Shootings and explosions in Paris.

[killerjimbag]

Interesting thought. Meanwhile at my place, aside from small armies, there are illegal sex workers who sent to ISIS territory, only to discover they got AIDS and whole ISIS shaken and even sent Egyptian Doctor there. XD And you thought ISIS is faithful to Islam.


This is why, even with the very condolences of the victims there at Charlie Hebdo, im quite disagreed with the idea of free speech Hebdo has. Though on the positive side they will bash anything on the front of them, not just specific that is Islam and others.

Yes I totally agree,glad you said it.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

 

[Sanji Himura]

I think that the problem is very, very different to that. The French are generally pretty good at counter-terror operations; it's the "lone wolf" sryle of attack that everyone is struggling to counter-act. And ISIL will accept anyone to their cause - if they claim to be acting in line with ISIL's ideology, ISIL will endorse them, even if there has been no prior contact between them.

I think that this is made perfectly clear at this point in the game that this was a coordinated effort between at least ten people. Even though it took 20 people to take down the twin towers on 9/11/01, and countless more to kill four people during Benghazi, the point is that ISIS has gotten so organized with their training that this attack has occurred with a squad the size of an A-Team (12 people, not referring to the TV show), should indicate that someone over high up at ISIS does have military training and was successful in passing that training down.

This is only the beginning people.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

And you thought ISIS is faithful to Islam.

I never said that at all. Never have, never will.

In order to defeat ISIS, we have to defeat the phenomenon of radicalisation, particularly among youth. Bullets and bombs won't do that.

 

[Com Fox]

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The Flag is a bit disproportiond.

 

[Dan]

The Flag is a bit disproportiond.

I was about to say that.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

The Flag is a bit disproportiond.

I know. Grabbed it off Wikipedia; might replace it tomorrow.

 

[A2K78]

I never said that at all. Never have, never will.

In order to defeat ISIS, we have to defeat the phenomenon of radicalisation, particularly among youth. Bullets and bombs won't do that.

Or western governments could reject the boneheaded foreign policies that terror organizations use to justify their actions I.e. blind support for Israel, support of middle eastern autocrats and consistent meddling in the middle east...

 

[Com Fox]

Fighting back using violence and weapons will only make it worst and will create a Pendulum Effect until 1 is left standing. The more 1 fights back the more the other will attack.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Or western governments could reject the boneheaded foreign policies that terror organizations use to justify their actions I.e. blind support for Israel, support of middle eastern autocrats and consistent meddling in the middle east...

I was thinking more along the lines of things that those governments can do to at home to counter radicalisation.

 

[Spirit]

All I can say is that my heart goes out to all of the victims, their families, and to the emergency personnel who had to respond to this display of evil. It doesn't mean a whole lot but I will wear the French flag in my avatar for a while out of respect and sympathy for those who unwillingly lost their lives. If you wish to do the same I'll attach the image I'm using below.

 

[Anthony]

Or western governments could reject the boneheaded foreign policies that terror organizations use to justify their actions I.e. blind support for Israel, support of middle eastern autocrats and consistent meddling in the middle east...

They'll just come up with other reasons to attack us, such as us being a decadent society whose way of life needs to be destroyed, for example.

I'm really beginning to think the only way to rid the world of this radical Islamist movement is by completely destroying it as we did with Nazis. Which invariably means exposing ourselves to retaliation; it'll have to hurt before it gets better.

 

[Com Fox]

They'll just come up with other reasons to attack us, such as us being a decadent society whose way of life needs to be destroyed, for example.

I'm really beginning to think the only way to rid the world of this radical Islamist movement is by completely destroying it as we did with Nazis. Which invariably means exposing ourselves to retaliation; it'll have to hurt before it gets better.

If they go out and attack ISIS do the same with much more devastating results as welll as being more frequent. Sure, they might win but more innocent people like we witnessed will be killed in the process probably more than we would think, as now we know that these people are really good at startegizing the attacks.

