Presidential Election: 2012

[Famine]

The typical Famine Faux Pas.
Blinded by fanboyism and the need to be right, you think people are saying things they didn't say... clearly.

Ummm... no. Perhaps you want to try reading the whole thing again from the beginning?

Oh, right. Of course not. How silly of me.

 

[Dapper]

Ummm... no. Perhaps you want to try reading the whole thing again from the beginning?

Oh, right. Of course not. How silly of me.

You don't know what you are saying.
There are a ton of things on the Anonymous site (you asked for) that proves what MazdaPrice asked, which was who are the racist groups supporting, and it is clearly Ron Paul.

Cite a single piece of evidence that connects Ron Paul to the individuals and not the other way round.

You're asking for a citation to evidence of something that no one claimed.
I can cite evidence of who the racist are "endorsing"... you know, like what was being discussed.

And why do you think racist like Ron Paul? That certainly is a becoming trait of his.

 

[Omnis]

Except, you see, that is so stupid that it doesn't even merit discussion. There's a runway next to your head.

 

[Dapper]

Except, you see, that is so stupid that it doesn't even merit discussion. There's a runway next to your head.

So stupid.

 

[Omnis]

Would you be making a fuss if Nation of Islam militant black people supported Obama? I wouldn't, because it's just stupid.

Spoken like a true troll. Keep derailing my thread.

 

[Famine]

You don't know what you are saying.

No. Yet again you don't know what I'm saying. What's the title of the article again?

Ron Paul Linked To Racists?

Now I read everything "Anonymous" published and I didn't see a single thing connecting Ron Paul to the named people - just lots of things the named people said connected them to Ron Paul. Here's what I said:

However having read that lot I can't see any ties between Ron Paul and the named individuals aside from the individuals claiming a tie between them and Ron Paul. It'd be like Danoff and I exchanging e-mails talking about how Obama was our best mate and drawing the conclusion that Obama is a secret capitalist and libertarian...

And here's your direct response to that:

It is scary believable Famine gets what he asked for, sees the real truth, and still can't acknowledge reality.

So tell me, what is "the real truth" and the "reality" I haven't acknowledged when I say that having read the entire release I can only see connections between the named individuals and Ron Paul and no connections the other way (and no evidence of the "leak" coming from Anonymous, especially given the comment about spending on someone's credit card - somewhat of an Anonymous no-no)?


I don't care who racists support. You shouldn't either - racists have to vote for someone. We should only care when the politician being supported reciprocates. That would be a problem. Since we only know that racists support Ron Paul (and I'm sure quite a few racists support Barack Obama too) and not that Ron Paul supports racists, we don't have a problem - certainly not enough to warrant a headline of "Ron Paul Linked To Racists?".

And why do you think racist like Ron Paul? That certainly is a becoming trait of his.

Personally, I can see why racists would be attracted to Ron Paul. I can't see why Ron Paul would be attracted to racists - outside the notion that old people are a bit racist, which seems equally offensive.

In an ideal society, people are free to think, say and act how they wish - within the bounds of rights and, in this case, the US Constitution. This includes racism - people are free to be racists.

The rest of us are free to think that they're mindless bigots, say that they're mindless bigots and refuse to do any trade or business with them or interact with them in any way. While a shop ought to be free to refuse to serve whites, I'd expect that most sensible non-whites would refuse to do business there - though they are quite free to do so if they wish.

Ron Paul's message of freedom would appeal to people who think their freedom to be racist is being curtailed.

 

[Dapper]

In an ideal society...

1st that is completely subjective. 2nd that ain't going to happen; therefore, any 'ideal society' based input has no basis on reality, and, subsequently, your ideals and opinions on subjects directly related to the erroneous 'ideal' scenario, ie government, the economy, etc., are duly askew.

Would you be making a fuss if Nation of Islam militant black people supported Obama? I wouldn't, because it's just stupid.

Is financial support any different? Or volunteering for his campaign?

 

[Omnis]

No. Famine has explained why.

 

[Famine]

1st that is completely subjective. 2nd that ain't going to happen

It already did. Read the Constitution lately? Seen the First Amendment?

And you made up a quote to respond to

And now I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Dapper]

No. Famine has explained why.

Sound critical thinking... I suppose to are referring to "We should only care when the politician being supported reciprocates." [famine] And, of course, we know politicians do reciprocate.

It already did. Read the Constitution lately? Seen the First Amendment?

So, you don't grasp the constitution and are reading the 1st amendment out of context.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

With the advent of amendments and all, I think it is safe to say the Federal government should do what is necessary to bring the US constitution's scope and intention to fruition.

 

[Omnis]

You're distorting reality. It's not like Ron Paul's support is exclusively from neo-nazis. Your idea of reciprocation makes no sense whatsoever considering the reality that is quite different from what you are clinging to.

 

[Famine]

Sound critical thinking... I suppose to are referring to "We should only care when the politician being supported reciprocates." [famine] And, of course, we know politicians do reciprocate.

Prove that Ron Paul reciprocates the racists' support. "Anonymous" believe he does - despite providing no evidence.

So, you don't get the point of the constitution then.

Considerably better than many Americans do. After all, I want to live there, rather than accidentally being born there...

With the advent of amendments and all, I think it is safe to say the Federal government should do what is necessary to bring the US constitution's scope and intention to fruition.

The First Amendment tells you all you need to know in this matter.

