Project CARS 2 General Discussion Thread - Out Now on PS4/XB1/PC

[DesertPenguin09]

I had some crazy rain weather here this morning on Long Island, NY but to be honest it was never 100% not raining. It turned into a downpour in a matter of seconds and those lasted a few minutes but when it died down there was always still a little spattering coming down that the game would consider Light Rain.

 

[FuriousDemon]

Even though I would like to have "limited" weather randomize options, I'd say completely random very well matches the weather in Michigan. Too bad there are no MI tracks for a fully authentic experience

 

[SRAIKKONEN]

I would like to see a video of the new formula c car or the touring car class with the Opel, Renault, Mercedes and Bmw

NEW formula C? I thought it was the same what's new? And FB should stay

 

[sven2199]

NEW formula C? I thought it was the same what's new? And FB should stay

The formula c in project cars 2 is more identical of the f3 a couple of years ago. You should see the differences if you compare the formula c in project cars 1 and 2

 

[Johnnypenso]

Well, not sure about where you live, but here in Hungary, we had some crazy weather lately, like sunshine one moment, then in a few minutes ice pouring down and causing quite a bit of damage to anything unprotected. This was just days ago BTW. The same happened with rain as well, overwhelming drainage along the road in seconds. Project CARS 2 should be ahead of the game and simulate the severe effects of climate change I think.

I think we remember unusual weather more clearly because it is unusual. It still isn't commonplace enough that it should pop up anything but incredibly rarely if you chose a random weather setting. If you think about it, how often do major race events get rained out? Not very often.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

I too am curious about the "new" Formula C. And I'm assuming they removed the Formula B to make room for other cars and figure the Formula Renault 3.5 is a comparable open-wheeler that fits between A and C.

I'm watching the video with the car list and it has the details as well. Formula C is the new Formula Gulf. It's 205HP instead of the ~300HP it had in PCars1

 

[HardRock]

If you think about it, how often do major race events get rained out? Not very often.

Yeah, but that's because the dates chosen for most events makes that much less likely, so there's artificial selection going on. With truly random weather, that shouldn't be the case, except for the exclusion of weather that doesn't fit a given season at all of course.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

With all 3 major titles having launch dates within a few weeks of each other, I think they all really have a lot of pressure on them to hit those dates. None of them can afford a slip now.

In some ways it was a smart move by Forza and GT to put that pressure on pCARS2, but in other ways, they have put that same pressure on themselves now too. Since SMS announced their launch date first, if Turn 10 or PD slip now it will look really bad on them.

I agree: at this point, they're all locked in, and it'd be a huge deal if they moved. Only one of the franchises has a history of never having its release dates slip, however...

It does create an interesting dynamic, one we've never really seen before. Yep, releasing as close to PCARS2 puts pressure on it from both first-party outfits on the consoles. If Jimmy Casual is looking for just one fairly realistic game this holiday season, knowing that they all release so close to one another, it might be easier for him to wait it out if GT is what he's after on PS4. He doesn't really have any other options on that console, outside of the original PCARS and AC. An XB1 player has a bunch of previous Forza titles in addition to those two.

PCARS1 was launched in a very different time on PS4. It was prior to GT Sport even being announced: if GT fans wanted a serious racer, that was the only choice unless they were staying on PS3. I wonder how many of the PS4 sales of the first game were because of this, and I wonder how many will be buying the second. It's quite a big jump in terms of features, so that bodes well for it.

Of course, as you mentioned, this proximity puts pressure on GT and Forza too. Being launched so recently after PCARS2 will drive home the comparisons. GT arguably has it even harder, since it comes after both (and FM7 is available on PC now). It has a smaller car list than even PCARS2 (and 1/4 the size of FM7's), but that list is also far less diverse. It has a massively smaller track list than either other game, and a fair chunk are fantasy circuits. It does have the name recognition, though: I wouldn't be surprised if GT Sport still sells more than either of the other games. But for the first time, I'm not 100% sure of that outcome... only about 90%.

 

[doblocruiser]

@SlipZtrEm maybe it would be nice to bring up a poll on the main page with linking to every versus thread in the Pcars2, fm7 and GTS accordingly? We see discussions in a couple of places but it would be nice to see how GTP is actually devided. I can understand members buying all 3 but what if you could only choose one in autumn?

