinda it only took a few tries, at the Nur, Monza and Suzuka. Now PD pitties the talentless-hacks who cry about how hard getting a simple bronze is and lower the requirements for bronze. THEY HAVENT EARNED THEIR X2010. what PD should have done is make two sets of times, one for people with a wheel and one set for those using a controller. i'm not saying those with controllers dont have any talent because I DONT HAVE ANY racing talent with a controller. maybe it's because the last time i used a controller was GT2, i dont know.
Yeah i'm a duper. yeah, i voted that i dont like the restriction. I dupe the cars i dont plan to race with in order to beat the game. the rest of the cars, i dupe; to collect the cars that i like and want to drive around.
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- huskeR_32
To all you PD apologists who defend everything PD does and cheer them for even the most stupid decisions:
This update doesn't just kill duping!
This update kill car gifting since it's no worth gifting the cheap cars!
So they added a stupid feature, Remote Races! 👎
And removed a usefull feature, gifting! 👎
One bad feature more, one good feature less... GT5 is getting worse, worse than the junk it already was!!!
In others words: have fun GT apologists grinding B-Spec, all the others should find another driving game!
GT5 was and is Scam!
Exactly. Go find another game. If I truly think something is junk, I get rid of it. But I don't waste my time telling any and everybody around me about how much I hate it. I get rid of it, I find something I like, and I enjoy life. You should try it.
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- grrlpurple
I don't dupe, never will, as I disagree with cheating - you are only cheating yourself at the end of the day. I would much rather feel satisfied that I have earned my way through a game.
I have a say I fall on the 'dislike' side of this. Whilst this will stop the unadulterated duping of expensive cars it also punishes the genuine players who would like to gift and swap cars with friends that are worth over 1mil credits.
It's like being back at school where the whole class is punished for the wrongdoing of one or two individuals.
I have a say I fall on the 'dislike' side of this. Whilst this will stop the unadulterated duping of expensive cars it also punishes the genuine players who would like to gift and swap cars with friends that are worth over 1mil credits.
It's like being back at school where the whole class is punished for the wrongdoing of one or two individuals.
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- cyruscloud
I've been with the GT series since GT2, and with 2,3,and 4 I never cheated. I collected every car as well as every RM version of cars on GT2 legally, had multiple memory cards to store them on to get around the garage limit. GT2 the career mode was already fairly long with a lot of prize cars, after that you could earn about 300,000 in 10 min or so, the most expensive car was 2,000,000 I believe so wasn't that hard to collect everything. GT3 had a lot less cars, and fairly good payout so no problem there. GT4, a quite long career mode, plenty of prize cars, and you could earn I think it was 785,000 in about 25 to 30 min or something, most expensive cars I think were 3,500,000. Once again not a far stretch to collect all cars, although I never did since some cars for the first time I believe could only be gotten through certain events like special events or license test, which was an annoyance as I really hated that 240sec wait between attempts on the last special event, however I came close to collecting them all. GT5, what can I say, really shot A-spec mode, B-Spec got way too much attention, the racers are all double length of A-spec events to B-Spec is really twice as long, not that many prize cars to be gotten specially considering few will ever attempt the 24 hour races. I run the 24 hour events in GT4, with B-spec speedup I could do it in about 10 hours, not that bad for a fairly cool running PS2 and wouldn't cost that much to replace. Running a PS3 for 24 hours, not happening for me, specially considering I have at times had random power outs in the location. Add to that car prices at 20 mil, best credit earning at around 117,000 per 4 minutes, so around 1.7 mil an hour, now it's back to 98,000 per 4 min so around 1.2 mil an hour again. You are looking at 60 hours or so grinding just to get a few of the most expensive cars, and ones like the GT40 you will have to get lucky for it to show in the UCD otherwise you are sitting on that 20 mil.
