Project CARS General Discussion Thread

[NW48]

So it's not coming out of the pocket of the people working on the game? I'm confused.

SMS are the people working on the game...

 

[blowfishrulez]

and actually the criticism on here has been pretty tame

Indeed this is the internet, and criticism is fine all the way. So is calling BS on troll comments. The GT Planet forum is indeed a nice place to be, thats why i post something here in the first place. We all should make sure it stays this way.

 

[iQuacks]

SMS are the people working on the game...

So it's not part of the money WMD members donated? How does this work, do they have a whip round in the office?

 

[DG_Silva]

So it's not coming out of the pocket of the people working on the game? I'm confused.

*edit* when I say working, I mean actually sitting down on a PC and making changes, not marketing or promotion etc.

So it's not part of the money WMD members donated? How does this work, do they have a whip round in the office?

The confusion arises because of the amount of acronyms flying about. SMS (Slightly Mad Studios) are the developers, using the WMD (Weapons of Mass Development) crowdfunding to fund the sim. The first delay has effectively already been paid for by WMD members, because the work had aready been scheduled. This second delay will effectively be paid for by SMS (read Andy Garton and Ian Bell), probably by coming to some kind of agreement with the rest of the dev team. This is one of the reasons why they can't announce delays until the last moment. Future DLC work will be paid for with a mixture investments and SMS stumping up some money.

 

[blowfishrulez]

WMD funding comes out at 2,3 Mio Euro roughly. How long do you think this will last for a company of 100+ people? Of course the owners have gone all in with their capital too!

 

[iQuacks]

WMD members, because the work had aready been scheduled. This second delay will effectively be paid for by SMS (read Andy Garton and Ian Bell),

Thanks for your answer, so are Andy and Ian the only 2 people working on pCARS because blowfish said it was coming out of the pockets of the "artists" developing the game?

 

[blowfishrulez]

because blowfish said it was coming out of the pockets of the "artists" developing the game?

No i didn't. And they actually have artists (without quotes) in the team.

 

[DG_Silva]

Thanks for your answer, so are Andy and Ian the only 2 people working on pCARS because blowfish said it was coming out of the pockets of the "artists" developing the game?

No, Andy and Ian are the most senior partners in Slightly Mad Studios (effectively the Bank of SMS), and they have had to come up with an agreement with the artists, programmers, sound techs, and other behind the scenes guys and gals, probably (only a guess here) by giving them all the change down the back of the sofa until the game gets released, or by working for free until the title sells and giving them a bigger share of the profits.

I think what Blowfish meant was that the rest of the dev studio was not going to work for nothing, and would eventually have to be paid somehow.

 

[Willfred_1]

No, Andy and Ian are the most senior partners in Slightly Mad Studios (effectively the Bank of SMS), and they have had to come up with an agreement with the artists, programmers, sound techs, and other behind the scenes guys and gals, probably (only a guess here) by giving them all the change down the back of the sofa until the game gets released, or by working for free until the title sells and giving them a bigger share of the profits.

I think what Blowfish meant was that the rest of the dev studio was not going to work for nothing, and would eventually have to be paid somehow.

Either way it not a comfy place to be and so people calling then incompetent doesn't help as they're risking a lot to get the game out.

 

[blowfishrulez]

The thing is, SMS is not "wasting" WMD members money by having the game delayed. They have to commit all their personal resources as well as their talents to get this game out of the door.

 

[Wolfe]

@rambo793 -- Hey man, that's very cool of you to do that.

I've no doubt that SMS are working hard. There just hasn't been any news to demonstrate that Nintendo fans aren't getting the Ubisoft treatment again. It's frustrating for SMS's sake because I'm sure others have already drawn the conclusion that it's another Watch_Dogs, which will cut into sales. That's no good for SMS and no good for those of us who'd want SMS to come back to Nintendo again in the future.

NDA concerns are a possibility, and I'm aware of the leaks regarding the Wii U version, whether it was to disparage the Wii U with a super early screenshot or when someone else got too excited about optimization gains. SMS has been tight-lipped ever since.

