Polyphony Digital partnership with Ayrton Senna Institute announced

eSZee
WHy not donate to those kids directly instead of going through someone who will take 90% of your donation?
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I can barely take care of my own stuff sometimes unfortunately :(
 
The Senna license is a pretty sensible one. There's a pretty delicate sentimentalism attached to the Senna name nowadays that could turn into a massive outrage should PD treat the Senna license like the Top Gear/WRC/Super GT/NASCAR licenses. PD has taken quite a challenge here: if they do it right it'll be legendary, if they do it GT5-like it'll just be ashaming a major name in motorsports culture.

Here's hoping PD learnt from their mistakes. If they're going to do with Senna what they did with Top Gear they should just give a portion of earnings to the Senna Institute and not bother with any Senna content at all.
 
Samus
Imola would be horribly poor taste as part of a Senna bundle.
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They included in F1 2013, although I see your point.

And echoing to CarBastard's point, they better use this license properly, it was such a shame to see how the TG affair turned out at the end.
 
CarBastard
The Senna license is a pretty sensible one. There's a pretty delicate sentimentalism attached to the Senna name nowadays that could turn into a massive outrage should PD treat the Senna license like the Top Gear/WRC/Super GT/NASCAR licenses. PD has taken quite a challenge here: if they do it right it'll be legendary, if they do it GT5-like it'll just be ashaming a major name in motorsports culture.

Here's hoping PD learnt from their mistakes. If they're going to do with Senna what they did with Top Gear they should just give a portion of earnings to the Senna Institute and not bother with any Senna content at all.
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That was the thing with GT5 and why GT6 will not be the same. Not only has it taken half the time to release the next game, but it'll be released at just about the very beginning of the next generation's console launch (and take into account what else I have to say in this post). It'll be a very shameful thing if it's anything like how GT5 started (which many people thought was great, but clearly not good enough at all). In the discussion about features and content implementation and sound improvement, it's obvious which one is less of an obstacle to execute "properly". Sound is such an open "environment" that requires meticulous work from the very beginning whereas PD has shown that they can make something great in other areas with sequels in the past two gens.


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Oh, and karting was intended to be first implemented into GT6, not GT5. HOW could karting be the same or worse in GT6 when it wasn't meant to be included in GT5? This is especially relevant now knowing that Senna's karting career will be focused on. Still, tempering expectations would do good. Expect only one race for each sector of Ayrton's racing career and be wildly surprised by the two races per sector :D.
 
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another_jakhole
Oh, and karting was intended to be first implemented into GT6, not GT5. HOW could karting be the same or worse in GT6 when it wasn't meant to be included in GT5? This is especially relevant now knowing that Senna's karting career will be focused on. Still, tempering expectations would do good. Expect only one race for each sector of Ayrton's racing career and be wildly surprised by the two races per sector :D.
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Where exactly will we race Senna's kart? There isn't a proper kart track in the game. With any luck DLC, but it has to be DLC doesn't it? All the new tracks are announced and not a one is a kart track. If the same karts are used in GT6 as in GT5 it will indeed be a step backwards. No low end at all, no shifter karts, physics weren't exactly spot on and of course, no kart tracks. And Senna drove a direct drive, 100cc bump start kart, not the slipper clutch type model we have in GT. I don't count Kart Space as a kart track because it's what I'd call a "rental" track, not designed for serious racing, but for 9 year olds to toot around at 15 km/h, a complete waste of time and effort IMO.
 
lGNAl
Are you saying that PD pockets 90% of donations ? or who ?
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Let's be clear - money that PD gets from the DLC isn't "donations". Most companies who do have some association with a charity only donate a tiny amount of the product sales revenue to a charity. It might be only 1% or 2% of the revenue. The reason charities get involved with this is that 1% or 2% of some product's sales is better than the 0% that people would otherwise donate.

The point is that if someone is going to buy the DLC predominantly based on the amount of revenue that the company will donate to charity, they would be better served directly donating to the charity itself.
 
ShiftingGears
Let's be clear - money that PD gets from the DLC isn't "donations". Most companies who do have some association with a charity only donate a tiny amount of the product sales revenue to a charity. It might be only 1% or 2% of the revenue. The reason charities get involved with this is that 1% or 2% of some product's sales is better than the 0% that people would otherwise donate.

The point is that if someone is going to buy the DLC predominantly based on the amount of revenue that the company will donate to charity, they would be better served directly donating to the charity itself.
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Money has to be earned to be able to donate. DLC lends itself for donating the majority of the proceeds, because there's no physical product, so it scales exceptionally well and almost no fixed costs have to be covered.

PD/Sony don't have to make a profit out of the Senna-DLC, because it will create more sales out of the full GT6 game.
 
trustjab
You assume things. I said I don't mind the add ons as long as its not core parts of the game left out. I've also repeatedly said to wait for more information before jumping the gun. So your little rationale is wrong and not needed.
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What did I assume? I openly asked you question which isn't assumption and there is even a punctuation feature called a question mark to indicate that. Whatever tone you put into my comment is your own making and probably something you might want to question within yourself. Also I was explaining to you where another user was coming from since I've dealt with them many many times, thus not assumption again. So where am I assuming when, one I openly ask you questions that you can easily clarify, and two explain another user and why they think the game should be more up front. Also how would you know what core parts are left out if they were left out? We aren't getting any descriptive info or game play so how is one to know even after the release of the game...

