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[kikie]

The Belgian professor and cryptographer has been hacked by the NSA.

Jean-Jacques Quisquater is a world authority on cryptography.

 

[DK]

Speaking of cryptography, here's a BBC interview with the founder of Lavabit, rumoured to be Snowden's e-mail provider.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Good to see that he isn't going to keel over and give in. Now I hope that district judge has some common sense.

 

[Carlos]

"Chaos Computer Club files criminal complaint against the German Government"
http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2014/complaint

 

[Carlos]

My government just stated, information they gain from the NSA is legal to be used. It has to be approved by a judge but I can almost guess the outcome..

Where is this going?

 

[FoolKiller]

My government just stated, information they gain from the NSA is legal to be used. It has to be approved by a judge but I can almost guess the outcome..

Where is this going?

The US is taming international tensions caused by the NSA by letting other countries use NSA data for their own ends.

 

[Carlos]

The US is taming international tensions caused by the NSA by letting other countries use NSA data for their own ends.

But it's still illegally obtained information. Example: I may film my house and everything, but if my car gets stolen I may never upload the video due to privacy rules. However they can use whatever they want to obtain information, as long as it is handed by the NSA it is legal to be used. It's too weird.

 

[FoolKiller]

But it's still illegally obtained information. Example: I may film my house and everything, but if my car gets stolen I may never upload the video due to privacy rules. However they can use whatever they want to obtain information, as long as it is handed by the NSA it is legal to be used. It's too weird.

It's illegal for you to upload a video of someone stealing your car on your property?

Crazy.

 

[Carlos]

It's illegal for you to upload a video of someone stealing your car on your property?

Crazy.

Yes... It's even illegal to attack the person that is entering (robbing) your house. So I was very surprised my government decided that illegally obtained information is suddenly legal because it's from the NSA. I feel like somebody stepped on my gentlemens sausage.

 

[FoolKiller]

Yes... It's even illegal to attack the person that is entering (robbing) your house. So I was very surprised my government decided that illegally obtained information is suddenly legal because it's from the NSA. I feel like somebody stepped on my gentlemens sausage.

So, PINAC would be a completely illegal site in your country?

 

[Carlos]

So, PINAC would be a completely illegal site in your country?

That site just gave me trojan warnings. It also tried to download something. What is that site?

 

[Tesla]

It's fine for me.

 

[Sanji Himura]

But it's still illegally obtained information. Example: I may film my house and everything, but if my car gets stolen I may never upload the video due to privacy rules. However they can use whatever they want to obtain information, as long as it is handed by the NSA it is legal to be used. It's too weird.

Not really. Evidence that is obtained by a third party can be legally used by prosecutors under certain circumstances in US law. For example, evidence obtained through a trash bins is admissible in court because courts have upheld that you have no expectation of privacy in a trash bin. In another case, you consent to giving your DNA when you drinking coffee within police presence as you dispose your cup in a trash can.

 

[BobK]

That site just gave me trojan warnings. It also tried to download something. What is that site?

Perhaps that means the answer to @FoolKiller's question is "yes"?

In any case, I had no problem with the site either.

 

[FoolKiller]

As I covertly made that post while in a meeting I thought I might have screwed it up. Glad to see it works for everyone else though.

@Carlos It's a site for reporting on and showing uploaded videos of people being harassed, assaulted, detained, etc by police for the simple act of filming public activities.

 

[Carlos]

I can film police while they do their job. But I may not upload a video of somedy stealling my things.. but I don't think there is such a website for our cops here. They are not very impressing and most of the time nothing happens..

 

[FoolKiller]

I can film police while they do their job. But I may not upload a video of somedy stealling my things..

What is the reasoning behind this? I can see the issue if its a pending criminal investigation, but eventually it becomes public record then.

 

[kikie]

I want this phone.

 

[Carlos]

What is the reasoning behind this? I can see the issue if its a pending criminal investigation, but eventually it becomes public record then.

I assume they won't want people to take their own actions. Lets say I get robbed and I beat the guy (aka self defense), the police are also take me into custody.

Thought about it some more and I think it is because they don't want things to escalate. And I remembered an occasion where a man beat a robber in his house, he fell and died. Or that's the story. But the guy didn't get into trouble. Maybe we are 'allowed' or seen through the fingers if it's an acceptable situation..

 

[FoolKiller]

I assume they won't want people to take their own actions. Lets say I get robbed and I beat the guy (aka self defense), the police are also take me into custody.

