The 2018 F1 driver transfer discussion/speculation threadFormula 1

[Jimlaad43]

Hamilton commits to 2 more years at Mercedes with a new contract
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-new-contract-1061352/

 

[mustafur]

Well that ends that, Ricciardo will very likely sign a new contract with Redbull now.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Hamilton commits to 2 more years at Mercedes with a new contract
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-mercedes-new-contract-1061352/

Hey would you look at that, all the speculation seemed so likely that he'd be touring for concerts in 8 months time. Dang guess all the personal interviews with reporters and other team reps talking of Lewis staying in F1 and the idea of trying to eclipse Schumi's record wasn't conjecture.

 

[mustafur]

Hey would you look at that, all the speculation seemed so likely that he'd be touring for concerts in 8 months time. Dang guess all the personal interviews with reporters and other team reps talking of Lewis staying in F1 and the idea of trying to eclipse Schumi's record wasn't conjecture.

No need to be snide about it, don't take offence to people having an opinion on a possibility.

 

[twitcher]

Hey would you look at that, all the speculation seemed so likely that he'd be touring for concerts in 8 months time. Dang guess all the personal interviews with reporters and other team reps talking of Lewis staying in F1 and the idea of trying to eclipse Schumi's record wasn't conjecture.

Do you want a cookie?

 

[adb]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stroll-linked-force-india-move-williams-1061540/
Good, maybe getting annihilated by either Ocon, Perez or even Russell in his rookie year is what’s needed for him to be ousted from F1

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Do you want a cookie?

Sure if your offering.

No need to be snide about it, don't take offence to people having an opinion on a possibility.

Having an opinion is fine, but if you base it on conjecture rather than facts, insight and other helpful logic, you should have it deconstructed and be given that reality that you're not always entitled to a bad opinion.

 

[McLaren]

Don't see where one might think he would leave, personally. Of the last 4 years, he has 3 of the championships with Mercedes and has been their #1 driver (tmk). He's got a strong car and a solid top 3 manufacturers' spot.

Team-wise, haven't read much into his relationship with them beyond the days of him & Nico's infighting, but he still thanks the team on social media after his races (& they appear to acknowledge faults of their own on the team radio). As with Lewis having one of the better cars at his disposal, Mercedes has a return investment in one of the better drivers they grabbed from McLaren who has so far, been a great replacement putting the team on an aforementioned 3-of-4 straight championships & one 2nd-place finish for the manufacturer title with their first year together, all following Michael's retirement.

Even with some turmoil about Lewis' interaction with other drivers/social media, the relationship with the team & him still seems far too beneficial for each other to break up right now just because Ferrari & Red Bull are legitimate threats once again.

 

[twitcher]

Sure if your offering.





Having an opinion is fine, but if you base it on conjecture rather than facts, insight and other helpful logic, you should have it deconstructed and be given that reality that you're not always entitled to a bad opinion.

Reading your posts, I get the feeling you take people's musing about his possible retirement too seriously. I didn’t think it was a serious possibility, but it’s still fun to talk about “what ifs”.

And now you seem to taking a sort of, “see, I told you so, look at how right I was” attitude, to which the only appropriate response is

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Reading your posts, I get the feeling you take people's musing about his possible retirement too seriously. I didn’t think it was a serious possibility, but it’s still fun to talk about “what ifs”.

And now you seem to taking a sort of, “see, I told you so, look at how right I was” attitude, to which the only appropriate response is

First off I get the feeling you're insecure and think posts not directed at you are predominantly about you. Considering more than a few people "mused" the same thought, it's safe to say it's a general comment and not any one specific person. It's even more safe to say this, since the creator of the comment is telling you that was the intent.

Eye roll all you want, people come here to equally gain info that they may miss, not have the time to gather in a lengthy article, and so on. So why not actually gear content toward realistic and logical info? Wish lists are fine, but when people ask what ifs and then press for why people don't think those what ifs will happen, it seems less like a what if and more like a want/desire.

 

[twitcher]

First off I get the feeling you're insecure and think posts not directed at you are predominantly about you. Considering more than a few people "mused" the same thought, it's safe to say it's a general comment and not any one specific person. It's even more safe to say this, since the creator of the comment is telling you that was the intent.

Eye roll all you want, people come here to equally gain info that they may miss, not have the time to gather in a lengthy article, and so on. So why not actually gear content toward realistic and logical info? Wish lists are fine, but when people ask what ifs and then press for why people don't think those what ifs will happen, it seems less like a what if and more like a want/desire.

Haha, I’m insecure...ok Dr Phil.

