Production Car Racing (GT4, CTSCC, PWC GTS/TC, MX-5 Cup, etc)Touring Cars
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Pete05
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Also the endurance aspect of GT racing anywhere your budget can stretch to, as opposed to the Sprint idea with TCR of shorter races.Can’t rely on the Supercars World Tour deal. If I were any of the TCR participants I’d be cutting my losses and trading up for a Mustang, Vantage or Supra.
Yeah, just like you posted I’d put my hand up too if a team want to add variety to their garage.
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Indeed. Since branching off from the brief Production Series, GT4 is proving anyone have a chance of winning. Rarely are cars being taken out, less safety car intervention and mandatory pit stop throw it up for all to have a crack within the hour, but boy it’s a quick hour.
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How cool is this?!
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Brodie Kostecki building Bathurst 6 Hour contender
Brodie Kostecki Bathurst 1000 winner Kostecki is building an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio to tackle Easter’s Bathurst 6 Hour production
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Hopefully, Brodie's Alfa is a real opposition to the endless fleet of BMW winners, that make the outright contest a real bore.How cool is this?!
Brodie Kostecki building Bathurst 6 Hour contender
Brodie Kostecki Bathurst 1000 winner Kostecki is building an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio to tackle Easter’s Bathurst 6 Hour production
They need to bring the BMWs back to the same performance level as the Mustangs & Camaro in the A1 class.
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Should be whatever is beneath the M cars. As Mustang run GT and Camaro SS(not top of the line Shelby and ZL1). The prices shouldn't be the only factor as to cap performance. No way a 276bhp Lancer is going to win outright ever. Even though I know the organisers made the race more about class wins, than about outright winning.
I think the Paul Morris 335i was the last "normal" bimmer to win. The M135i(?) that Morris won in outright did beat the M4, but it wasn't a normal 135i.
I think the Paul Morris 335i was the last "normal" bimmer to win. The M135i(?) that Morris won in outright did beat the M4, but it wasn't a normal 135i.
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If the race isn't about outright victory, then someone needs to tell the TV Producer.
Seems to me they can barely bother covering the class battles for any more than 2 laps for the entire 6 hour race!
The other thing they really need to consider, is a price cap on the entry list.
What's wrong with a $150k ceiling?
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They do. $150,000
From last year
BIGGEST EVER FIELD FOR BATHURST 6 HOUR
The biggest ever endurance race grid is set to line up for this year’s Hi-Tec Oils Bathurst 6 Hour, over the Easter long weekend. A 70-car entry list for the production car race at Mount Panorama has been unveiled, with the grid comprised of cars representing 15 different brands, 34 different...
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Cap it at $100k. That’s plenty, because I think the Sherrins went and spent like another $120k on their M4.
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Yeah, the Sherrins bought their first BMW M4, then spent equal to the purchase price on race preparations, and the same amount again filling their transporter with spares, and when you're in the mood may as well get another M4.They do. $150,000
From last year
BIGGEST EVER FIELD FOR BATHURST 6 HOUR
The biggest ever endurance race grid is set to line up for this year’s Hi-Tec Oils Bathurst 6 Hour, over the Easter long weekend. A 70-car entry list for the production car race at Mount Panorama has been unveiled, with the grid comprised of cars representing 15 different brands, 34 different...
Cap it at $100k. That’s plenty, because I think the Sherrins went and spent like another $120k on their M4.
Just as well they were controlling the direction of the category at the time.
One would hate to spend that kind of coin only for the rules to change...
Anyone that watched the 6hr last year, would know about the Camry from the races in the 90s.
Enough is enough.
There needs to be a limit on the age of cars eligible to enter, as well as a minimum qualifying time relevant to the class pole.
Do we really need to see 30yo cars wobble around 40+ seconds of the pace, steered by drivers that don't use their mirrors?
I can recall that particular car causing the leaders major grief at least twice, just by being soooo slooooow on the racing line & they made no attempt to get out of the way!
Its OK for the promoters to trumpet the largest entry list ever, but what happened to quality over quantity?
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No doubt. Alrighty, Lancers are twelve years old. One of the articles above even mentions someone can run an SUV. There have got to see some out there with more performance than those older cars. Kona N? VW T-Roc? New Forester?
Anyway, the Gazoo Racing cars and Civic Type-R(surprised these haven't been raced after the Integra Type-R stopped production) should hopefully, fill some age gaps.
Anyway, the Gazoo Racing cars and Civic Type-R(surprised these haven't been raced after the Integra Type-R stopped production) should hopefully, fill some age gaps.
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Keep 'em coming.
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Three new McLaren Artura GT4s arrive in Australia
McLaren is set to have a large presence in Monochrome GT4 Australia after the Australian Motorsport retailer , McLaren Melbourne has imported a further three new Artura GT4s and a significant parts inventory
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I guess there is a marketing angle if someone was to run an SUV, but the reward versus risk would make me too nervous.