 

[Anthony]

If they go out and attack ISIS do the same with much more devastating results as welll as being more frequent. Sure, they might win but more innocent people like we witnessed will be killed in the process probably more than we would think, as now we know that these people are really good at startegizing the attacks.

I agree, but what else can we do? Even if we pull every single soldier out of the Middle East and let them deal with their own troubles, we will still be a target. Worse still, we will give free reign to these organisations to grow and expand, to the point where we might be dealing with entire nations' worth of terrorists and madmen wanting to blow all of us up.

Targeting their command uniquely seems like the most sensible option, but that's essentially what we'be been doing for the past 15-20 years, first with Al-Qaeda and now with ISIS. So far it hasn't yielded any concrete results.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

They'll just come up with other reasons to attack us, such as us being a decadent society whose way of life needs to be destroyed, for example.

Their whole model is built on appealing to disaffected youth who feel that Western society has actively tried to marginalise them. ISIL present themselves as creating a state where people are free to worship on their own terms and without being subject to the tyranny imposed upon them by a West that assumes that their way of life is better.

Now, we know that that's not true, but ISIL aren't appealing to us. They're appealing to impressionable young men by offering them what they want. In that way, they're exactly the same as a street gang. So don't look to 1940s Europe for the solution - look to 1990s Los Angeles.

 

[Com Fox]

I agree, but what else can we do? Even if we pull every single soldier out of the Middle East and let them deal with their own troubles, we will still be a target. Worse still, we will give free reign to these organisations to grow and expand, to the point where we might be dealing with entire nations' worth of terrorists and madmen wanting to blow all of us up.

Targeting their command uniquely seems like the most sensible option, but that's essentially what we'be been doing for the past 15-20 years, first with Al-Qaeda and now with ISIS. So far it hasn't yielded any concrete results.

but remember that is only IF they win

Today has proven that ISIS is a very dangerous threat and who knows what their best men are capable of. They might not even have the strength to beat ISIS, and then all those innocent people who died because of their invasion would be all for naught.

 

[Downhill Dino]

War is not without loss of life, that's reality.


Now depending on how one defines this as a war or not is something else, but the point stands.

 

[Rage Racer]

Somehow I had a feeling like, with such immigration policy, something like this was going to happen in Europe sooner or later. The worst thing is, this may be only the beginning.

This is also a message to the Russian "liberals" who were protesting against the Russian operation in Syria, with slogans like "Let's reforge bombs into bikes!". Would they still say that if terrorists came into their home?

The Russians have tasted terrorism. Ironically, Charlie Hebdo chose to mock their losses. Can we now choose to make common cause with Russians? I doubt it.

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One drawing showed a passenger's skull (right), with the caption: 'The dangers of Russian low cost flights'. The second showed the plane's debris falling (left) on an Islamist militant, with the legend: 'The Russian air force is intensifying its air strikes'

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The French magazine featured two cartoons relating to the Metrojet plane, going from Sharm El Sheikh to St Petersburg, which crashed in Sinai on October 31, killing all 224 people on board



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One of the most popular Russian comments about the attacks in Paris is: "What's Charlie Hebdo going to draw now?"

 

[Sanji Himura]

FOX has been reporting that there were only 8 terrorists that engineered the six attacks, seven out of the 8 had been killed by way of suicide vests. Police believe that of the six attacks, four of them have actually been committed by this 8 person cell (Map available on the Washington Post). As of 12:45 AM US Central time, FOX is also reporting that as many as 24 people helped coordinate the attack.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Somehow I had a feeling like, with such immigration policy, something like this was going to happen in Europe sooner or later.

It's easy to blame the immigration policy, but it ignore the real issues that are present. Why do you think France has experienced the majority of these attacks? And not just the ones that happened overnight and the Charlie Hebdo shootings - there's been a handful of lone wolf attacks in recent years, particularly in the south. Contrastingly, there have been almost none in any of the European nations with a more liberal attitude to immigration. How do you explsin that?

