"Standard Car" does not correspond to the interior view.Update read 1st page

[analog]

Though i would enjoy seeing classic car interiors in their all glory while racing and also for automotive history sake. GT5 will be car museum like ISR, i hope PD sometime recreates all 1000 cars with interiors. (automotive industry could even fund this kind of work to preservation of the feeling what is was like to drive pagani zonda F before internal combustion engines were banned)

Most would not even experience a real Pagani outside driving games before the petrol-engine gets banned.

 

[Luminis]

I understand that people were expecting all cars to have interior views, but what I don't understand is why some of you will skip out of driving those 800+ cars just because it doesn't have one? Unless GT5p is your first GT game, you should be at least used to the first or third person view...and we also have the roof cam now too, which I think was in GT4 as well if I'm not mistaken.

Not having cockpits is just very 2005, if you're asking me. Whether GT5 is the first (full) GT game to feature cockpits at all or not doesn't make much of a difference to me.

Finding out that one of my favourite cars (like the Mercedes 2.5-16 Evolution II) is just a standard one feels like a punch in the face; it's like PD telling me that my taste in cars sucks and that one of the cars I like best isn't worth to be anything but a crappy GT4 model (crappy when compared to the premiums and other current-gen racing games, they've been great for their time, yada yada...). Missing out on full visiual damage, interior view and so on and so forth is going to compromise the fun I'm going to get out of driving such a favourite car by quite a lot. I'd rather not have them in the game at all.

Having the standards is better than having nothing, but devoting the time it took to get them into the game to another feature would'be been better, imo.

 

[Spagetti69]

Luminis you raise a good point there. More than likely the cars I'm looking forward too will be standard too.
In the very least a decent hood cam is a must.
I also hope the 800 cars physics are given ad much attention as the premiums.

Seems odd that after all this time, I get the feeling their rushing to get the game out.
Rather than the polishing so many of us assumed PD were doing to get the game spot on.

 

[Luminis]

It's been a while since I've played GT4, but didn't they have a hood cam in that game? Or was it a roof cam? I was using the chasse cam for the most part back in the day, so I don't really know

 

[Spagetti69]

Something I'm not clues up on. Hopefully someone here will know.

 

[RacingFreak2k3]

Not having cockpits is just very 2005, if you're asking me. Whether GT5 is the first (full) GT game to feature cockpits at all or not doesn't make much of a difference to me.

Finding out that one of my favourite cars (like the Mercedes 2.5-16 Evolution II) is just a standard one feels like a punch in the face; it's like PD telling me that my taste in cars sucks and that one of the cars I like best isn't worth to be anything but a crappy GT4 model (crappy when compared to the premiums and other current-gen racing games, they've been great for their time, yada yada...). Missing out on full visiual damage, interior view and so on and so forth is going to compromise the fun I'm going to get out of driving such a favourite car by quite a lot. I'd rather not have them in the game at all.

Having the standards is better than having nothing, but devoting the time it took to get them into the game to another feature would'be been better, imo.

Mm..point taken. I see where you're coming from. I mean I was just as surprised as most people, and understandably so.

I guess I personally don't find it to be as big of an issue, but everyone's priorities are different....I'm kind of a sound junkie and really truly hoping for a nice overhaul for the sounds in the game, whereas another member may not care as much about the sounds...etc. 👍

 

[ralph89]

Most of the time i do not care about cockpits as 1:1 steering animation is missing. Limited steering animation just messes my head especially while drifting.

I think this is starting to be my issue since you kept pointing it out ever since. I don't know how many times you mentioned 1:1 Steering animation request, i hope PD didn't missed all of your post.

 

[WanderingSoul]

Most of the time i do not care about cockpits as 1:1 steering animation is missing. Limited steering animation just messes my head especially while drifting.

I thought I was the only one having issues with that. o_o

For some reason, cockpit seems distracting for just that reason imo. A better view might be something like RaceOn's Action Cam maybe? You see the dash, but the wheel is gone.

 

[Tenacious D]

i hope they add a hood cam, just like the WRX and the Jaguar on GT5 prologue. It's a perfect alternate view on standard cars. Even driving those standard Le man cars on hood view is perfectly fine, and better FOV.

I'd say that roof cam is the best alternative view.

Most would not even experience a real Pagani outside driving games before the petrol-engine gets banned.