Are you charged with assault?

In many cases, if an investigation is necessary this will happen here too. Of course, no matter what there seems to be a trend of criminals suing the property owner in a civil suit over what was done to protect the property.

 

[Carlos]

Are you charged with assault?

In many cases, if an investigation is necessary this will happen here too. Of course, no matter what there seems to be a trend of criminals suing the property owner in a civil suit over what was done to protect the property.

Is that a direct question? No I'm not But in a scenario where I would beat a person out of self defense, he is allowed to sue me and by law it's forbidden to hit anyone.

In my eye, it's my property and the consequences are for the robber. I thought this was allowed in the whole US too. My colleague told me in Texas people are allowed to shoot/kill a person in a life threatening situation. It's hard to prove it was a life threatening situation but in some way I agree with it.

 

[FoolKiller]

Is that a direct question? No I'm not But in a scenario where I would beat a person out of self defense, he is allowed to sue me and by law it's forbidden to hit anyone.

I meant it as a general question for that scenario.

In my eye, it's my property and the consequences are for the robber. I thought this was allowed in the whole US too. My colleague told me in Texas people are allowed to shoot/kill a person in a life threatening situation. It's hard to prove it was a life threatening situation but in some way I agree with it.

There are laws allowing you to defend yourself or your property. It was one of the issues surrounding the Travon Martin/George Zimmerman case. In most cases, the police won't charge you with a crime for doing so, if it is clear that is what happened, or there is no evidence it was something else. But in the US you can sue for any reason. So a criminal ( or their family if he is dead) May sue a property owner in civil court, which is not the same as criminal court. You would just pay damages to the plaintiff if you lose the case.

 

[Touring Mars]

So apparently we have a new rector here at Glasgow University...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-nsa-whistleblower-glasgow-university-rector

Presumably he'll fulfil his rectorial obligations via Skype...

 

[kikie]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo

 

[Liquid]

Presumably he'll fulfil his rectorial obligations via Skype...

THIS sounds interesting.

 

[Dotini]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo

"GCHQ insists all of its activities are necessary, proportionate, and in accordance with UK law."

Technology has "progressed" to the point where privacy is an obsolete notion left over from a by-gone era. Get used to it, because there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. In for a penny, in for a pound.

 

[Touring Mars]

My cousin used to work for GCHQ and he was not allowed to discuss his work with anyone - not even his wife. It's not hard to see why.

Sadly, my cousin passed away a few years ago now, but it would have been interesting to hear what he had to say about all the revelations coming from GCHQ now. I wonder if he would even be allowed to comment on it. I'm inclined to believe that GCHQ does alot of very good work and it would be wrong to dismiss the entire organisation out of hand on the basis of the current issues regarding internet privacy, but I must admit to a sense of disappointment every time I see something like this and wonder what my cousin might have thought about being associated with this kind of intrusive spying.

 

[Dotini]

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...ning-new-generation-online-covert-operations/
This document, released to the press by Snowden, is a Powerpoint presentation from the British intelligence agency GCHQ (Government Communications Headquarters), titled simply enough "The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations"

According to Glenn Greenwald:
"Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums."

 

[TenEightyOne]

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...ning-new-generation-online-covert-operations/
This document, released to the press by Snowden, is a Powerpoint presentation from the British intelligence agency GCHQ (Government Communications Headquarters), titled simply enough "The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of Online Covert Operations"

According to Glenn Greenwald:
"Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums."

Interesting stuff indeed, good link... does it tell us anything new though?

The methods described in there (albeit updated for a digital age) don't look any different from similar documents to do with infiltration of any number of "provocateur" groups, huge and insignificant, over the many years of Intelligence history.

I guess nowadays it's much easier to "plant" people and information, you don't have to make your staff grow beards and move into communes in Wolverhampton. Although some still do, but that's the iMac generation for you.

 

[Dotini]

Interesting stuff indeed, good link... does it tell us anything new though?

Under the title of Influence and Information Operations are seen 3 UFO photos on pages 35, 36 and 37, previously considered by some to be among the best "unexplained" shots ever taken. (I, however, had previously recognized two of them as fakes.)

Now, thanks to Edward Snowden, we know they are all fraudulent, and part of a long-term covert government intelligence operation to shape and guide the belief system of our civilization. This had been suspected, but is now confirmed.