I know I wasn’t the only one to muse about it, however I don’t like to speak for other people, which is why I only made reference to what I personally said.

And now you’re onto the classic, “well this is what I think the content of GTP should be, thinking otherwise is just silly”

News flash, I’m not here to “gear content” toward anyone

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Haha, I’m insecure...ok Dr Phil.

I know I wasn’t the only one to muse about it, however I don’t like to speak for other people, which is why I only made reference to what I personally said.

And now your onto the classic, “well this is what I think the content of GTP should be, thinking otherwise is just silly”

News flash, I’m not hear to “gear content” toward anyone

Great, still a general comment.

I never said what the content of GTP should be, or what I want it to be. I'm giving my view on any place information can be gained. If you're here to spout off trite then it will continue to get the response it has. Now if you want to keep having personal battles and derail the thread to press your personal feelings or whatever, pm me, ignore me whatever.

 

[twitcher]

Great, still a general comment.

I never said what the content of GTP should be, or what I want it to be. I'm giving my view on any place information can be gained. If you're here to spout off trite then it will continue to get the response it has. Now if you want to keep having personal battles and derail the thread to press your personal feelings or whatever, pm me, ignore me whatever.

You and Jim seem to be the only ones who get upset over my “trite”. Everyone else seems to be perfectly fine for taking it for what it is, and either having a go themselves, or just letting it go.

You also said, “why not gear content yada yada yada”. “Why not” implies, “this is how I think it ought to be.” 👍



In other news, Vettel seems to be quite cool on the idea of LeClerc joining Ferrari next year.


Is it a love of the harmonious relationship with Kimi, or a fear of LeClerc that could motivate these statements? Or is he genuine when he says he’s indifferent?

Discuss....but go easy on the trite.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You and Jim seem to be the only ones who get upset over my “trite”. Everyone else seems to be perfectly fine for taking it for what it is, and either having a go themselves, or just letting it go.

You also said, “why not gear content yada yada yada”. “Why not” implies, “this is how I think it ought to be.” 👍

No it's not, it's a simple question of why would you want to crap post potentially when you can be knowledgeable or explore actual realities. Instead of "You guys think Lewis will retire due to supposedly being on an R&B/Pop Singer's album? Kravitz suggested it so...". And then saying later on "it was just a what if post, geez". That's fine, but have it given the response it did seems appropriate. However, you made it clear what you want to post, so that's that.

In other news, Vettel seems to be quite cool on the idea of LeClerc joining Ferrari next year.


Is it a love of the harmonious relationship with Kimi, or a fear of LeClerc that could motivate these statements? Or is he genuine when he says he’s indifferent?

Discuss....but go easy on the trite.

What's trite about it? Seems to ask a realistic question about a driver transfer and how a current driver views it. Vettel was pretty young when he was moved up to RBR and perhaps the expectations that he remembers are something he hopes Leclerc doesn't have to go through nearly as much.

 

[adb]

What’s wrong about some speculation? I’m pretty sure even Lewis himself thought about retiring, he’s accomplished enough, earned enough money, gained enough respect to retire tomorrow and never look back and keep his head high. He’s a highly emotional person, he’s been down, dull, underperforming for a few races, Mercedes losing its edge, what would be so unthinkable about his retirement?
Because Toto said it’s all good and pretty? So, what did people expect, Toto or Niki of all people to say, that Lewis is a whiny little girl who’s contemplating whether to sign up to race fastest cars for 50 mil$ a year or go singing?
Until press release we all knew as much as each other and we couldn’t draw any conclusions on what would happen to him, so speculating was all okay, no matter if you thought he would sign or retire.
There is absolutely no reason to go around saying “ha I told you” just because some people believe that Toto always says truth, all truth and only truth, were right this time. There is no reason why other people shouldn’t try reading between the lines and thinking about what they see in Lewis’ behavior, and ridiculing those, saying they were silly not to believe “insight” is just wrong.

 

[twitcher]

Stroll to Force India rumours bubbling. Nothing like trying to buy your way up the grid



A wise move for Stroll, being that he’d likely be up against an Ocon, Russell, etc?

As the tweet mentions, lends credibility to the Perez —> Haas rumours.

