Relaxed, General Forza 6 Chat

[LumpiestFish]

NASCAR is such a popular series world wide that has never really seen major love in Forza, with the only stock cars being those lame ones in Forza 4. It's an expansion that could sell to those that don't currently have the game too, as NASCAR fans might possibly see it and want to then purchase the game. I think it's awesome that we will now be having another series that has been longed for in Forza.

 

[Nielsen]

I can see why they do it, but NASCAR is not for me. I barely touched the licensed content included in recent GT games.

I have never even paid attention to that Homestead track, so I decided to check a few videos of its layouts. I should not judge before trying, but what I saw didn't fuel my interest.

It's fine though... I didn't expect anything major at this point. FM6 has already been expensive enough and I'm still looking forward to whatever monthly car packs they may release. That's not to say for sure I won't be getting this, but it's not the no brainer Porsche + VIR was.

 

[Imari]

Well, obviously I take a different view of the world, as we are all entitled to apparently.

Myself I do no use a gaming PC, I use an XBox One... so Apex is precisely of no use to me... that's the issue. Offering something free to an existing customer who has no use for it is an insult imo

People in general have always confused me, when one has owned companies which have a service aspect and dealt with the public which I have all my working life, then one of the major difficulties is to get the silent majority to complain when they do not like something. They vote with their wallets instead.

Supine sycophants are 10 a penny and really of no use to anyone because one cannot improve ones service and therefore profits without people saying "Don't like that'... silence is very definitely not acquiescence. It is also a bare reality of life that "....the mice in meetings are the rats outside". People who keep agreeing and smiling, they need watching. It is also a well proven facet of business that "...you have to have some grit in the shell to make a pearl"

Personally in my business experience I very much like the people who say "That's no good, I don't like that" It is much like a car which is broken and does not run, that is relatively easy to fix. But an intermittent fault is a real pain. Not knowing what you are doing is upsetting some or many your clients is metaphorically speaking an intermittent fault

With that in mind a USP of Forza 6 on release was "It is only available on XBox One'... whilst Apex is not a full Forza 6 and whilst in the strict letter of the law there is no infringement of that marketing promise, it is very definitely blurring the lines of the spirit of the law; there is a certain under handedness about that imo.

That said in wholly generalised terms there are many things I do not understand about 'people' and an unfortunate aspect of the internet is that we all comes across a myriad of characters that one would not converse with at all in real life.

The upshot of that is, experientially, very many people become confused as to what is actually being said.

Mate, if you want to be mad that other people have access to a buggy tech demo with maybe three hours of actual content, don't let me stop you. But would you really have the same problem if they'd called it Forza x64: The Tech Demo Edition?

I mean, if they'd put Apex on X1 you'd have exactly as much use for it as you have now, because compared to Forza 6 it's a tiny broken mess. It'd be a waste of 20GB for you to download it if you already have FM6.

It's like someone getting jealous that a six year old is hitting on your girlfriend. Yeah, she interacts with people who aren't you and maybe that's a bit weird, but a six year old is not exactly a threat to you. Or maybe it is? Who knows.

 

[L8 Apex]

What is the third oval in the game right now, apparently this will make four?

Daytona, Indianapolis and...?

Pretty sure those are the only two currently. I'm guessing Honda is still unwilling to play ball with Motegi, but I wouldn't mind seeing Sunset Peninsula and/or Sedona (and their road course and drag variants) make a return.

 

[turbofozz]

24 nascar around the Glen. Oh boy!

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

Well, obviously I take a different view of the world, as we are all entitled to apparently.

Myself I do no use a gaming PC, I use an XBox One... so Apex is precisely of no use to me... that's the issue. Offering something free to an existing customer who has no use for it is an insult imo

People in general have always confused me, when one has owned companies which have a service aspect and dealt with the public which I have all my working life, then one of the major difficulties is to get the silent majority to complain when they do not like something. They vote with their wallets instead.

Supine sycophants are 10 a penny and really of no use to anyone because one cannot improve ones service and therefore profits without people saying "Don't like that'... silence is very definitely not acquiescence. It is also a bare reality of life that "....the mice in meetings are the rats outside". People who keep agreeing and smiling, they need watching. It is also a well proven facet of business that "...you have to have some grit in the shell to make a pearl"

Personally in my business experience I very much like the people who say "That's no good, I don't like that" It is much like a car which is broken and does not run, that is relatively easy to fix. But an intermittent fault is a real pain. Not knowing what you are doing is upsetting some or many your clients is metaphorically speaking an intermittent fault

With that in mind a USP of Forza 6 on release was "It is only available on XBox One'... whilst Apex is not a full Forza 6 and whilst in the strict letter of the law there is no infringement of that marketing promise, it is very definitely blurring the lines of the spirit of the law; there is a certain under handedness about that imo.

That said in wholly generalised terms there are many things I do not understand about 'people' and an unfortunate aspect of the internet is that we all comes across a myriad of characters that one would not converse with at all in real life.

