PS4K - Revealed Alongside PS4 Slim as PS4 Pro - General DiscussionPS4 

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Lain
Would you rather they stick to the "next-gen" model where you're forced to buy into an entirely new console to enjoy the improved graphics, losing compatibility with your old titles unless you keep yet another "last-gen" box around?
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Seems to me that there are plenty of examples of new game consoles that didn't require that sacrifice (and since next generation will probably be x86 as well, it's even harder to justify), so I'm not sure how that provides justification for PS4K.


I mean, Sony could probably try when they go to market the thing, but this is the same company trying to force Playstation Now so I'm not thinking people would buy it.
 
Im laughing at people saying how silly Sony are but see themselves as not being foolish...
So why some already make judgement based on knowing basically nothing for certain?

Swallow it up or deal with it...
 
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They may not be happy and if they have to create additional work for such.
Here is an example, DVD has co-existed with Blu Ray for years yet people make the choice what to buy.

If you want the more enhanced version of the title you pay a premium for it. Could this be a factor for PS4K enhanced titles? Developers will want financial returns to make it worthwhile and yes it makes sense that Sony will bring developers incentives to do such.
 
^It could also go the other way, lots of developers might not even bother creating the NEO capable assets and you will in essence get games which look basically the same on both tiers of system with minimal improvement. I would like to see how much real difference the PS4K would make to titles seeing as it now looks like there won't be dedicated games made for it.

Storage might also be an issue, how are they going to put the standard and NEO assests on one Blu Ray disk if the game is large? Are the enhancements going to be a download only patch affair?
 
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DF say they have the same sources.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-sonys-plan-for-playstation-4k-neo-revealed

There is no doubt - this is real. This is the new, more powerful PlayStation 4.

The release window is unclear, but the schedule for hardware roll-out to developers is black and white: development kits prototype are on their way to studios now. A test kit (debug station, if you like) housed within a non-final chassis - which Sony is asking developers not to show - follows shortly. A second-gen test kit, again not based on the actual retail shell, goes out in June. Sony gives more intensive Neo briefings at its DevCon event in in May, while code submission for Neo-compatible titles begins in August.
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Pah, what backlash, you referring to the whiners/moaners and internet frenzy of crybabies?
Like your PS4 then keep liking it folks. I see it no different than the DVD/Blu Ray scenario if the content of titles remains intact which makes business sense that it will.

What if Neo is "us" the pills are the current and new "PS4"
Sony has their eyes on us all... :)
 
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Mr Latte
Pah, what backlash, you referring to the whiners/moaners and internet frenzy of crybabies?
Like your PS4 then keep liking it folks. I see it no different than the DVD/Blu Ray scenario if the content of titles remains intact which makes business sense that it will.

What if Neo is "us" the pills are the current and new "PS4"
Sony has their eyes on us all... :)
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The difference is that the upgrade from DVD to Blu-Ray is massive in both picture and audio, where as the upgrade here would be tiny and entirely unnecessary. Anyone who feel the need to frequently spend large amounts of money on tiny graphical upgrades can stick to playing on their PC's.
 
Lots of people do not even care or see the Blu Ray massive improvement you talk of, they are happy with DVD.
Yet you get others simply want the best from their TV/Audio experience they can achieve.

Some may just want it because it is the newest thing even if the performance differences are limited.
I personally think it will sell and have success for a targeted market even if the standard PS4 like "DVD" will outsell it. Really depends on the price and what it offers as to how many will take interest.
 
I've been looking to get a 4K bluray player and the new PS4.5 Neo will probably be the ticket. If it can upscale all games to 4K that would be great too
 
Earth
I've been looking to get a 4K bluray player and the new PS4.5 Neo will probably be the ticket. If it can upscale all games to 4K that would be great too
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....There hasn't been any indication that PS4 NEO will ship with a 4K Blu Ray drive.

But I know no word =/= not included, so your reasoning for waiting a while makes sense.
 
Mr Latte
Lots of people do not even care or see the Blu Ray massive improvement you talk of, they are happy with DVD.
Yet you get others simply want the best from their TV/Audio experience they can achieve.

Some may just want it because it is the newest thing even if the performance differences are limited.
I personally think it will sell and have success for a targeted market even if the standard PS4 like "DVD" will outsell it. Really depends on the price and what it offers as to how many will take interest.
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It will also rely on how the developers get around to optimizing the game for both parties. If the lesser is left cold, then it will be sour, if nothing is targeted for the greater, than what's the point of it even existing? Everything they are doing with it seems completely unnecessary at this point, and has the potential for more problems either way we look at it.

I'm hoping that my skepticism is proven wrong, because if it is, I'll gladly take the weaker PS4 at a discounted price if there will be no problem between the two as it's likely that I won't be getting a 4k TV anytime soon.
 
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Colin MoriartyVerified account‏@notaxation
A trusted source tells me most developers are not happy with PS4.5, and having to develop around it. Extra cost, planning, other nonsense.
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PS4 neo mode might just have better aa and frames rate boost and upscalling to 4K.