Breaking it down, early flaws of the game, exp too low, credit payout too low, lack of events, a wall once you get to level 25 or so and a huge I mean 100x greater than any GT game before of grinding to try to collect all cars in the fair way. Even with duping which GT5 makes the first of the games I've ever cheated with, it is still a huge task to collect all cars, few have done it at this point, as first you need to find the cars in UCD or find someone with them to trade, then you still can only do it once a day unless you use multiple accounts then it still would only be a few a day probably. I started trading a couple months ago, and useing the save trick a couple weeks after it was allowed and I still only have gotten to around 450 cars now, aiming to get most of the big priced ones out of the way first. I found this fun though, it actually got me back into playing GT5, I actually quit playing a little while before backing up saves was allowed because I couldn't see myself grinding for 300 hours or more just to buy the 100 most expensive cars. So trading became fun, it was like using a large number of ucd to get the cars you want, getting a couple new cars for your collection a day. Some cars like the 370Z academy, you may miss entirely, if you weren't lucky enough to get it from a level ticket then your only hope is to get it through trade or make new ID's and repeat till you get it, without duping who would trade one, so only option 2 would be logical, some fun there.
So what do we have now, well the most rare cars are off the market, so it's back to flipping through the ucd over and over till you finally find the special car your missing. Add to that since you can't trade those high dollar cars you can't buy the really expensive cars without cost anymore, true a cheat but this means the grind is back, if I find a 2J in the UCD, 14 mil spent, 8 hours of grinding to recover. So collecting all cars just got a good 20x harder and it was already hard even with cheating.
GT5 is just a screwed up game, they keep changing everything so you can't build any kind of strategy to playing the game in an enjoyable way. If they want to fix the game here is the steps I think they should take.
-Leave exp as it is, the recent increase feels better, gives less reason to fill like you are exploiting seasonal events, you can choose new events easier since completing one may level you up enough to choose several, "good new change"
-Increase money payout or make prize cars sellable and repeatable like the old GT games, money payout is way too slow to ever try to collect all cars which is what many like to do. The payout is fine early levels but it should increase a lot more as you get to high level events, more like 750,000 for each FGT event with a 2 mill bonus or something would work better for a high level event.
-Increase standard events, game is still way too short, seasonals are fun but not a replacement since they rotate you can't go back and play the best ones.
-Restrict level on seasonals, it's not right how playing one seasonal can jump you from level 2 to level 12, makes early game a big skip, the payout and exp is good for high level players looking for new racers but unbalances low levels. Level restict them and make them repeatable may make them more fun and cure game balance issues.
-Open back up trading of all cars or at least make the most wanted rares cars permanent members of the online dealership. People won't have reason to need to trade for cars as much if they can buy them.
-Either create a save system for the longest endurance racers or bring back b-spec driver subing with acceleration. Real life drivers can run up to 4 hour stints, and maximum of 8 hours total. So any driver racing for over 8 hours is unrealistic to begin with. Also in reality after their stints are done many drivers take a nap so having to watch your b-spec driver run the full race isn't really realistic either, so speeding through it really isn't much different than sleeping through it and it's more green, less energy used from PS3's running for little good reason.
If the above is done, then people will be able to get money at a good rate and with more events the grind will seem to nearly vanish. Rare cars can be bought with the money people earn so people will likely be buying cars fairly. Game progress will be much more normal since seasonals won't upset it so much and the current exp rate flows pretty well. Since people can get cars in a more reasonable fashion then the constant trading of the same cars using exploits won't really be needed so trading will turn back into some more normal with tuned cars, rarer ucd street cars, or alternate colors of cars will become more the normal for trading. Top that with a more realistic yet still challenging take on endurance races and you might see more people actually complete the game fully as most now probably do everything but the longest endurance races.
