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[Organ-Donor]

The '96 and '97 GTS had the blue with white stripes, and then they brought it back again: The Viper SRT-10 Coupe was introduced at the 2005 Detroit Auto Show as a 2006 model. It shares many of its body panels with the convertible, but takes its side and rear styling from the Competition Coupe. The coupe looks much like the previous Viper GTS and retains the "double-bubble" roof shape of the original along with the original GTS's tail lights, as well as offering the original GTS Blue with white stripes paint scheme on the initial run of First Edition cars like the original Viper coupe. I agree, they never should of dropped that color option.

 

[Luminis]

Ok so in the other thread about standard vs premium, Im making a point about the castrol supra from 95 or 96 in gt5 and the 787B, are they premium cars? If they are and they are from GT1 or GT3 than it makes sense that the standard cars which are cars from previous installments aren't just 'ported'.

Just because a car was in a previous GT doesn't mean it's standard. It's the other way around: If a car is included as a standard, it has been (according to Kazunori himself) been carried over from a previous GT. The Castrol Supra is not a refurbished model you're seeing, it's been newly created from scratch and, thus, has no connection to the standard cars, to the previous GTs or the models used in those games. Not all old cars that appeared so far are ported, but all ported cars are old, so to speak.

Think of the models like cars for a moment and assume they come with a car serial number.

There is, for example, the Camaro SS. A standard car that has been brought over from past GTs. Now, let's assume it's GT4 model had a serial number; let's say that serial number is "GT4-CSS'. Now, the model of the Camaro SS that appears in GT5 as a standard car is still the same model, with the same serial number. It's still the very same model "GT4-CSS". Much like a classic car that has been refurbished.

Now, for the Castrol Supra, let's say the GT4 model had the serial number "GT4-CS". The model that's being used for the premium Castrol Supra in GT5 goes byy the serial number of "GT5-CS". In this case, it's like a different car. Instead of refurbishing an old one, a new one (with a different serial number) was used.

The Supra is just another premium car. It has no connection to the quality of the standard cars whatsoever.

 

[toyota_gt1]

Why did Dodge get rid of the blue/white stripes? I have despised every GT since GT1 because of the lack of that color option and don't drive the Viper as much as I did in GT1 because of that . Hopefully we can at least have a custom color option in GT5.

Yeah same here. Have you noticed there is a blue/white stripes GTS racing a Mustang at Grand Valley on the back of the GT2 case?

Even though it isn't a factory color, how hard could it be for PD to make a classic blue/white stripes design and put it in the color selection.

 

[eSZee]

Even though it isn't a factory color, how hard could it be for PD to make a classic blue/white stripes design and put it in the color selection.

It would be easy. however, not sure Dodge would be too happy. It would have to be sold as a GT concept Viper most likely.

 

[kingcars]

Yeah I remember the pic on the back of the case. I was disappointed once I got ingame .

 

[Peter]

Why do you all always think that any car that seems to have the smallest bit of interior modeling in previous GT games will be premium? I saw you guys looking at old concept pictures of GTHD and calling this "premium" and that "standard" because one's windshield was a bi brighter than the other. You all don't think things can change in 4 years?

Or that every car in GT5 will be premium? Even some stuff like the Suzuki Cappuchino?

 

[eSZee]

Or that every car in GT5 will be premium? Even some stuff like the Suzuki Cappuchino?

Uhm, yes?
Are you one of those people who assume $$$$$$=PREMIUM?
Premium cars will have a variety of cars just like previous GT games. It would be stupid to have 200 premium cars that are just high end vehicles.

 

[Dapper]

The tuned Cappuccino is one of the best cars in GT5P. Not to mention you can look around the cockpit, or whatever it is, in almost every car in that game.

 

[Goshin2568]

???
By best do you mean the Top 75.... Cuz I can think of at least 25 cars in GT5P better then the tuned cappachino.

 

[JDMKING13]

???
By best do you mean the Top 75.... Cuz I can think of at least 25 cars in GT5P better then the tuned cappachino.

He means just driving wise, it is a great car to drive and hit the track hard. I agree with him one of my favorite cars in GT5P.

 

[Goshin2568]

ok. Fair enough.

 

[ralph89]

I'm no computer genius, but can they just copy paste the polygon if it's the same car with small different details?

 

[Goshin2568]

In what context? In order to do what?

 

[kingcars]

Why do you all always think that any car that seems to have the smallest bit of interior modeling in previous GT games will be premium?

Because the standards do not have modeled interiors; they're GT4/GTPSP ports. So if you can see the modeled interior, it's not a standard.

Or that every car in GT5 will be premium? Even some stuff like the Suzuki Cappuchino?

So are you trying to say that PD would throw away the models from GT5P and just use the GT4/GTPSP model instead? Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day, thanks for the laugh.

 

[gtracedriver]

Because the standards do not have modeled interiors; they're GT4/GTPSP ports. So if you can see the modeled interior, it's not a standard.


So are you trying to say that PD would throw away the models from GT5P and just use the GT4/GTPSP model instead? Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day, thanks for the laugh.

Port is not the right word it is more like carried over or using the assets of previous game but I am not sure every non hardtop will be premium with full interiors

 

[kingcars]

Port is not the right word it is more like carried over or using the assets of previous game but I am not sure every non hardtop will be premium with full interiors

It has been stated that nobody is sure what is going on with GT4's convertibles' interiors so we can't confirm either way. As of now, no standards have interiors; the convertibles might be the exception. But we have not seen any screenshots of those cars in GT5 yet. Not to mention that it would still be easy to tell the difference by looking at other things.