Sadly, there are some powerful liberals who want to do that very thing. I wish I could throttle every one of them, especially since their internal combustion limos will still be haunting the roads of the world.

 

[Raitziger]

I think this is starting to be my issue since you kept pointing it out ever since.

Sorry!

 

[gtracedriver]

Not having cockpits is just very 2005, if you're asking me. Whether GT5 is the first (full) GT game to feature cockpits at all or not doesn't make much of a difference to me.

Finding out that one of my favourite cars (like the Mercedes 2.5-16 Evolution II) is just a standard one feels like a punch in the face; it's like PD telling me that my taste in cars sucks and that one of the cars I like best isn't worth to be anything but a crappy GT4 model (crappy when compared to the premiums and other current-gen racing games, they've been great for their time, yada yada...). Missing out on full visiual damage, interior view and so on and so forth is going to compromise the fun I'm going to get out of driving such a favourite car by quite a lot. I'd rather not have them in the game at all.

Having the standards is better than having nothing, but devoting the time it took to get them into the game to another feature would'be been better, imo.

Actually standard cars will look great. GT5 has such a photo-realistic look compared to other racing game. I do not think anyone is going to complain about gfx. In fact that is probably the best part about it

But if standard models do not have cockpit, that will really bad for me as I do not have wheel. Nobody is asking for real-life interior like premium. Even this will do:



In this video the driver animation is really bad lol we need proper driver animation having racing gloves.

 

[analog]

Actually standard cars will look great. GT5 has such a photo-realistic look compared to other racing game that I do not think anyone is going to complain about gfx. In fact that is probably the best part about it

But if standard models do not have cockpit, that will really bad for me as I do not have wheel. Nobody is asking for real-life interior like premium. Even this will do:



In this video the driver animation is really bad lol we need proper driver animation having racing gloves.

Totally agree graphics will probably be fine ( they always were ) it's the lack of cockpit view ( which is a feature depending on the same graphics as the rest of the game, so not a graphical discussion to me at least ).
I'll settle for a single dash view ( maybe including looking left and right ), which even with bad driver animation is better than nothing ( and I don't mean blackframe or generic dashboards btw ).

 

[Luminis]

Actually standard cars will look great. GT5 has such a photo-realistic look compared to other racing game that I do not think anyone is going to complain about gfx. In fact that is probably the best part about it

Cockpit issue completely aside, do you actually believe what you wrote there?
Well, yeah, premium cars will look photorealistic. But, from the footage we've seen so far, the standard models won't. They're not on par with the other racing games out there right now. That's, of course, assuming that the standard cars have not been tremenduously changed from what we've seen so far. And at this point, I'm about to trust my own two eyes and my own two eyes only.

The standard cars may look good for what they are, refurbished stuff from more than five years ago, but if you really think they're great looking (when compared to premiums or GT5's competition), let alone photo realistic, you're either in some major denial or you should get a pair of glasses ASAP.

 

[analog]

Cockpit issue completely aside, do you actually believe what you wrote there?
Well, yeah, premium cars will look photorealistic. But, from the footage we've seen so far, the standard models won't. They're not on par with the other racing games out there right now. That's, of course, assuming that the standard cars have not been tremenduously changed from what we've seen so far. And at this point, I'm about to trust my own two eyes and my own two eyes only.

The standard cars may look good for what they are, refurbished stuff from more than five years ago, but if you really think they're great looking (when compared to premiums or GT5's competition), let alone photo realistic, you're either in some major denial or you should get a pair of glasses ASAP.

I agree the graphical differences regarding the pictures and videos we saw so far between them is obvious ( and unfortunate ).
But this thread mainly concentrates on the possible lack of a cockpit view which to me is a far greater "sacrifice" than the overall exterior appearance.
It seemes a compromise threathening the coherence ( and appearance ) of the game is more or less a given since this whole talk of Premium and Standard began ( and I agree judging on what we've seen so far the difference is greater than I was expecting also ).
I just wish, probably against better judgement, this compromise doesn't further extend to total lack of any kind of cockpit view as well.

 

[gtracedriver]

Cockpit issue completely aside, do you actually believe what you wrote there?
Well, yeah, premium cars will look photorealistic. But, from the footage we've seen so far, the standard models won't. They're not on par with the other racing games out there right now. That's, of course, assuming that the standard cars have not been tremenduously changed from what we've seen so far. And at this point, I'm about to trust my own two eyes and my own two eyes only.