 

[Soulfresh_ACV]

Without reading the original announcement by SMS, I thought the delay was 2 years. The overreaction seriously, I don't need another incomplete buggy game.

Just a reminder, this is a new and highly anticipated IP. All eyes will be on it when it comes out. It will be hard to recover and will forever scar the IP and future crowd-funding game development will be non-existent just because of some fixable and known bugs were to blame.

At least this time they are not using lame excuses like they are trying to avoid from launching PCars same time as other games.

For the sake of racing games especially consoles, we really need SMS to raise the bar for the industry. I have plenty of time during Easter.

 

[blowfishrulez]

I guess they pretty much stopped development of the wiiu version until release of the other versions. The then free resources will be used to steam ahead with the wiiu version. Aside from the NDA, being tight lipped just means that there is nothing new to report, neither to WMD nor to the public.

 

[iQuacks]

Either way it not a comfy place to be and so people calling then incompetent does help as they're risking a lot to get the game out.

I think not releasing something when you say it will be is incompetent, especially when you are saying it to potentially millions of customers. If this was me at my job doing the same thing, questions would be asked whether I'm competent or not.

 

[WarriusZero]

I disagree. I have personally delayed the release of software in my company for late bugs. It's not being incompetent, it's being responsible and pragmatic.

That said, now I need to move my week off work...

 

[Schumi-01]

I think not releasing something when you say it will be is incompetent, especially when you are saying it to potentially millions of customers. If this was me at my job doing the same thing, questions would be asked whether I'm competent or not.

And if they did release it, and it was a buggy mess like DriveClub, they would have got slaughtered for it, so they are in a no win situation, i for one am glad they have delayed it, i bet they didn't make that decision lightly to delay it, they knew they would get a lot of flak for it.

So kudos to them for having the balls to delay it.

 

[Willfred_1]

I think not releasing something when you say it will be is incompetent, especially when you are saying it to potentially millions of customers. If this was me at my job doing the same thing, questions would be asked whether I'm competent or not.

so your happy with the current trend of releasing broken games rather than delaying them.

 

[iQuacks]

so your happy with the current trend of releasing broken games rather than delaying them.

No, but even after delaying it again, pCARS will still not be a finished game. Releasing broken/incomplete games is never going to go away now.

 

[BarryB]

I think not releasing something when you say it will be is incompetent, especially when you are saying it to potentially millions of customers. If this was me at my job doing the same thing, questions would be asked whether I'm competent or not.

Would you rather a builder said he was finished doing your extension when it had no roof? Or would you rather he admitted to being slightly behind schedule and finished the project?

Sometimes delays are required to achieve the best outcome. In ANY arena of life.

 

[iQuacks]

Would you rather a builder said he was finished doing your extension when it had no roof? Or would you rather he admitted to being slightly behind schedule and finished the project?

Sometimes delays are required to achieve the best outcome. In ANY arena of life.

The second option, but I would question his competence, that's what I've been saying.

 

[Zakspeed_TV]

I really don't mind the delay, as im sure it will be worth the wait.

But to delay twice is not good, in business you have to be good to your word for respect.
Giving a late release date in the first place would have been better, and if it was done sooner alls good.

I really hope it is worth the wait.

Edit: is it twice or three times now?

 

[Willfred_1]

I really don't mind the delay, as im sure it will be worth the wait.

But to delay twice is not good, in business you have to be good to your word for respect.
Giving a late release date in the first place would have been better, and if it was done sooner alls good.

I really hope it is worth the wait.

It is. however first impressions count and having a broken game at launch will lead to a reduced chance of Pcars 2.

@iQuacks what makes you question their competence?

 

[Rich2086]

A two week delay i think most are ok with but if they delay again or they do release it and its buggy and unfinished then people will start to annoyed. Im going to cancel my pre-order, if they do release it odds are it wont be 100% finished so i'll let others take the plunge first and if it is decent i'll pick it up in a steam sale.