 

[BrainsBush]

@SlipZtrEm maybe it would be nice to bring up a poll on the main page with linking to every versus thread in the Pcars2, fm7 and GTS accordingly? We see discussions in a couple of places but it would be nice to see how GTP is actually devided. I can understand members buying all 3 but what if you could only choose one in autumn?

Wow that would be very challenging to choose just one title. Personally: FM7 not because I do not own a XB1. Leaves Pcars 2 and GTS. Yes I already pre ordered them both but if I really have to make a choice it would be PCars2 for (hopefully) the complete real race experience, more realistic much discussed physics/fbb (first seeing is believing), livetrack 3.01, seasons, variety of tracks.

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

Even though I would like to have "limited" weather randomize options, I'd say completely random very well matches the weather in Michigan. Too bad there are no MI tracks for a fully authentic experience

As much as us Michigan folks tell others how bizarre our weather is, they always seem to think we're exaggerating. Believe us, we experience North-Pole to Equator conditions, all in one year... Sometimes in one week! There's no consistency and very little predictability here. But, we learn to make hay while the Sun's shining.

 

[bleeder]

@SlipZtrEm maybe it would be nice to bring up a poll on the main page with linking to every versus thread in the Pcars2, fm7 and GTS accordingly? We see discussions in a couple of places but it would be nice to see how GTP is actually devided. I can understand members buying all 3 but what if you could only choose one in autumn?

I couldn't buy GTS purely for the placement of the driver's thumbs on the wheel Looks incredibly strange to me.

But seriously, it doesn't interest me at all anyway.​

 

[RomKnight]

Coming from someone (me) that in the end ends up buying every game, I'd say it doesn't matter squat except on the initial sales week (or two).

OFC, this time around I don't own a current gen console (and still would choose Sony if so, btw) so I'm relieved

I'd like to try the ONE thing that GT:S has that MIGHT lead me to buy a ps4 though. That virtual FIA license because... OCD. I still think FIA made a mistake though.

 

[05XR8]

Wow that would be very challenging to choose just one title. Personally: FM7 not because I do not own a XB1. Leaves Pcars 2 and GTS. Yes I already pre ordered them both but if I really have to make a choice it would be PCars2 for (hopefully) the complete real race experience, more realistic much discussed physics/fbb (first seeing is believing), livetrack 3.01, seasons, variety of tracks.

That's the thing. I've mentioned, in a comparison thread, PC2 IS a complete game over the other two. Exactly for those aspects.

#graphicsainteverything

 

[SRAIKKONEN]

That's the thing. I've mentioned, in a comparison thread, PC2 IS a complete game over the other two. Exactly for those aspects.

#graphicsainteverything

#but they are Good

 

[jake2013guy]

Wow that would be very challenging to choose just one title. Personally: FM7 not because I do not own a XB1. Leaves Pcars 2 and GTS. Yes I already pre ordered them both but if I really have to make a choice it would be PCars2 for (hopefully) the complete real race experience, more realistic much discussed physics/fbb (first seeing is believing), livetrack 3.01, seasons, variety of tracks.

3.01? What's the changes in that?

 

[RomKnight]

typo. it-s still LT3.0

 

[warp9engage]

3.01? What's the changes in that?

Added authentic leaf physics for the Autumn season. Leafs will now fall and blow on the wind accurately, according to their shape.

 

[jake2013guy]

typo. it-s still LT3.0

We know.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Of course, as you mentioned, this proximity puts pressure on GT and Forza too. Being launched so recently after PCARS2 will drive home the comparisons. GT arguably has it even harder, since it comes after both (and FM7 is available on PC now). It has a smaller car list than even PCARS2 (and 1/4 the size of FM7's), but that list is also far less diverse. It has a massively smaller track list than either other game, and a fair chunk are fantasy circuits. It does have the name recognition, though: I wouldn't be surprised if GT Sport still sells more than either of the other games. But for the first time, I'm not 100% sure of that outcome... only about 90%.

History suggests that GT Sport will outsell Project Cars and Forza. But Project Cars 2 has re-written the rulebook for sim racing games, so it will be interesting to see who comes out on top. The fact we're even talking about this competition is awesome for us consumers!