People simply need to clam down and see if PS4.5 is worth it or not. I see big performance boost nothing substantial gfx wise. I was also angry when WSJ reports came in. But now I am ok with it. If they mess the PS4 base mode then there will be a huge ********* for sure. Which I don't think will be the case as it will be sold for 300 or even 250$ and be the popular version where as PS4.5 will be 400-450$.

Colin is just stupid and for 30mins is just freaking, ranting over it. Greg is more sensible.
lots of swearing in the video


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Seems like a strategically smart move on Sony's part.

Having locked up a superior console base (vs Xbox), they should anticipate an earlier slowdown of sales. Neo gives them the advantage of customer choice. Two consoles vs Microsoft's one. Neo is also complementary to Morpheus giving them a flagship, or "halo" product. Certainly there will be some deferred sales as some will wait for Neo, however, many of these people intend waiting for Morpheus anyway.

The downside is that developers have to optimize for, and test on, two PS4s. Big deal. That's a shedload easier than software development for the PC. Yes, we are hearing whining from some game studios, however the end result is more PS version game sales for a small delta in dev and test effort.
 
GBO Possum
Neo gives them the advantage of customer choice. Two consoles vs Microsoft's one.
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Rumor has it Microsoft will be releasing an updated system (or two) as well.

GBO Possum
The downside is that developers have to optimize for, and test on, two PS4s. Big deal. That's a shedload easier than software development for the PC. Yes, we are hearing whining from some game studios, however the end result is more PS version game sales for a small delta in dev and test effort.
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They used to do that for PS2/PS3, surely they can do it here.
 
JKgo
Well the plot thickens.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...gn-wins-point-to-new-console-hardware-in-2016

If it got any thicker it would become a glue instead.

AMD boss lady says three new consoles, by 2017. PS4 "Neo", Xbox One.2, and Nintendo NX.

Might as well call them PS5, XB-2, and uh, Wii 3?
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AMD has pretty much confirmed that these are real now, they didn't exactly go to great lengths to hide what they were really talking about :lol:

Unless 3 totally new challengers to the console world are incoming we can safely say where these chips are headed!
 
What an absolutely terrible time for the consumer this is. Consoles not even three years old and will already be technically obsolete.
 
VXR
What an absolutely terrible time for the consumer this is. Consoles not even three years old and will already be technically obsolete.
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So, as a consumer, why should I worry about "technical obsolescence"? My Xbox 360 still works just as well as it always did, and I still enjoy Skyrim. I feel no pain regarding obsolescence.

And in the console world, the cost to upgrade is low and the need to upgrade will also be low. Compare that with the PC world, where gaming PCs can, and do, become "technically obsolete" in a year. The arms race is expensive!
 
GBO Possum
So, as a consumer, why should I worry about "technical obsolescence"? My Xbox 360 still works just as well as it always did, and I still enjoy Skyrim. I feel no pain regarding obsolescence.

And in the console world, the cost to upgrade is low and the need to upgrade will also be low. Compare that with the PC world, where gaming PCs can, and do, become "technically obsolete" in a year. The arms race is expensive!
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I agree that this is an expensive hobby, but these mid generation consoles just seem unnecessary, really. I suppose if it was all at the same time, it wouldn't have been such a blow, but right now it just seems odd. What I'm wondering is why the sudden push?

The need to upgrade will only be low if the developers can get everything underwraps for both users. That is yet to seen, so while I am a skeptic, I'll reserve final judgement until the end product comes. Either way, the whole point of a console is to buy one and it last for a long time, with out the need for an upgrade anytime in the near future. The fact that it has the potential, and looks to be heading in the direction that these are going to start needing an upgrade on a regular scale like that of a PC, is whats worrying. That is what people are trying to escape. I understand that it's not so much a problem for PC users, because they are used to it and choose to take that route, but the console route is likely chosen to escape that in the first place.
 
Earth
I've been looking to get a 4K bluray player and the new PS4.5 Neo will probably be the ticket. If it can upscale all games to 4K that would be great too
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The thing is... that upscaling costs processing power somewhere in the chain. 4k TVs have upscale capability so that upscaling might as well be left to the TV.
 
GBO Possum
So, as a consumer, why should I worry about "technical obsolescence"? My Xbox 360 still works just as well as it always did, and I still enjoy Skyrim. I feel no pain regarding obsolescence.

And in the console world, the cost to upgrade is low and the need to upgrade will also be low. Compare that with the PC world, where gaming PCs can, and do, become "technically obsolete" in a year. The arms race is expensive!
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What? you do know that an old console like xbox360 is obsolete when there are not more games released for it? You know, my pc is from 2011-2012 and all I have done is upgrade from 8GB ram to 16Gb ram. Not because i needed it but because i thought it would future proof my system a bit. Only when playing a game and having a movie on and having Firefox with 700tabs opened do I see that the ram usage is 12GB. So If I only used one program/game at a time I would not even need 8GB.

You do know that in a console you are locked, setting wise if I think my pc struggles I just turn some of the settings down. Ie my old pc(3770k/gtx 670) is not obsolete at all even after 4 years without any upgrade worth noting. A pc user can basically play an old game from the 90s and play future games if he is willing to compromise with the graphical settings. Do that on a console.

So if yo do not buy the cheapest and slowest pc then you will probably be fine a long time. So you are wrong, and you do talk against your self in your statement.
 
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