The upshot of that is, experientially, very many people become confused as to what is actually being said.

You are right, you have a different view...
So if T10 releases a Playstation version, making it cross-platform, like many developers, that is a slap in the face? I have Dirt Rally and AC on the PC, should I be insulted that they were released (soon in AC's case) for the consoles? As many have stated, Apex is a preview, not a full game.
Your logic doesn't make sense to me but you're free to be insulted.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Anybody having trouble sharing content like photos and designs? I've been getting a "Please try again later" error when trying to share a Formula E design I made and photographed.


EDIT: The photos got shared fine, but I can't share the design.

 

[Patrick]

FINALLY. Homestead is a pretty bad choice of a track, but at least it's something.

edit- If they don't have rolling starts that will be frustrating.

 

[bremics]

Wonder what if any elevation or kinks it will have. At least the pond will and more character.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Well, this should be fun. I think I'll re-live some fond memories from when I played the Nascar Thunder games as a kid. Those were fun times.

 

[GTFan24]

Sweet!! Those guys working on NASCAR 16' might have to step up their game now big time after this. Can't wait to see what paint schemes the community can come up with! 👍

 

[SimTourist]

Currently 578 cars in the game. Plus this NASCAR 24 car pack, we'll cross the 600 cars mark sooner than anticipated. Plus a June car pack is not out of the question.

 

[TonyJZX]

If its Ford Chevy or Toyota, I guess I have to drive for Toyota being the lowest affinity.

Be interested to see what the mission progress/structure is. I wasnt that impressed with the way porsche panned out... it was there and then it was over.

 

[turbofozz]

I'd say a career that includes races at Indy, Daytona, Miami, Sonoma and Watkins glen. Then an endurance at Daytona and maybe some drafting/passing challenges

 

[bremics]

Looks like there is a slight down hill section on the second curve but otherwise mostly flat, reminds me quite a bit of Long Beach.

 

[SimTourist]

Looks like there is a slight down hill section on the second curve but otherwise mostly flat, reminds me quite a bit of Long Beach.

Track looks alright, a bit empty even compared to Daytona/Indy, and personally I would've preferred Willow Springs, but this one is okay too. Up to 28 tracks now, and only Pacific Raceways is left to appear out of all the leaked track scans T10 did. Wonder what they'll have in store for Forza 7 and how many more tracks can they add seeing FM6's already robust roster.

 

[willbsn13]

Not a massive fan of Nascar, but will be a pretty popular expansion and I can definitely see why they've chosen it.

A couple of points to mention

• Another track off the smart geometrics leak. As @SimTourist pointed out, only Pacific Raceways is left.
• Another body family off the unused options in FM5's Private MP options. Should be noted that all of these unused body types (60's GP, 80's/90's GP, American Stock Cars, Early GT Racing, Early Prototype Racing, Pre-War GP) have come to fruition in FM6, except - German Touring Cars, Pro Stock Drag Racing and Racing Trucks.
• Just spit-balling here..if FM5 is anything to go by, this sounds eerily similar to what the expansion pass sounded like (http://i.imgur.com/qSU6TzD.png) before it was all scrapped.. A themed expansion with one track, cars, a set of new career events, $20 etc. Of course we were scheduled to get 3 in FM5 (instead we got 3 free tracks due to consumer backlash). This could theoretically be the second of said expansions (if they are implementing them in FM6) with the third possibly coming just before Horizon 3....maybe a Gamescom "you can play it now!" reveal? Would make sense. Pacific Raceways could be the track, with it being a drag focused expansion?

Again just throwing around ideas. If true, we could see FM6 finishing up with 620+ cars and 29 tracks. Pretty bloody impressive. I don't see any other racing game coming even close to this sort of content any time soon. Based T10.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

we could see FM6 finishing up with 620+ cars and 29 tracks. Pretty bloody impressive. I don't see any other racing game coming even close to this sort of content any time soon. Based T10.

It's amazing to think that T10 entered the current gen market with such a stripped car selection, now it's the highest a car list with universal car modelling quality has been since GT4.

You also have to consider that GT6 has around 400 premiums, less than FM6's total list. What Forza has achieved is pretty spectacular.

 

[ClydeYellow]

It's amazing to think that T10 entered the current gen market with such a stripped car selection, now it's the highest a car list with universal car modelling quality has been since GT4.

You also have to consider that GT6 has around 400 premiums, less than FM6's total list. What Forza has achieved is pretty spectacular.

Now, that's only half of the story. T10 is working a lot harder than in the pass to future-proof their assets. Unless they will switch to soft-body physics on the Xbox Dos (which I very much doubt is even feasibile) they will likely be able to port this gen's models without them looking half-bad. Worst case scenario they'll have to rework some of the cars that don't have Forzavista.

Which means that ten years from now, Forza Motorsport may be a franchise which will offer >1500 cars right out of the box, and keep expanding on the car list with every monthly pack and at every iteration.