Breaking it down, early flaws of the game, exp too low, credit payout too low, lack of events, a wall once you get to level 25 or so and a huge I mean 100x greater than any GT game before of grinding to try to collect all cars in the fair way. Even with duping which GT5 makes the first of the games I've ever cheated with, it is still a huge task to collect all cars, few have done it at this point, as first you need to find the cars in UCD or find someone with them to trade, then you still can only do it once a day unless you use multiple accounts then it still would only be a few a day probably. I started trading a couple months ago, and useing the save trick a couple weeks after it was allowed and I still only have gotten to around 450 cars now, aiming to get most of the big priced ones out of the way first. I found this fun though, it actually got me back into playing GT5, I actually quit playing a little while before backing up saves was allowed because I couldn't see myself grinding for 300 hours or more just to buy the 100 most expensive cars. So trading became fun, it was like using a large number of ucd to get the cars you want, getting a couple new cars for your collection a day. Some cars like the 370Z academy, you may miss entirely, if you weren't lucky enough to get it from a level ticket then your only hope is to get it through trade or make new ID's and repeat till you get it, without duping who would trade one, so only option 2 would be logical, some fun there.
So what do we have now, well the most rare cars are off the market, so it's back to flipping through the ucd over and over till you finally find the special car your missing. Add to that since you can't trade those high dollar cars you can't buy the really expensive cars without cost anymore, true a cheat but this means the grind is back, if I find a 2J in the UCD, 14 mil spent, 8 hours of grinding to recover. So collecting all cars just got a good 20x harder and it was already hard even with cheating.
GT5 is just a screwed up game, they keep changing everything so you can't build any kind of strategy to playing the game in an enjoyable way. If they want to fix the game here is the steps I think they should take.
-Leave exp as it is, the recent increase feels better, gives less reason to fill like you are exploiting seasonal events, you can choose new events easier since completing one may level you up enough to choose several, "good new change"
-Increase money payout or make prize cars sellable and repeatable like the old GT games, money payout is way too slow to ever try to collect all cars which is what many like to do. The payout is fine early levels but it should increase a lot more as you get to high level events, more like 750,000 for each FGT event with a 2 mill bonus or something would work better for a high level event.
-Increase standard events, game is still way too short, seasonals are fun but not a replacement since they rotate you can't go back and play the best ones.
-Restrict level on seasonals, it's not right how playing one seasonal can jump you from level 2 to level 12, makes early game a big skip, the payout and exp is good for high level players looking for new racers but unbalances low levels. Level restict them and make them repeatable may make them more fun and cure game balance issues.
-Open back up trading of all cars or at least make the most wanted rares cars permanent members of the online dealership. People won't have reason to need to trade for cars as much if they can buy them.
-Either create a save system for the longest endurance racers or bring back b-spec driver subing with acceleration. Real life drivers can run up to 4 hour stints, and maximum of 8 hours total. So any driver racing for over 8 hours is unrealistic to begin with. Also in reality after their stints are done many drivers take a nap so having to watch your b-spec driver run the full race isn't really realistic either, so speeding through it really isn't much different than sleeping through it and it's more green, less energy used from PS3's running for little good reason.
If the above is done, then people will be able to get money at a good rate and with more events the grind will seem to nearly vanish. Rare cars can be bought with the money people earn so people will likely be buying cars fairly. Game progress will be much more normal since seasonals won't upset it so much and the current exp rate flows pretty well. Since people can get cars in a more reasonable fashion then the constant trading of the same cars using exploits won't really be needed so trading will turn back into some more normal with tuned cars, rarer ucd street cars, or alternate colors of cars will become more the normal for trading. Top that with a more realistic yet still challenging take on endurance races and you might see more people actually complete the game fully as most now probably do everything but the longest endurance races.
Not necessarily responding to the previous post, just stating a fact that I have the Vettel X2010, and I have probably actually participated in a total of FIVE B-spec races, meaning I actually sat there and gave my Bob instructions. I also have the Carbon X1, which someone gifted me and I know they duped.
NEITHER CAR WAS "EARNED".
Constantly running 9-hour B-Spec races when I'm not even at home, away at work or class, and eventually reaching level 35 is not "racing" OR "driving", and it's certainly not "earning" my Vettel X2010. What it is though is stupidity that it's required to fully make use of the game.
