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Sorry but this is the first time I'm hearing this. So you are saying they would actually wait until they have 1000 premiums, and then release the game, even if it took more than 10 years? Sorry but that sounds ridiculous to me.
Standard cars in GT6?
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Sorry but this is the first time I'm hearing this. So you are saying they would actually wait until they have 1000 premiums, and then release the game, even if it took more than 10 years? Sorry but that sounds ridiculous to me.
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I heard a lot of things about GT5's development but never this. Since it's such common knowledge, it should be easy for you to find proof that this was said.
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A Google search (not that any of us should be having to do this, burden of proof is on gamerdog) is not turning up anything about how PD wanted to spend 10 years making a game.
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He gets a bit confused with thread topics and such.
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That just isn't correct. They fit in however many they can, only this time they could only fit in 1/4 of the number of cars (Premiums) as there were in GT4. GT2 had how many cars? Then GT3?
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The argument can be made though that there are plenty of really amazing, historic cars in the standard list, that really should be premiums. If GT6 has rally for example, I would really like to see some of those rally cars be upgraded to premiums. The same goes for the Le Mans Group-C race cars.
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Yes I agree with you there. Ideally Polyphony Digital is able to find a balance between the two. There's also always DLC, i'm not sure what PD's plans are for that if they want to do DLC at all for GT6.
They've got to blow the whistle eventually and allow the game to 'go gold' and start being produced and copied for sale. That doesn't mean PD has to stop working. They can keep going after that point, and release their work as DLC.
That's probably how DLC originated. Developers were working on some extra stuff after the game was being copied, and still wanted to offer it to players.
Nowadays though, it's clear that some work is just being held back by developers for a price, with the advent of 'locked DLC' that's already present on the disc.
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The major advantage forza had over gran turismo is that forza didn't have "standard" cars. So if they hope for people to take them seriously, pd must not have any standard cars. The standard cars need to be made premium. Dodge charger anyone? I was so unhappy.
If PD is gonna put standard cars on GT6, it better mean un-RMable. I won't complain if they're still in GT6 though, there's GRID 2, DiRT4 and F1 2012 to keep me busy this year 
Although come to think of it, GT has all those 3 games combined, but with less content for each.
Although come to think of it, GT has all those 3 games combined, but with less content for each.
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If PD is gonna put standard cars on GT6, it better mean un-RMable. I won't complain if they're still in GT6 though, there's GRID 2, DiRT4 and F1 2012 to keep me busy this year
Although come to think of it, GT has all those 3 games combined, but with less content for each.
You like GT5, we all do...but still we complain and with plenty of good reasons.
But then when i see comments with Grid 2...Dirt 4...F1 2012...ARCADE racing games...yes they are fun but almost nothing to do with GT5 which...despite not being the best simulator because of many failures with physics, sounds and some "minor" details (technical)...still is a simulator...you can´t "go back" to arcade games if you like simulators.
I must say to you that it is time to buy a PC and you´ll find racing games/simulators (yet you´ll find those arcade for less money at release) that will fill that little disappointment that GT5 left to you and others.
You are not going to see better graphics on those sims...well in some yes and in the upcoming ones probably better than GT5 (Assetto Corsa...pCARS needs to prove that it will be one of those...) but in what it is important for a simulator you will be tons of times compensated.
That´s why i play all...i complain about GT but with hopes of making GT series being one of the bests racing games/simulator for the future and for us.
But play more...expand your mind...use a PC...consoles are not the end of the world you know.
Disclaimer: tired of people moving into games that are fun but just it...i went to GT to better simulators (rFactor, rFactor 2, GTR2, Race07/GTR Evolution, GTL, Ferrari Virtual Academy...etc...my list of games is huge and yes i have all Dirt 1, 2 and 3, Grid, F1 2010, tried F1 2011 and was awful as a sim lover point of view, and i even have NFS Shift but that game made me not buy Shift 2 for example...)
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I am so tired to read people make it sound like standard cars in GT5 is the standard for the GT series...
Standard cars are not the standard for PD. (Just because PD went that route with GT5, doesn't mean another game is better, Turn 10 certainly has made more than 1 concession..., just because you dont see it doesnt mean it's not there, at least PD was trying to be as transparent as possible without taking away too much of our playability with DLC.)
Standard cars are just an exception in PD's work
it was a short cut decision made to help fulfill Kaz's vision for GT5.
His vision was to have +1000 cars in the premium standard.
it was supposed to be all at the same level of quality.
In his mind, and of course he wanted us to enjoy GT5 all in HD quality...
it was never supposed to be 2 standards of quality...
But time was pressing, the whole GTPlanet was about to crash and implode if PD was releasing the game later than 2011.
So Kaz had to take an executive decision.... and so the two standards existed by default of time's sake...
Hopefully for GT6, Kaz will have all those +1000 and some more put into HD quality.
respectfully yours,
PS: if GT6 still have the same S/P separation, it would mean that it just takes that long to design cars despite their efforts during this past few years and upcoming 2 years too...
Hey... the Pyramids didn't get to be built overnight...
But if you were to expect operationability so soon, expect some sort of compromise
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CTznOfTimeI am so tired to read people make it sound like standard cars in GT5 is the standard for the GT series...
Standard cars are not the standard for PD.
Standard cars are just an exception in PD's work
it was a short cut decision made to help fulfill Kaz's vision for GT5.
His vision was to have +1000 cars in the premium standard.
it was supposed to be all at the same level of quality.
In his mind, and of course he wanted us to enjoy GT5 all in HD quality...
it was never supposed to be standards of quality...
But time was pressing, the whole GTPlanet was about to crash and implode if PD was releasing the game later than 2011.
So Kaz had to take an executive decision.... and so the two standards existed by default of time's sake...
