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That said, I was always taught to think of it as a "parking brake", since that's all you should really be using it for in a modern car.

In the UK it's supposed to be used when stopped in traffic too....see section 114 here.

I still don't like the term e-brake though.....fair enough it could be used as a backup in the event of the foot brake failing but that's surely not what it's meant for. It makes about as much sense as calling my wireless keyboard an emergency fly swatter :lol:
 
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The main downside is that it doesn't work on cars with non-existant low end torque but on the other hand it works on those that have pathetically weak handbrakes, such as my own. About it killing the clutch, I've used the said method with four and a half years now with the same car and it has yet to complain so if the clutch goes as a result of doing it, something is done wrong or the clutch was on its last legs anyway.

Ah. Y'see that's where our preferred options differ. Most of the cars I've driven have been fairly low power/torque, and the ones with more power have usually been automatics (thinking about it... I don't think I've driven a manual transmission car with more than about 170bhp, but dozens of autos with much more than that), where it doesn't matter anyway. In my head all I can think about with your method is constant stalling as there's not enough torque at the biting point - whereas with my handbrake method, it doesn't matter as you can give the engine some revs 👍

I still don't like the term e-brake though.....fair enough it could be used as a backup in the event of the foot brake failing but that's surely not what it's meant for. It makes about as much sense as calling my wireless keyboard an emergency fly swatter :lol:

It used to make a lot more sense, but since the days of dual-circuit brakes, disc brakes and the like, the term "e-brake" is much less relevant as brakes very rarely fail/overheat any more.

I know UK magazines like Autocar actually used to test the braking strength of the handbrake as well as the regular brakes, as brake failures were a common enough occurence that it was useful to know you had a powerful handbrake too...
 
I still don't like the term e-brake though.....fair enough it could be used as a backup in the event of the foot brake failing but that's surely not what it's meant for. It makes about as much sense as calling my wireless keyboard an emergency fly swatter :lol:

Yeah if the brakes were to fail I would just down shift and let the engine do the braking, unless it was an automatic or diesel, crash it anyway. Good thing I drive a manual. lololol
 
When I last posted in this thread, I drove an Automatic, now I drive a Manual...

..and,

I miss the Auto so much! Not really anything to do with the transmission, but the auto was a 328i Coupe, the manual is a 320d Tourer.

... the lesson is, the transmission is a lot less important than the car it's attached to.
 
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Yeah if the brakes were to fail I would just down shift and let the engine do the braking, unless it was an automatic or diesel, crash it anyway. Good thing I drive a manual. lololol

Or even worse a diesel with an automatic...crashing is too good for them after suffering a road trip in one. It was banging away at 3500rpm for hours on end going down the motorway...that got old quick! Never again!...Hopefully :)
 
In the UK it's supposed to be used when stopped in traffic too....see section 114 here.

I still don't like the term e-brake though.....fair enough it could be used as a backup in the event of the foot brake failing but that's surely not what it's meant for. It makes about as much sense as calling my wireless keyboard an emergency fly swatter :lol:

On 4WD cars with the 4WD mode engaged, pulling the handbrake will lock all four wheels. The main use for the handbrake is to stop the car rolling when you park it. It's not like you can keep pressing the hydralic brake even when you've parked your car and you're on the outside. If it's an absolute emergency and there is no other way to slow the car down, then carefully you can gently pull up the handbrake to slow the car down. If you're not careful you will lock the rear wheels too quickly, possibly causing a spin and causing you a lot of trouble if you are on public roads.

And that rule would also explain why private cab drivers always pull up the handbrake in between traffic stops at lights.
 
Reason #321 to drive a manual- American High School Girls think it's some sort of higher talent.

*Pulls up in Camry*
"Oh, so you got your dad's car... neat."
*Sarcastic* "Yeah, I'd much rather have my car..."

*She gets in*
"OH MY GOSH! You drive a manual? That is soooo cool. You HAVE to teach me how sometime!"
Boom. She already gave an excuse for a second date.

See, I was in a 2001 Camry(Beige), and then the Manual happened, and it became awesome. And that has happened on more than one occasion.