One of the issues France has is socio-economic divisions. There are large housing projects on the fringes of major cities that are home to some of the poorest people on France, and which have become a hotbed for radicalisation - particularly among disaffected youth who have been French citizens from birth, but feel that the government and society have ignored the issues that they face.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Their whole model is built on appealing to disaffected youth who feel that Western society has actively tried to marginalise them. ISIL present themselves as creating a state where people are free to worship on their own terms and without being subject to the tyranny imposed upon them by a West that assumes that their way of life is better.

Now, we know that that's not true, but ISIL aren't appealing to us. They're appealing to impressionable young men by offering them what they want. In that way, they're exactly the same as a street gang. So don't look to 1940s Europe for the solution - look to 1990s Los Angeles.

While true, returning jihadi youths are only part of the problem. We're dealing with a group of people (both in and outside of Europe) that want to destroy and kill everything not according to their beliefs. On top of that, they welcome death as martyrdom. When are we going to learn that you can't negotiate with these people? The Israelis know and have know for years, but all they got was backlash from Europe for not being restrained enough. When are we going to learn that you can't negotiate with someone whose very beliefs require you to die? We have been at war for quite some time, but it looks like one side doesn't realize it yet. Instead they focus on an enemy who's not our enemy (Russia) and stare at their bellybuttons, while the streets are being flooded with returning and new jihadis.

EDIT: Guess this is a bit off-topic here, and should be in the IS/Immigration threads, rather than this thread. Mods, feel free to move this if needed.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

On top of that, they welcome death as martyrdom. When are we going to learn that you can't negotiate with these people?

You can't negotiate with them. You can, however, counter them by limiting their ability to recruit new killers to the cause.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Yup, like I said, it's part of the problem/solution.

 

[HKS racer]

Explosions in Paris? Sad news, but I'm definitely not impressed. Only fools with hippy flowers in front of their noses wouldn't see this coming, and Europe is drammatically full of these people. Now is time to wake up.

 

[Com Fox]

Explosions in Paris? Sad news, but I'm definitely not impressed. Only fools with hippy flowers in front of their noses wouldn't see this coming, and Europe is drammatically full of these people. Now is time to wake up.

I have similar feelings on not being impressed (though it could be because I am heavily desensitized) but no one can ever predicted an ISIS terror attack no matter how prepared you are.

 

[RacerPaul]

pretty much anything I could say on this has been said already. all I will add is that I'm not at all surprised

I mean, is anyone on here surprised by this? upset, yes. outraged, yes. but surprised? I doubt it

what does surprise me is that we haven't had such an attack in the UK yet. just a matter of time I suppose

 

[Com Fox]

pretty much anything I could say on this has been said already. all I will add is that I'm not at all surprised

I mean, is anyone on here surprised by this? upset, yes. outraged, yes. but surprised? I doubt it

what does surprise me is that we haven't had such an attack in the UK yet. just a matter of time I suppose

I'm actually the opposite . Though maybe I shouldn't have been surprised.

 

[Grandea GTR]

It's gotten to the point to where there are people blaming the refugees for what is happening.

Just... Why?

 

[Com Fox]

It's gotten to the point to where there are people blaming the refugees for what is happening.

Just... Why?

because in this day of age. Everyone just want something that can't fight back to put the blame on.

 

[HKS racer]

I have similar feelings on not being impressed (though it could be because I am heavily desensitized) but no one can ever predicted an ISIS terror attack no matter how prepared you are.

You cannot predict it? So if you can't what about start reducing the amount of muslims in Europe?

Impossible? I'm against your lovely ideals?

OK.

If you think so,

you MUST also accept

the fact that you could die randomly in a random city of Europe for a terroristic attack organized by some muslim assassins. This is what you get, whole packet, you cannot divide it. You can't have muslims in Europe without the costant threat of terroristic attacks. It doesn' sound good, it doesn't even sound "flowers in your head" but that's the way it is. Like it or not.

I for one DO NOT ACCEPT IT.

Time to wake up people.

I just thank GOD my sister wasn't there in Paris this week but have been the last.

PS this post is not for you but for all those FOOLS that underestimated the problem.