I'd like to see a comparison of roll centres, centre of gravity between a Kona N & whatever the passenger car equivalent is (i20N? i30N?) from Hyundai's catalog - same with the VW or anything else under consideration.
Just seeing how some react when put through a slalom test on road rubber....
Add in R-compound rubber, with stiffer springs & shocks...
Your 100% right. Why no GR Yaris? I think it defaults to front-wheel-drive behaviour too easy and would chew out its front rubber.
I can't think of any other reason, or one for the absence of the Civic Type R to be honest.
Another thought came to mind earlier today regarding Brodie's Alfa, and that is I hope he knows how to keep his powder dry.
If he rolls out of pitlane & is on the pace from the word go, he's immediately in danger of having his fun adjusted by the BoP team.
Reading that 6hr rulebook, they have the option of adjusting how they see fit POST qualifying.
I'd hate to work really hard to put my ride on pole with the car beautifully balanced only to have the Organisers throw me a ride height increase or something equally deflating.
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Go the Polo. Interesting that it's in Class C.A GR Yaris ran in last weekend's race. Surprisingly, a Polo was annoying a couple of faster cars.Those cars couldn't shake it.
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I guess the Alfa race weight would be close in weight to the M3. Should be a good fight when they meet.
If I recall correctly, the Bargwanna Golf GTi from the 2022 6-hr was also Class C.
I'd love to talk with anyone that has run a GR Yaris at full stretch on a circuit.
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Miedecke Motorsport becomes the Australian agent for Multimatic
Miedecke Motorsport has been appointed the Multimatic agent for Australia and New Zealand following its success this season
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19 cars for the finale.
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Monochrome GT4 Australia classes to be decided at the Mountain
A field of 19 crews will round out the 2024 Monochrome GT4 Australia season at Mount Panorama this weekend, where the Ford Mustang GT4 leads an array of debuts at the much revered circuit
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Very interesting.
Almost identical gearing & shift points to a Gen3 Supercar.
For a car so radically different in power, torque, weight, downforce & rubber, it's spooky they can arrive at something so similar, yet so different in lap time.
I'll be very interested to see how the other cars compare.
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I guess the Ginetta and AMG might be similar. There’s no Vantage in the field, though I believe a couple older models are for sale.
Edit: Speaking of the AMG
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Edit: Speaking of the AMG
Mercedes-AMG on top at the Mountain
Mercedes-AMG entries have made the perfect start to the weekend at the Monochrome GT4 Australia season finale at the Bathurst International
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Pete05
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So the times at the top of that session, would have been good enough to qualify on pole position in the 1989 Tooheys 1000.I guess the Ginetta and AMG might be similar. There’s no Vantage in the field, though I believe a couple older models are for sale.
Edit: Speaking of the AMG
Mercedes-AMG on top at the Mountain
Mercedes-AMG entries have made the perfect start to the weekend at the Monochrome GT4 Australia season finale at the Bathurst International
If I recall correctly, I think Chaz put the McLaren on the class pole with a 2:14.xxx for this year's 12hr.
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That’s actually pretty wild to think about, hey. I know there’s a good 35 years of technological evolution here, but still.
I’ve absolutely been loving the GT4 racing in iRacing lately and it’s given me a whole new appreciation for them and their capability to produce some great racing, so I really hope the series continues its upward trajectory here in Australia. And speaking of the 12 Hour, hopefully we see more GT4’s competing from next year onwards, give those big GT3 boys an extra challenge.
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Rider Quinn went a couple tenths quicker than Camilleri.
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Really brave of the Group A drivers back then. Skinny tyres, no aero, old dirty track. Just biiiiiiiig horsepower among other things.
Well, with only 11 cars in TCR, some drivers not participating and other drivers leaving(though there appear to be a couple drivers debuting next year), GT4 should have the legs. If the series can continue to average 19-20 cars and more participate at certain events to bump it up to about 25, it shouldn’t fail. It’s ticks all the boxes for driver classes, BOP, brand support, the right amount of races compared to other GT4 series around the globe.
Next years 12H is definitely going to be one to remember. If the 296 GT3s(both topped the practice time sheets today) are in and C.8R and Mustang, it’ll be bonkers.
Ryder Quinn sets the pace in final Bathurst practice session
The Black Diamond Building and Construction BMW M4 GT4 G82 of Ryder Quinn has set the pace in the final practice session of the season finale at the Bathurst International
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Really brave of the Group A drivers back then. Skinny tyres, no aero, old dirty track. Just biiiiiiiig horsepower among other things.
Well, with only 11 cars in TCR, some drivers not participating and other drivers leaving(though there appear to be a couple drivers debuting next year), GT4 should have the legs. If the series can continue to average 19-20 cars and more participate at certain events to bump it up to about 25, it shouldn’t fail. It’s ticks all the boxes for driver classes, BOP, brand support, the right amount of races compared to other GT4 series around the globe.
Next years 12H is definitely going to be one to remember. If the 296 GT3s(both topped the practice time sheets today) are in and C.8R and Mustang, it’ll be bonkers.
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