Manual=Ladies. The end.

CAUTION! Do NOT mess up. Do not do anything other than a smooth getaway from a light- Any kind of shuddering will make you seem like less of a pro*.

Unless you're my friend, who has a Track day Mustang, and can use the excuse "Oh yeah, but this is basically a race car, the clutch is supposed to do that." True story.
 
Yeah if the brakes were to fail I would just down shift and let the engine do the braking, unless it was an automatic or diesel, crash it anyway. Good thing I drive a manual. lololol

:confused: You can downshift an automatic and let the engine do the braking. I was doing it all weekend in the mountains.
 
:confused: You can downshift an automatic and let the engine do the braking. I was doing it all weekend in the mountains.

Which is great and all, until you try to slot it back into drive, miss, and end up in reverse, which kills the engine, even though you quickly put in back in Neutral, and then the power steering stops, and you suddenly have a fully loaded Tacoma with no power steering on a mountain road.

The worst part? You have to be in park to start the engine. And your brakes go all heavy, which makes it harder to stop, once you do find a turnout.

Well, thats what I heard... I didnt actually do that... who is that stupid?
 
Which is great and all, until you try to slot it back into drive, miss, and end up in reverse, which kills the engine, even though you quickly put in back in Neutral, and then the power steering stops, and you suddenly have a fully loaded Tacoma with no power steering on a mountain road.

The worst part? You have to be in park to start the engine. And your brakes go all heavy, which makes it harder to stop, once you do find a turnout.

Well, thats what I heard... I didnt actually do that... who is that stupid?

You can't put an automatic into reverse while it's moving forward, it's not physically possible unless you are driving a really old vehicle and even then you probably don't have the strength to do it. Every newer car and I mean like cars that are probably 30 or more years old have fail safes on them so you can't put it in reverse while moving forward.

Also if you're in motion power steering failure isn't the end of the world either. A buddy of mine traversed The Dragon numerous amounts of times this weekend in a Dodge Neon with no power steering, the only issue he had was a sore neck...but so did all of us. You also forget power steering is a relatively new addition to vehicles, I'm sure all those hillbilly's back in the day could race down mountain roads in their Ford picks up with no power steering just fine.

You also don't have to be in park to start an automatic either, it'll start while in neutral. It's a safety thing in case your engine does stall out while in motion.
 
You can't put an automatic into reverse while it's moving forward, it's not physically possible unless you are driving a really old vehicle and even then you probably don't have the strength to do it. Every newer car and I mean like cars that are probably 30 or more years old have fail safes on them so you can't put it in reverse while moving forward.



You also don't have to be in park to start an automatic either, it'll start while in neutral. It's a safety thing in case your engine does stall out while in motion.

The lever was briefly moved into reverse. I dont think it actually engaged reverse gear... For whatever reason, the engine died. Which was strange, and I attributed that to selecting Reverse by accident. It may very well have been something else.

And I turned the key to no avail in Neutral, so I dont know.
 
CAUTION! Do NOT mess up. Do not do anything other than a smooth getaway from a light- Any kind of shuddering will make you seem like less of a pro*.
I had driven stick for 10 years when I bought my 370Z. After three years in that car, I still don't have 100% smooth starts. The clutch engagement is very aggressive, and 1st gear is almost useless for normal street driving (the car is almost impossible to stall, though). Starting in 2nd is as smooth-as-silk most of the time.
 
I had driven stick for 10 years when I bought my 370Z. After three years in that car, I still don't have 100% smooth starts. The clutch engagement is very aggressive, and 1st gear is almost useless for normal street driving (the car is almost impossible to stall, though). Starting in 2nd is as smooth-as-silk most of the time.

Starting in 2nd, I've found, is just bonus points.
Even more if you have a Tracker (With a stupidly low 'box) and start from 3rd

But I totally know what you mean about having rough starts on some cars. I suppose the reason for such a low first is if you had to start on, say, a Hill in San Francisco, which easily sees a 15% grade in some places.
 