GT5 is in many ways one of the best games I have ever played. At the same time in other ways it is EASILY one of the most POORLY DESIGNED games that I have ever played.
NEITHER CAR WAS "EARNED".
Constantly running 9-hour B-Spec races when I'm not even at home, away at work or class, and eventually reaching level 35 is not "racing" OR "driving", and it's certainly not "earning" my Vettel X2010. What it is though is stupidity that it's required to fully make use of the game.
GT5 is in many ways one of the best games I have ever played. At the same time in other ways it is EASILY one of the most POORLY DESIGNED games that I have ever played.
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- huskeR_32
Go find where I said the game is better. Seriously. I'll wait. And I'll wait some more. And then some more. All I said was that I enjoy what I realize is an imperfect game. And I think more people should try that outlook. And now I have to go cry myself to sleep because I'm a "troll"...
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- BlackoutBilly
- BlackoutBilly
Couldn't have said it better. PD's been running around with their pants down, embarrassed that some people found a way to exploit their already flawed game, so it's time to enact some silly restrictions to make them feel better about themselves. Maybe they should spend their efforts trying to do constructive things with the game rather than spiteful things. I've never seen a developer act in such an immature manner. Glad I benefited from the system before they decided to be douches. Looks like I'll finally start utilizing all these car tickets I've been keeping around.
Forza 4 - Fall 2011 can't come sooner.
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- Negrumir
Actually, I have looked through the marketplace and found that I couldn't trade if I wanted to. Why? Because everyone and their brother has an X2010, FGT, and all the other amazing cars everyone wants... with 0 miles on them. Well that's fine for them, they'll just dupe the car to another person and get a car in return whether the other guy duped or not. Which means that me and my non-duping self will lose out...
...Not only that, but the over-flooding of extreme cars means anything that's not 5 million or more is essentially worthless. So if I want any car at all from someone else, be it a rare car for 40k or even close to 700k I'd have to give up a Minolta or Toyota Seven and they give up nothing. Not only that, but the next guy is offering 5 x2010s all in different colors for the same car.
So it does kind of affect me.
This is why I've stayed away from trading. The problem now is that I can't get any super special cars or even offer one to someone else. :/
Duping and flooding the market totally ruined the trading of guns on Borderlands. While PD current solution isn't the best, at least they're trying to do something[/].
Besides, earning a nice car rather than having it given to you makes it more special.
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- CRaccoon23
Amen. Well said. 👍
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- RizlaTML
so i got all bronze in vettel challenge.. it gave me an x1... i reached level 35 in bspec it gave me an x1... i have two of them now.. useless... i wanted to trade for a couple cars but i guess thats not happening now
Oh, I will, don't worry! No one is forcing me to play GT5 and actually I have stopped playing since I was hoping for some good fixes. Now it's obvious they won't happen! So GT5 is over for me...
I just expressed my disapointment with GT5 1.07 and I have stoped hoping that it will ever become a mediocre racing games (it was a bad racing game before 1.07 and very bad now!). If PD wants a game for their apologists then GT5 obviously isn't for someone who even remotely likes and cares about racing!
So, as I said have fun B-Spec grinding, wall-riding automatic A-Spec and having your PS3 on for weeks to earn enough virtual credits! That's not racing, that's an addiction! But, hey these are not "cheating", these required "m4d ski11z" and they earn "m4d r3sp3ct" in the GT5's apologist community! But "duping" is cheating, "boohoohoo, please ban the ch34t3rs PD, boohoohoo!"! You should be happy...
I want a racing game, not a boring RPG!
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The problem with using the value of cars on the Marketplace as a yardstick for how duping has affected you is that trading doesn't exist in GT5. GT5 has/had a gifting feature. GT5 does/did not have a trading feature (and in fact PD has taken many measures since the game came out to limit it even more).
You can't claim that duping ruined an aspect of the game for you when that aspect wasn't actually an official feature in the game.
You can't claim that duping ruined an aspect of the game for you when that aspect wasn't actually an official feature in the game.
Not necessarily to everybody.