The standard cars may look good for what they are, refurbished stuff from more than five years ago, but if you really think they're great looking (when compared to premiums or GT5's competition), let alone photo realistic, you're either in some major denial or you should get a pair of glasses ASAP.

GT5 lightning model is simply awesome. That is one of the best thing about it apart from car models None of the preview have any concerns regarding the standard models and I do not think it will be problem in release either.

Overall it will looks really good. PS2 was never capable of handling the shaders, lightning model that PS3 can do. Everything will look so clean, crisp. Even if we assume the quality is going to be same as that trailer ?

 

[ralph89]

Sorry!

No problem

 

[Devedander]

And so it's settled... and not at all in the way we wanted....

I am sorry, say what you want about time constraints and how great the overall game will be, GT5 is just half a** in my eyes... this really shoulda been GT5.5 and what we will inevitably see as GT6 will almost certainly be mostly be this foundation fully fleshed out...

I think KY and PD and making some bad long term missteps here in planning and implimentation.

 

[mykem]

And so it's settled... and not at all in the way we wanted....

I am sorry, say what you want about time constraints and how great the overall game will be, GT5 is just half a** in my eyes... this really shoulda been GT5.5 and what we will inevitably see as GT6 will almost certainly be mostly be this foundation fully fleshed out...

I think KY and PD and making some bad long term missteps here in planning and implimentation.

It's vehicle interior camera views with the emphasis on the plural in view which to me clearly means the recently introduced multiple angled interior camera shots- the first time I saw it was in the press-only Indianapolis TT demo. This feature wasn't available in GT5 Prologue which by the way refer to cockpit view as the all-new interior dash view. I'm willing to bet that this has no bearing as to whether we'll get "interior dash view" on all cars.

Mimaximax has a few good example on his Youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/mimaximax

But here's a few example of the interior camera views:

 

[JDMKING13]

It's vehicle interior camera views with the emphasis on the plural in view which to me clearly means the recently introduced multiple angled interior camera shots- the first time I saw it was in the press-only Indianapolis TT demo. This feature wasn't available in GT5 Prologue which by the way refer to cockpit view as the all-new interior dash view. I'm willing to bet that this has no bearing as to whether we'll get "interior dash view" on all cars.

Mimaximax has a few good example on his Youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/mimaximax

But here's a few example of the interior camera views:

I said the same thing but then was labeled as desperate I will stick with this theory until i see video evidence myself 👍

 

[Devedander]

I said the same thing but then was labeled as desperate I will stick with this theory until i see video evidence myself 👍

Could just as easily (and I feel more likely) mean that neither will be available as in there is no option to have any camera view inside the standard cars for any purpose, driving, photomode or just looking around.

Honestly I think PD is just doing damage control over what it knows is a stats grab (to say 1000 cars) and doesn't want you seeing the crappy inside of the standard cars at all because of how starkly bad it will look compared to the premiums...

 

[analog]

It's vehicle interior camera views with the emphasis on the plural in view which to me clearly means the recently introduced multiple angled interior camera shots- the first time I saw it was in the press-only Indianapolis TT demo. This feature wasn't available in GT5 Prologue which by the way refer to cockpit view as the all-new interior dash view. I'm willing to bet that this has no bearing as to whether we'll get "interior dash view" on all cars.

As much as I hope you're right, as this possibility also crossed my mind, but I'm afraid the use of views instead of view can also refer quite easily to different cars.

 

[Akira AC]

I said the same thing but then was labeled as desperate I will stick with this theory until i see video evidence myself 👍

yeah until not seeing not believing,prepared for the worst, although is not actually that worst because we finally got another feature that I haven't count before for premium cars,interiors photomode and that says quite a lot of what the engine can do and what the PS3 can handle.

I have to say that if there is no cockpit on standard cars they should say it in clear English or Japanese because they took the plural(interior views)and people speculated of it,what intrigues me is that they don't say cockpit view and that is not enough clear to make a judgement.

So far I trying to find the pre order edition here but no luck,maybe in July will be available with the launch date,still waiting but Sony should drop this marketing strategy and tell us at once if there is going to be cockpits.

 

[JDMKING13]

yeah until not seeing not believing,prepared for the worst, although is not actually that worst because we finally got another feature that I haven't count before for premium cars,interiors photomode and that says quite a lot of what the engine can do and what the PS3 can handle.