Got burnt last year with pre-ordering games so i'll wait.

 

[NLxAROSA]

The second option, but I would question his competence, that's what I've been saying.

And you would have every right so, because what they're doing has been done a billion times before and therefor should be able to be estimated to the exact day/hour.

When you're in R&D (not just games development) and as such by definition always treading into uncharted territory (e.g. this is the first real sim on consoles, the first time WMD, etc. etc.), it automatically becomes harder to predict how long things will take or where the problems will be. Simply because no one has done it before. That has nothing to do with competence and you can see it happening everywhere.

 

[nepal road]

I going to stop reading this sub forum for a while . I'm so disheartened at the comments made by people towards SMS and the game. You wouldn't be saying that if you knew just how much they have put on the line to make this game.

Use the ignore feature Willfred, honestly you'll wonder why you never did it sooner. Sadly this board seems to attract an unusual share of trolling that I've seen, but that could be due to the immature nature of the patrons, this being a gaming forum and all. I wonder why you are not splitting your sides with laughter at the inane rubbish posted here so often. Laugh at their arrogant stupidity and then ignore, works really well.

 

[iQuacks]

@iQuacks what makes you question their competence?

Experience, and more recently Driveclub, that was delayed and still a broken mess when it was release. If it had been released 2 weeks later it would have still been released incomplete.

 

[Wolfe]

I guess they pretty much stopped development of the wiiu version until release of the other versions. The then free resources will be used to steam ahead with the wiiu version. Aside from the NDA, being tight lipped just means that there is nothing new to report, neither to WMD nor to the public.

That's what I'm hoping against. It's obviously the smaller user base, but if it's way out after the other versions, that would only compound the problem of a limited return for the efforts made and perpetuate the ill will created by other third party devs, justified or not. No one in the world knows if it's really destined to net the least sales, either. There aren't very many GT/Driveclub or Forza fanboys to worry about on Wii U.

 

[Willfred_1]

That's what I'm hoping against. It's obviously the smaller user base, but if it's way out after the other versions, that would only compound the problem of a limited return for the efforts made and perpetuate the ill will created by other third party devs, justified or not. No one in the world knows if it's really destined to net the least sales, either. There aren't very many GT/Driveclub or Forza fanboys to worry about on Wii U.

While yes the group is smaller they may stand a chance to get extremely good sales as there are only a few developers making games for wii U so there is potentially extremely good sales on that platform.

Use the ignore feature Willfred, honestly you'll wonder why you never did it sooner. Sadly this board seems to attract an unusual share of trolling that I've seen, but that could be due to the immature nature of the patrons, this being a gaming forum and all. I wonder why you are not splitting your sides with laughter at the inane rubbish posted here so often. Laugh at their arrogant stupidity and then ignore, works really well.

Sadly your right. However The Ac sub forum is full of mature sensible people but that's probably because it's a PC only game. I also feel compelled to make sure people are as correctly informed as possible. However with game being released soon the influx of patrons with unrealistic expectations and a strong sense of self entitlement seems be holding this sub forum back.

 

[BarryB]

A two week delay i think most are ok with but if they delay again or they do release it and its buggy and unfinished then people will start to annoyed. Im going to cancel my pre-order, if they do release it odds are it wont be 100% finished so i'll let others take the plunge first and if it is decent i'll pick it up in a steam sale.

Got burnt last year with pre-ordering games so i'll wait.

I cannot see how a two week delay makes you want to cancel your order. Surely thats a sign of making sure everything is right before releasing it?

Experience, and more recently Driveclub, that was delayed and still a broken mess when it was release. If it had been released 2 weeks later it would have still been released incomplete.

I dont see how the two things are remotely related. Many games have had a two week delay and released perfectly in the past. So Im going to go ahead and assume troll.

 

[iQuacks]

patrons with unrealistic expectations and a strong sense of self entitlement seems be holding this sub forum back.

If unrealistic expectations means me expecting developers to tell the truth - yep, I have unrealistic expectations.
If self entitlement means paying customer, yes i'm self entitled.