 

[gtracedriver]

That is why I think we may get standard with some cockpit view. If all convertible and non hardtop are premium with good interior I am not complaining at all. That is obviously good thing

 

[freshseth83]

It still isn't clear if standards don't have interiors. The site says no interior camera view. It doesn't say, no modeled interior. I'm sure we can debate this till GT5 hits, but I think within a month and another game show we'll be better informed. I'm not so concerned with cockpits, i drive bumper view anyway. If it's there that's great, if not it won't bother me. I'm gonna play with the cars i want to, regardless if they're premium or standard. I'm thinking there is more to the differences, maybe special upgrades.

 

[gtracedriver]

Well obviously standard cars will not have much interior modeled that is the reason they said "do not support interior camera views" If it was modeled then they will like to show it. I have posted this video some where before also. But since we are talking about non hardtop. I am just wondering whether these will be premium cars ? If not, they should still have cockpit view

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Just speaking for myself, but I would rather they don't offer an interior view on Standard convertibles (if we get the tops down). Look at that interior... *shudder*.

Any Premiums that may be convertibles, I'm sure they'll look great, though.

 

[analog]

Funny how people assume Standard convertibles may have cockpit view due to their visible modelled interiors.
I clearly remember playing them in GT4 without cockpit view being available and since it's becoming the consensus for now the Standard cars are probably having the same viewpoint options as GT4 it isn't really automatically logical to assume because an interior is visible it will have cockpit view.
Sure the interior is modelled but to me it's technically part of the exterior of those convertibles whilst playing.
Don't get me wrong, I would love cockpit view on every single car but if those convertibles are Standard ( and Standard car possibly not offering cockpit view ) the only viewpoints available are most likely the same as the cars which are closed ( which may also have a rudimentary interior just not fully visible ).

 

[acceleracer]

I think its really bad that polyphony confirmed finally today that ONLY premium Cars will have a cocpitview :S

 

[Akira AC]

I think its really bad that polyphony confirmed finally today that ONLY premium Cars will have a cocpitview :S

link?

 

[Devedander]

It still isn't clear if standards don't have interiors. The site says no interior camera view. It doesn't say, no modeled interior.

Seriously? It's been on the list from over a year ago that one of the bullet points for premiums was fully modeled interiors.

I don't know why you keep popping in to say stuff like you know when you don't... first your whole nonsense argument about standards and premiums and now this... seriously it's ok to be behind on the info a bit or not know all the details, but don't post like it's not that way, it just adds confusion and frustration to the conversations.

 

[gtracedriver]

Funny how people assume Standard convertibles may have cockpit view due to their visible modelled interiors.
I clearly remember playing them in GT4 without cockpit view being available and since it's becoming the consensus for now the Standard cars are probably having the same viewpoint options as GT4 it isn't really automatically logical to assume because an interior is visible it will have cockpit view.
Sure the interior is modelled but to me it's technically part of the exterior of those convertibles whilst playing.
Don't get me wrong, I would love cockpit view on every single car but if those convertibles are Standard ( and Standard car possibly not offering cockpit view ) the only viewpoints available are most likely the same as the cars which are closed ( which may also have a rudimentary interior just not fully visible ).

That was probably because cockpit view on PS2 during that time was not possible. During the replay or third person, chase view, whatever it is called. They had to model it otherwise it would look stupid. Even in that video everything looks so low res. If they already have those assets they just need to add the view with steering wheel.

 

[analog]

That was probably because cockpit view on PS2 during that time was not possible. During the replay or third person, chase view, whatever it is called. They had to model it otherwise it would look stupid. Even in that video everything looks so low res. If they already have those assets they just need to add the view with steering wheel.

Agreed that the PS2 made it impossible but still I think a cockpit view on those convertible Standard cars is as likely as cockpit view on the cars which have a fixed roof ( equal chances I mean ).
Those visible interiors on the open top cars in GT4 are I think technically part of the exterior ( in the game I mean ofcourse ).
And a completely modelled interior view/cockpitview should be seen as separate from those elements which can be seen from the exterior of the car model.
If Standards don't have cockpit view the interiors of those convertible Standard cars can still be seen whilst driving using chase cam in the same way GT4 did.

 

[gtracedriver]

Who knows ??? But I do not see what difficulties they will have to have cockpit view in these cars

Here is better example of interior in GT4.


GT5 premium will have this instead:

 

[G.T.Ace]

You couldn't use it for a cockpit view though, the textures are extremely blurry up-close and the instruments aren't animated.

 

[analog]

Who knows ??? But I do not see what difficulties they will have to have cockpit view in these cars

Because it's not the same thing, although at a distance it may appear that way but you'll have to imagine that Honda S600 interior having the same level of detailing as that GT5 clip ( which it obviously hasn't got in that GT4 clip where it's technically just part of the exterior ).

You couldn't use it for a cockpit view though, the textures are extremely blurry up-close and the instruments aren't animated.

Yes, it looked impressive when playing GT4 but the instruments are indeed not working, textures are outdated, and besides all that they have model it again anyway to include cockpit view ( which is a different feature seperate from the exterior or visible interior model seen using chase cam ).

 

[kingcars]

Correct, in most games that I know of, the cockpit view is a completely separate model from the interior that you see from outside the car, because they cannot include the necessary details in the full car model like animated gauges and such. Though maybe as technology advances, they will be able to just simply move the camera position instead of having to show a whole different model.

I don't see any standard cars having a cockpit view, but it's definitely possible (and probable) that we'll be able to drive the convertibles with the top down in full races.