Hopefully for GT6, Kaz will have all those +1000 and some more put into HD quality.
respectfully yours,
PS: if GT6 still have the same S/P separation, it would mean that it just takes that long to design cars despite their efforts during this past few years and upcoming 2 years too...
Hey... the Pyramids didn't get to be built overnight...
But if you were to expect operationability so soon, expect some sort of compromise
Of course they will take it that way most of the cars are standard which would reflect how people see it.
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Just so you know, you're not alone. 👍I am so tired to read people make it sound like standard cars in GT5 is the standard for the GT series...
Standard cars are not the standard for PD. (Just because PD went that route, doesn't mean another game is better, Turn 10 certainly has made more than 1 concession..., just because you dont see it doesnt mean it's not there, at least PD was trying to be as transparent as possible without taking away too much of our playability with DLC.)
Standard cars are just an exception in PD's work
.........
respectfully yours,
PS: if GT6 still have the same S/P separation, it would mean that it just takes that long to design cars despite their efforts during this past few years and upcoming 2 years too...
Hey... the Pyramids didn't get to be built overnight...
But if you were to expect operationability so soon, expect some sort of compromise
I don't expect +1,000 PD standard cars, although I would think there'd be around 700 of them though.
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The issue is that Standards represent a vast majority of the game's car lineup, and that they were largely ported over with no changes from a last-gen title, some of the models being 10 years old at the time of GT5's launch.
It reeked of a) laziness, and b) poor management. The first, I shouldn't have to explain. The second: it's been brought up many times over the last few years (basically, since we first knew what exactly "Standards" entailed) - it's not like there were only two options for PD for car models: PS2-ports or six-months-per-car Premiums. I'd be interested to see what PD's modellers could achieve if given a hard 3 months maximum, for example. At some point, you do run into the issue of diminishing returns.
On the other hand, the Premiums we do currently have can arguably be used for quite a long time in the future, so perhaps PD was thinking more long-term. But to be honest, I can't imagine any other game being defended so much if it relied on re-using decade-old resources for a massive portion of its new, incredibly long-development title...
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You actually might have to explain the laziness thing; I'm not saying there was nothing else they could have done, but it seems you're forgetting to factor in potential timeline issues. As such, for me, it all boils down to "management"; things being the way they are with not enough time to correct it (yeah, yeah, five years; they weren't working on GT5 proper for all of that - GT:HD was clearly a serious deal at some point, but that obviously changed).
It also raises the issue of what else they could have done with the time they spent on the Standards - it's not likely they chose that route just so they could sit on their hands for a few hours a day.
I'd also like to know how you think they could have halved the development time for the cars. I personally think it's a pretty smart move to have played the long game the way they have (assuming it actually pans out this time). Compromises, I guess.
I imagine that if those hypothetical games did re-use old content, and that produced a worthwhile experience for a significant number of its players, it might well be "defended" in a similar manner (as well as "attacked", naturally.)
Are you kidding? As transparent as possible? We didn't know the full details on standard cars right until before release and even then there were still unknowns we didn't find out until we put the disc in like not being able to change rims originally. PD were anything but transparent when it came to the standard cars.
Do you have any citation for a lot of this? When did Kaz tell you what his vision was? Plus including the standards wasn't the default option, they could have just included the 200 premium cars.
No it would just mean that PD are inefficient at building cars. For example the small team working on pCARS finishes a car in 3 man months, half the time PD do and they put much more attention into the underneath of cars. PD don't even model the inside of wheels....
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+1000. I'm rasing up the flags, saying "NO MORE STANDARD CARS PD!!!" Written in capitle letters. Who even wants standard cars to stay I ask?
I agree too. I just don't ever want to see standard cars again. I don't even care if it has my favorite cars in it, I just don't want them in GT again. If it continues again, than that's just showing how non serious PD is.
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While I didn't have too much against the standards in GT5 the time has come to leave them to history, pick a selection of the most historically important and premium them, the mini 98, veyron etc.
Seriously hoping that PD massively bumped up the staff numbers of modellers etc, when the credits rolled in GT5 there was what 4 or 5 dedicated modellers? Not quite enough me thinks. There were also quite a few missed opportunities of more premium cars based on existing models, take for instance the McLaren range-
Mp4-12c
McLaren f1 (even with its broken gearing)
The 12c racer shares a significant portion of the same body and would be awesome addition. The F1 GTR and long tail lemans again share a lot of the same bits and would be fantastic inclusions. A couple of the classic McLaren can-am racers etc would be great as well but I wouldn't want to take too many resources away from modelling every R35 ever sold.
Iam by no means implying that making another car based mostly on another is a easy 5 min job but surely it should take less time then a whole new one.
Seriously hoping that PD massively bumped up the staff numbers of modellers etc, when the credits rolled in GT5 there was what 4 or 5 dedicated modellers? Not quite enough me thinks. There were also quite a few missed opportunities of more premium cars based on existing models, take for instance the McLaren range-
Mp4-12c
McLaren f1 (even with its broken gearing)
The 12c racer shares a significant portion of the same body and would be awesome addition. The F1 GTR and long tail lemans again share a lot of the same bits and would be fantastic inclusions. A couple of the classic McLaren can-am racers etc would be great as well but I wouldn't want to take too many resources away from modelling every R35 ever sold.
Iam by no means implying that making another car based mostly on another is a easy 5 min job but surely it should take less time then a whole new one.
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And yes, I'm actually extremely thankful that we not only have the premiums.
I don't really care about graphics, you know.
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If GT6 is on the PS3 there will be with out a doubt standard cars the game would be wayyy too big and the PS3 might not be able to handle it on top of the game probably wont come out for like 10 years
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