 

[GTsimms]

History suggests that GT Sport will outsell Project Cars and Forza. But Project Cars 2 has re-written the rulebook for sim racing games, so it will be interesting to see who comes out on top. The fact we're even talking about this competition is awesome for us consumers!

I am just waiting for everyones response, when they get that first drive . Then SMS! We need beers with SMS!

 

[fasj6418]

History suggests that GT Sport will outsell Project Cars and Forza. But Project Cars 2 has re-written the rulebook for sim racing games, so it will be interesting to see who comes out on top. The fact we're even talking about this competition is awesome for us consumers!

The more i think about it, i can´t come up with a reason for someone to pass on Pcars2. I´m a GT fan since 1997, it has a special place in my heart, i´ll play it a lot, but, to me it´s not even in the same league as Pcars2. It´s basically GT3 with prettier graphics, nothing substantial has evolved.

I get that probably Forza and GT will get more sales, but i´ll remain not understanding why, like, i can´t think of a feature that would make people say one of the other two is the clear choice.

And you know, having a PC and a PS4 it means i´ll probably have them all, so it´s not a matter of being a fanboy to a certain brand. To me from an objective standpoint there´s no way Pcars2 doesn´t come out on top if you compare all three titles. I´m very interested in reviews this time.

 

[BrainsBush]

3.01? What's the changes in that?

haha just my bad choice of "humor". On purpose to keep the discussion thread busy

 

[doblocruiser]

I can only choose one title this autumn. Even with the great Peugeot machines GTS is having I can't get excited for the title. The beta has failed to impress me or pull me back in. I simply have the feeling nothing really has evolved besides the visuals. Recreating cars from scratch and make them future proof, creating real Ferrari red isn't the kind of innovation I am looking for. Carlist is fine but locations and tracks are a serious handicap. The sterile and lifeless tracks, surroundings and races haven't changed. Photomode is fantastic and I'll end up having GTS down the line solely for that.

My title of choice will be Pcars2 because of the way it represents motorsport. It is ticking all the right boxes and it simply does one thing the others don't and that is getting me excited! The content is great, the features are great and there is a huge offline playabillity.

When I compare the footage between the games, only Pcars2 captures that raw and brutal essence of motorsport. It wants me to go race, participate and on top of that a terrific photomode is available.

 

[super_gt]

Interesting:

Link

 

[Reiche]

Anyone else getting super excited for LT3.0 watching these Silverstone qualifying sessions?

 

[HardRock]

Interesting

I find it really funny that some people in the community think SMS (or any developer for that matter) is or should be using rF2 and AC as validation.

Also, the whole premise of the post that was quoted on the AC forum is wrong. In the world where dev teams number in the 100+, there are no solo geniuses that make or break products. These are not the 90s anymore. Saying otherwise is extremely disrespectful to dev teams.

The input of a large group of people make up products. Selecting the right people is still very important of course, but instead of finding a single ridiculously talented individual it's much more important to put people in the right position and have all the real data you can get (definitely not data from any other sim which have their own issues) to make the sim as accurate as possible.

I don't even want to get into the whole misremembered marketing lines / confirmation bias / anecdotal evidence thing going on there, because I would be writing pages then.

 

[Ian Bell]

Interesting:

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Link

I'd say sad as opposed to interesting. It's arrogant and abusive to competitors and we're not 'shady' in any way.

But seeing as he's started it, I'll end it, with pCARS2. Enjoy. I'll let our game do that talking and you'll all have access to it very soon.

 

[jake2013guy]

I'd say sad as opposed to interesting. It's arrogant and abusive to competitors and we're not 'shady' in any way.

But seeing as he's started it, I'll end it, with pCARS2. Enjoy. I'll let our game do that talking and you'll all have access to it very soon.

A shady company would have taken your money and done nothing with it. Although I'm not directly involved, the facts show it's not shady in the slightest.

 

[Ian Bell]

A shady company would have taken your money and done nothing with it. Although I'm not directly involved, the facts show it's not shady in the slightest.

Those that invested in pCARS1 have passed 350% in returns. Those are interest rates not generally available or associated with 'shady'. I'll say it here. Stefano should be ashamed of himself.