Or even worse a diesel with an automatic...crashing is too good for them after suffering a road trip in one. It was banging away at 3500rpm for hours on end going down the motorway...that got old quick! Never again!...Hopefully :)

What on earth diesel was that? I can't remember having driven a single diesel that did more than about 2,500rpm at 80-ish, but plenty of petrol cars the wrong side of 4k rpm.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a diesel/auto combo anyway. In most cases they're much less frustrating to drive than diesel/manual because you don't spend your life changing gear in a narrow power and torque band.
 
What on earth diesel was that? I can't remember having driven a single diesel that did more than about 2,500rpm at 80-ish, but plenty of petrol cars the wrong side of 4k rpm.

There's nothing inherently wrong with a diesel/auto combo anyway. In most cases they're much less frustrating to drive than diesel/manual because you don't spend your life changing gear in a narrow power and torque band.

A new-ish Peugot. One of the ones with a built in bouncy castle on the front and the interior styled by lunatics.....that'll narrow it down :lol:

Might not have been so bad if had more gears.
 
Last diesel auto hatchback I had was banging away at 3500 rpm on at a cruise, too.

Of course, I was doing around 120-ish miles an hour...

Even the five-speed diesel Getz I had a few years back did over 80 mph at 3000 rpm.
 
A new-ish Peugot. One of the ones with a built in bouncy castle on the front and the interior styled by lunatics.....that'll narrow it down :lol:

Coincidentally, I'm driving a diesel Peugeot at the moment. No idea what revs it's doing at 70/80 because it's a hybrid too and doesn't have a rev-counter, but it's nowhere near 3,500. It's barely audible at 70/80.
 
I drive a manual, love driving it, all of the above is true, control, fun, efficiency, not to mention cheaper to repair if anything goes wrong (as a rule), and I'd never buy an automatic of my generation of car.

However, I think this crusade is doomed to fail, first it was BMW's 'SMG' "as fast at the manual option" then Volkswagen's 'DSG' "faster than the manual by 0.2 seconds to 60mph" (these aren't true quotes), how long will it be before a manual gearbox is as ancient looking as double de-clutching, a live axle, a crank start for your engine, steel wheels, in car phones, all of these terminologies have come and gone in automobiles, and the manual transmission will ultimately be next on the block, especially when you think of the shift to alternative energy, I don't think manuals will make the transition.

This doesn't mean we have to lose the control and efficiency that we love in our manual transmissions, just because we have access to the convenience as well. This is the fundamental flaw in the argument, people are set that it’s either one or the other; I think there should be room for both.

Keep the stick, but have it move forward and backward, yes, lose the clutch, but retain the full control you had, and more, with instant changing paddles - my dad's car has paddle shifters with a single clutch, and imo, it’s not quite there yet (ML63 '12), but if they can have these paddles react as quickly or quicker than you can change yourself, have you feel as at ease, none of us will care if we're controlling it from the wheel or a sequential stick, we'll retain total control, speed, even fun I'd say, plus more with these options than we ever possibly had with a manual stick.

I think your opinions are valid gentlemen, but I simply don't see why this crusade is necessary, and I can't see how you'll ever declare victory, assuming you think it’s possible.
 
CAUTION! Do NOT mess up. Do not do anything other than a smooth getaway from a light- Any kind of shuddering will make you seem like less of a pro*.

Try it in Pittsburgh. Starting from a stop on a 1:4 grade is pretty tough. I still can't do it...:(
 
Same here, can I join?

Lol, all you have to do is put your money where you mouth is, and buy a new car from a dealer and spec a manual.. everything else is just a fart in a paper bag (my analogy for actionless keyboard warriors)
 
Lol, all you have to do is put your money where you mouth is, and buy a new car from a dealer and spec a manual.. everything else is just a fart in a paper bag (my analogy for actionless keyboard warriors)

Was looking online today for a RX-8 and mother of god. Someone bought a automatic one..WHO THE HECK BUYS A AUTOMATIC ROTARY????????? Ok raging done. Half the fun of a rotary is shifting at 9000rpm
 
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