 

[bremics]

Not a massive fan of Nascar, but will be a pretty popular expansion and I can definitely see why they've chosen it.

A couple of points to mention

• Another track off the smart geometrics leak. As @SimTourist pointed out, only Pacific Raceways is left.
• Another body family off the unused options in FM5's Private MP options. Should be noted that all of these unused body types (60's GP, 80's/90's GP, American Stock Cars, Early GT Racing, Early Prototype Racing, Pre-War GP) have come to fruition in FM6, except - German Touring Cars, Pro Stock Drag Racing and Racing Trucks.
• Just spit-balling here..if FM5 is anything to go by, this sounds eerily similar to what the expansion pass sounded like (http://i.imgur.com/qSU6TzD.png) before it was all scrapped.. A themed expansion with one track, cars, a set of new career events, $20 etc. Of course we were scheduled to get 3 in FM5 (instead we got 3 free tracks due to consumer backlash). This could theoretically be the second of said expansions (if they are implementing them in FM6) with the third possibly coming just before Horizon 3....maybe a Gamescom "you can play it now!" reveal? Would make sense. Pacific Raceways could be the track, with it being a drag focused expansion?

Again just throwing around ideas. If true, we could see FM6 finishing up with 620+ cars and 29 tracks. Pretty bloody impressive. I don't see any other racing game coming even close to this sort of content any time soon. Based T10.

I'm looking forward to Pacific Raceways in FM7 I guess, looks absolutely fantastic.

 

[Ryan81]

I will probably still get it although not a NASCAR fan. Can see that they need to cater for the U.S. fans plus being an American studio to boot....

 

[TonyJZX]

Yeah that was the irony I was always amused by. Sony grabbed the nascar license and dominated it for the last few years. But there was also a few sub-licences like that Nascar 14 game.

So it always seemed odd that a Japanese company was the spearhead for Nascar (none of the smaller nascar games had much traction).

I really dislike Nascar as a spectacle... as a sport and am glad there are no short ovals in the game.

I do like Talladega and the super speedways for the sheer color of the events however I reckon on the tracks like Watkins Glen and that sort is when Nascar really becomes fun to people like us who are born and bred on circuit racing.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I will probably still get it although not a NASCAR fan. Can see that they need to cater for the U.S. fans plus being an American studio to boot....

Or maybe T10 are attempting to capture all of the motorsport divisions?

 

[BlazeTheCat05]

It always made me wonder why we didn't at least have those generic NASCAR stock cars from FM4 brought back. Nice to see that we may be getting some brand new ones to play with.

 

[JeffKill]

Very cool for NASCAR fans, but I'll have to pass.

 

[turbofozz]

Just had one of the best online battles I have ever had, Me in a '65 Mini Cooper the other guy a Chevy Chevelle both C class. Super intense driving, replay to come soon.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Can't wait for the Daytona USA 2 liveries.

 

[Imari]

Yeah that was the irony I was always amused by. Sony grabbed the nascar license and dominated it for the last few years. But there was also a few sub-licences like that Nascar 14 game.

So it always seemed odd that a Japanese company was the spearhead for Nascar (none of the smaller nascar games had much traction).

I really dislike Nascar as a spectacle... as a sport and am glad there are no short ovals in the game.

I do like Talladega and the super speedways for the sheer color of the events however I reckon on the tracks like Watkins Glen and that sort is when Nascar really becomes fun to people like us who are born and bred on circuit racing.

I'm not a fan of watching Nascar either. But I've been converted to appreciate actually racing on ovals after spending some time doing it in iRacing. It really requires a fairly advanced physics system to capture the nuance of what goes on in oval racing, but when you get it it's an experience completely unlike anything in circuit racing.

The speed differences are so small that you can be fighting with the same group of people for dozens of laps. Awareness and positioning become incredibly important. I think during circuit racing you can get away with mediocre racecraft to a certain extent, simply because a lot of the time you're not near other people and/or you can blow past them quickly. On an oval that almost never happens, and so it really requires you to step up your racecraft.

Which I've found to be very beneficial to my circuit racing, to be honest. I'm still primarily a road racer, but I use ovals to practise my racecraft because you can get more practise in one race on an oval than half a dozen on a road course.

Tyre management is also a massive deal, and having the right setup can make or break a race because tenths are so valuable. I think it's a very interesting race type that anyone who likes racing should definitely spend some time running. It's unlikely to become your favourite if you don't like it already, but you'll gain an appreciation for different aspects of racing than those you might previously have been exposed to.

 

[Drave]

On the NASCAR front; turning left has never been quite so difficult.....

If they bring out NASCAR, good. Rally X would be good. 1990's UK touring cars would be brilliantly fantastic as they had huge budgets and the cars were superb. More hill climbs not just PP and even go kart racing ... myself I'll give anything a go.

 

[Eunosthedeer]

I'm not a huge Nascar fan but would still love it in Forza.

Honestly I welcome anything motorracing related into Forza.

Banger racing for F7