I have to say that if there is no cockpit on standard cars they should say it in clear English or Japanese because they took the plural(interior views)and people speculated of it,what intrigues me is that they don't say cockpit view and that is not enough clear to make a judgement.

So far I trying to find the pre order edition here but no luck,maybe in July will be available with the launch date,still waiting but Sony should drop this marketing strategy and tell us at once if there is going to be cockpits.

Thats what I'm talking about, also its not like they never used the word before cockpit/interior dash view. Why cant they just be clear i still think we will get a cockpit view i mean GT PSP had something for cockpit view even though it was blacked out.

 

[gtracedriver]

And so it's settled... and not at all in the way we wanted....

I am sorry, say what you want about time constraints and how great the overall game will be, GT5 is just half a** in my eyes... this really shoulda been GT5.5 and what we will inevitably see as GT6 will almost certainly be mostly be this foundation fully fleshed out...

I think KY and PD and making some bad long term missteps here in planning and implimentation.

That is their interpretation of:

“Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.”

They may be right or wrong. They do not know anything new.

 

[JDMKING13]

That is their interpretation of:

“Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.”

They may be right or wrong. They do not know anything new.

Exactly when the other writers said their was going to be cockpit view everyone said they have no credit i want it confirmed from PD, This guy writes a article of the “Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.” and now its 100% true like you said in the end we will have to wait for better info.

 

[McLaren]

You people are hilarious, believing that the plural form of view means no replay views in the cockpit, ignoring the fact that the cockpit being shown whilst racing is a view itself.


There is no cockpit view in GT5 for standard cars. People are just setting yourself for more crying in the future when the game's released.

Exactly when the other writers said their was going to be cockpit view everyone said they have no credit i want it confirmed from PD, This guy writes a article of the “Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.” and now its 100% true like you said in the end we will have to wait for better info.

How about going on the official website, genius? It says there, too.
http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html

 

[eSZee]

That is their interpretation of:

“Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.”

They may be right or wrong. They do not know anything new.

LOL. The site just interprets the statement from the sony site that we have been discussing here for days and it becomes official?
I'm not saying cockpit cam view is in, it's not people get over it, I'm saying that some of you are so easily persuaded by anything and everything.

 

[JDMKING13]

You people are hilarious, believing that the plural form of view means no replay views in the cockpit, ignoring the fact that the cockpit being shown whilst racing is a view itself.


There is no cockpit view in GT5 for standard cars. People are just setting yourself for more crying in the future when the game's released.

How about going on the official website, genius? It says there, too.
http://us.gran-turismo.com/us/news/d5247.html

Please chill nobody is going to cry we are just debating, they could easily said no interior dash or cockpit but did not choose to so we are just having debates about the topic. In the end if they don't have cockpit for standard cars It still we be the best game on any console so I'm very happy about GT5.



Duhhhh thats what i said smart man he got the quote from the site and wrote an article about it... so that makes it true? your funny

Go play Forza3

 

[SrRd RacinG]

I bet GT6 will have cockpits for standard cars. Not premium quality, but at least more than generic. Well, that's my opinion, at least.

Will be interesting to see how many of the 800+ standard cars in GT5 will make the GT6 cut.

 

[McLaren]

Please chill nobody is going to cry we are just debating, they could easily said no interior dash or cockpit but did not choose to so we are just having debates about the topic. In the end if they don't have cockpit for standard cars It still we be the best game on any console so I'm very happy about GT5.

Um, no, a lot of people are going to cry in November.

They also said there won't be cockpit view back when it was translated from KY & everybody blamed it on the translation. Then you all cried b/c you set yourself up for the hype believing translator-guy to be wrong.

Now that they've come out in plain English that cockpit view won't be in standard cars, you guys twist the words around so you think it means any view besides the racing one or that cockpit & interior are 2 completely different terms. All you're doing now is doing what you did months ago, going, "I'm NOT LISTENING!", so when the winter rolls around, you people can come back with a bunch of thread topics going, "OMG WTF, no cockpit views!"

Simple fact is, there won't be an interior view on standard cars, not unless they do some crummy outline of them.

Duhhhh thats what i said smart man he got the quote from the site and wrote an article about it... so that makes it true? your funny

Then work on your sentence structure b/c it looks like you're asking for it to be confirmed.

Go play Forza3

At least it's out.

Let's use some brain power to think of a better response next time.