How is my rationale wrong exactly? Also from the angle you are talking about, I guess GT6 subforum should be shut down along with the tons of threads that do speculation or educated guesses based on past knowledge of this company and the system they operate on.
 
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Akira AC
They included in F1 2013, although I see your point.
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Yes, but that was because of the circuit's own merits, not because someone died there. Besides, PD have never tried to recreate old sections of real race tracks that don't exist now. So even if some bright spark thought it was a good idea, they would be also going against PD precedent.

snowgt
Money has to be earned to be able to donate. DLC lends itself for donating the majority of the proceeds, because there's no physical product, so it scales exceptionally well and almost no fixed costs have to be covered.

PD/Sony don't have to make a profit out of the Senna-DLC, because it will create more sales out of the full GT6 game.
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Technically they don't have to make a profit at all from DLC but they are a business, they are there to maximise profit. That is why you have Sony guys like Jim Ryan who are all up in GT6 trying to find quantum leaps in the way they can milk money out of the consumer. The limiting factor for how much or how little the Ayrton Senna Institute gets is the money that is agreed upon by the two parties. Both parties will try to make the most money out of the arrangement that they can.
 
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ShiftingGears
Let's be clear - money that PD gets from the DLC isn't "donations". Most companies who do have some association with a charity only donate a tiny amount of the product sales revenue to a charity. It might be only 1% or 2% of the revenue. The reason charities get involved with this is that 1% or 2% of some product's sales is better than the 0% that people would otherwise donate.

The point is that if someone is going to buy the DLC predominantly based on the amount of revenue that the company will donate to charity, they would be better served directly donating to the charity itself.
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While this could be true, not every charity is in the position of (partial) right holder of such an important personality. Licensing Formula One related (sorry for the rude wording) content is hardcore business whatever the final goal or destination.

As for knowing exactly what share of profits (if any) are redistributed by Sony, that is effectively highly speculative at this point since we have had few details on what will exactly happen. However, considering the potentially major contribution this joint venture is for the GT franchise - if indeed they treat it with all the care it deserves - I can imagine PD using this deal as a “shoe-horn” to ease the inclusion of more F1 related content in the future.

Anyway, should all the benefits (minus expenses) of future related DLCs go to the Senna Institute, I’m pretty sure Sony will let us know.
 
dr_slump
I wouldn't mind.
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Many people would, it'd be poor taste. How do you promote it? "Download the Senna pack, featuring his famous cars plus drive on the track that he died at!"

No, it'd be terrible taste. Imola would be great, but not as part of a Senna pack.
 
Samus
Many people would, it'd be poor taste. How do you promote it? "Download the Senna pack, featuring his famous cars plus drive on the track that he died at!"

No, it'd be terrible taste. Imola would be great, but not as part of a Senna pack.
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Oh I see, not that way.

Just put it into the game (not the Senna DLC pack) without saying anything special.



Will there be a Senna DLC pack? I missed the show and just went online. I thought it's just a PS3 bundle that includes the usual Anniversary stuff. Haven't seen any information about DLCs or especially a "Senna DLC pack" yet.

What let's you think it's going to be a pack of content? Please show me where you heard that from.
 
Indeed, all they've said is..

In the PlayStation® exclusive title "Gran Turismo®6", out on 6 December 2013, content involving Brazil's legendary racing driver Ayrton Senna will be distributed through a series of online updates, allowing players to follow in Ayrton's racing career footsteps.
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They could even just be seasonal style events, one per month or something.
 
Samus
Indeed, all they've said is..



They could even just be seasonal style events, one per month or something.
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Nice!

Although in my position, as a big fan of the series, I really start getting scared by the huge amount of possible payments for all that content.

They promise us tons of stuff, but to what price? I guess I'll end up with expenses of over 200$ in total...
 
snowgt
Money has to be earned to be able to donate. DLC lends itself for donating the majority of the proceeds, because there's no physical product, so it scales exceptionally well and almost no fixed costs have to be covered.

PD/Sony don't have to make a profit out of the Senna-DLC, because it will create more sales out of the full GT6 game.
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Senna Institute will be lucky to see 5% of the proceeds. Sony/PD isn't in this to provide for charity, they're in it to make money, and yes, they do have to make a profit from each and every DLC.
 
Samus
Imola would be horribly poor taste as part of a Senna bundle.
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The best way to avoid controversy, in my view, is to skip the "Experience Senna's career"-idea and instead just honour him by including his racing suit, helmet, and of course, some of his F1 cars.

The career thing sounds strange anyway I think.
 
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It would feel incomplete if they can't license the F1 cars though. Follow his career but only up to Formula 3, then just pretend the rest didn't happen.
 
Samus
Indeed, all they've said is..



They could even just be seasonal style events, one per month or something.
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You might be on to something there.
Also,WOW Senna in GT6,yippe!
Were my first thoughts and then as others have said thought about the dull jeffy,loeby,sebby challenges aswell as those animations.
But still it's Senna and hopefully PD can do him proud but I'm not holding my breath.
Some of his cars,outfits,helmets and Interlagos is good enough for me.:)
 

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