The Tenth too, for that matter - which prevents the Federal government doing what it thinks is necessary if it's beyond its remit. And mean old Ron simply wants to protect you from Federal government deciding to extend its remit...

 

[Dapper]

Prove that Ron Paul reciprocates the racists' support. "Anonymous" believe he does - despite providing no evidence.

Prove he doesn't.

The First Amendment tells you all you need to know in this matter.

The Tenth too, for that matter - which prevents the Federal government doing what it thinks is necessary if it's beyond its remit. And mean old Ron simply wants to protect you from Federal government deciding to extend its remit...

Oh, you're relying on the logic of blacks are 3/5 man. The goal of the constitution is summed up in one sentence, the preamble (the operative word being posterity), and the rest is details that pertain to the time period. I think reading it makes this clear (a person's skin color doesn't negate their humanity).

 

[Omnis]

Prove he doesn't.

You're the one making accusations here. Stop trolling.

 

[Dapper]

You're the one making accusations here. Stop trolling.

Where did I say Ron Paul reciprocates racist financial support?



Now, you stop trolling.

Opposition=panties in a bunch 👎

 

[livemusic]

I don't get why people bother replying to Dapper's posts...

 

[Zenith]

What if we let them pay our rent?

Because then people would say things like "he's turning down the donations because he wants them to have more money!"

A waiter doesn't turn down a tip from a bigoted customer. Doesn't mean the waiter is a bigot or supports bigotry.

 

[Famine]

Prove he doesn't.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

There is no evidence linking Ron Paul to the individuals, only of the individuals connecting themselves to Ron Paul. This shows that racists support Ron Paul, not that Ron Paul is racist.

Oh, you're relying on the logic of blacks are 3/5 man.

Umm... no? Can't find that anywhere in what I said or the Constitution.

The goal of the constitution is summed up in one sentence, the preamble (the operative word being posterity), and the rest is details that pertain to the time period. I think reading it makes this clear (a person's skin color doesn't negate their humanity).

Once the Federal government extends its remit beyond what is permitted by the Constitution, there is nothing to stop it doing it again. It doesn't matter if it does it to do something you agree with, because next time it could be something you don't agree with - and at that point you'll run to the Constitution and point to the Tenth, but they'll have precedent.

Ron Paul wants to stop that happening. Or at least stop it happening again.

 

[Tornado]

Where did I say Ron Paul reciprocates racist financial support?

Wow. That required me to go back all of one post:

Prove he doesn't.

Since that statement not only means that you are saying that he does reciprocate, but also that you are claiming that the burden of proof is on others to prove the opposite (which it isn't, by the way).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I don't get why people bother replying to Dapper's posts...

Me either.

 

[Omnis]

I don't get why people bother replying to Dapper's posts...

He's the reason libertarians just want to be left alone.

 

[Dapper]

Umm... no? Can't find that anywhere in what I said or the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 2, Clause3

Since that statement not only means that you are saying that he does reciprocate,

No, it doesn't. I am saying every politician does. You think politicians sit around and "ask rich guys for money" (you can skip the first 2min) and offer nothing in return?


And a lot of large corporations spend more on lobbying than in taxes is just a coincidence, also?

He's the reason libertarians just want to be left alone.

I wish you well being alone.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So I see a couple nascars this weekend are running some political sponsors.

One is sponsoring Rick Santorum for president. There other is America's support of Israel. The earlier is what is of topic for this thread. I guess nascar is the new way to get the vote.

 

[Famine]

Article 1, Section 2, Clause3

You're going to have to highlight "blacks" in there. Can't seem to find it. You also seem to misunderstand the Three-Fifths Compromise (shock of shocks).

Plus it's not in the Constitution.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You're going to have to highlight "blacks" in there. Can't seem to find it. You also seem to misunderstand the Three-Fifths Compromise (shock of shocks).

Plus it's not in the Constitution.

Famine why do you talk to a brick wall, as if it will stick? You've made great points and he doesn't want to fully try to hear you out.

 

[Famine]

The goal of discussion doesn't have to be the answer - it can be the discussion itself. You shouldn't participate in discussion if all you want to do is put your point forwards and "win" - you should do so to hear other points.

Now I'll grant you that some members - particularly those in the Axis of Drivel - don't wish to do that. That's their failing, not ours.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That I understand, but wouldn't it just seem better to openly state what you want instead of talking at them as if they really care. I know you're not trying to win an argument and that's not why I bring it up. It just seems rude for someone not to openly first hear the other out and then debate them after.

 

[Famine]

Which is certainly a problem - it's just a problem for the individual who doesn't want to discuss, only proselytise. We don't have to change to suit their level.

 

[DK]

So I see a couple nascars this weekend are running some political sponsors.

One is sponsoring Rick Santorum for president. There other is America's support of Israel. The earlier is what is of topic for this thread. I guess nascar is the new way to get the vote.

I think Santorum felt a little left out when Romney said that some of his friends owned NASCAR teams.

 

[Tornado]

No, it doesn't. I am saying every politician does.

So, in other words, you are saying that Ron Paul reciprocates rascist financial support.

You think politicians sit around and "ask rich guys for money" (you can skip the first 2min) and offer nothing in return?


And a lot of large corporations spend more on lobbying than in taxes is just a coincidence, also?

Not seeing the relevance between corporations spending money on lobbyists and how KKK members going to Ron Paul rallies proves Ron Paul is a racist. Is there any, or are you just changing the subject again?