Edit: what does Buxton mean when he refers to the Wolfe/Stroll relationship...is it a salty one?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

What’s wrong about some speculation? I’m pretty sure even Lewis himself thought about retiring, he’s accomplished enough, earned enough money, gained enough respect to retire tomorrow and never look back and keep his head high. He’s a highly emotional person, he’s been down, dull, underperforming for a few races, Mercedes losing its edge, what would be so unthinkable about his retirement?
Because Toto said it’s all good and pretty? So, what did people expect, Toto or Niki of all people to say, that Lewis is a whiny little girl who’s contemplating whether to sign up to race fastest cars for 50 mil$ a year or go singing?
Until press release we all knew as much as each other and we couldn’t draw any conclusions on what would happen to him, so speculating was all okay, no matter if you thought he would sign or retire.
There is absolutely no reason to go around saying “ha I told you” just because some people believe that Toto always says truth, all truth and only truth, were right this time. There is no reason why other people shouldn’t try reading between the lines and thinking about what they see in Lewis’ behavior, and ridiculing those, saying they were silly not to believe “insight” is just wrong.

No one is saying it'd be unthinkable. Not sure what's so hard to understand. The point is there was plenty of evidence to suggest that speculation is silly and yet people still fantasize, why? Only they know. Point is it was we don't know if Lewis had thought of retiring or sees it that way, if anything Lewis clearly wants to leave and be seen as the best driver the sport has ever had, stats wise.

What we do know what he has said, which is he only wants to go on until about 2021/22 and then retire. We don't need press releases finalizing the contract to have circumstantial evidence and perspective that says what is most likely going to happen. And yes there is reason to tell people "told ya". Trying to read behavior of a competitor as if you are a licensed psychologist is the depths of arm chair speculation and adds nothing. It's a tough year and of course the dude is going to be mad when his team has dropped the ball about 3 times on strategy, and bad luck on track has cost them a good amount of points as well. None of this suddenly means he should retire, and especially not when he's second in the championship and only a handful of points from first.

A wise move for Stroll, being that he’d likely be up against an Ocon, Russell, etc?

As the tweet mentions, lends credibility to the Perez —> Haas rumours.

Edit: what does Buxton mean when he refers to the Wolfe/Stroll relationship...is it a salty one?

I wouldn't say it is wise, but FI aren't going to reject the money since they're in the same boat as Williams financially. The difference is one knows how to build a car now, and can help him show his performance, whatever that may be.

It's a good stepping stone if he thinks he can prove himself and move further up the grid in the future. It's also a good way I think to lose a drive if he does get outright beat. It will be interesting, because Williams seem to have an issue with being able to build consistent cars and I think Stroll isn't going to wait around until they figure it out.

If Perez to Haas happens it will be interesting, since I think he needs another challenge. Sadly for him it will be proving he is fast in another mid field team.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Edit: what does Buxton mean when he refers to the Wolfe/Stroll relationship...is it a salty one?

Wolff and Stroll Sr. have been friends for a long time, I can't remember what Stroll Jr's exact relationship with Mercedes was before he joined Williams-Mercedes (and I'm sure someone else can refresh my memory) but on the basis of the Wolff link a move to Force India Mercedes is credible. Outside that I don't personally find it credible at all

 

[adb]

Wouldn’t be shocked if Lawrence bought the team out, would be a bit sad, I mean with Perez gone, that’s a no brainer for Merc/Russell. But well, at least Lance will get exposed big time

 

[MaddinICE]

Bottas stays at Mercedes too, with the option to further expand his contract to 2020.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Please delete - wrong thread

 

[BrainsBush]

RUMOR/GOSSIP: Ocon to Renault, Sainz to McLaren. According to some insiders this is a 90% done deal

 

[TenEightyOne]

RUMOR/GOSSIP: Ocon to Renault, Sainz to McLaren. According to some insiders this is a 90% done deal

Sainz would be just another talent waiting in the midfield for the Big Upgrade that McLaren have been promising since... well, since the dawn of time it seems.

 

[Milouse]

RUMOR/GOSSIP: Ocon to Renault, Sainz to McLaren. According to some insiders this is a 90% done dea

The Ocon to Renault move is indeed a matter of 48 hours confirmation frame time, according to Canal +. But according to Abidboul a minute ago, everything is still locked by Ricciardo.
Leclerc to Ferrari is a credible move considering their extensive talks they had in the previous weeks, with a surprising option for Raikonnen to replace him at Sauber.

 

[baldgye]

Word is, Kimi could stay another year. New Ferrari CEO doesn’t want to come in and change things up, so word is he wants to keep it as it is. Vettel has said many times he likes Kimi as a number 2.

Leclerc would then, you’d assume to go Haas

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Word is, Kimi could stay another year. New Ferrari CEO doesn’t want to come in and change things up, so word is he wants to keep it as it is. Vettel has said many times he likes Kimi as a number 2.

Leclerc would then, you’d assume to go Haas

Not if Haas say no, which Sauber don't seem to do.

 

[baldgye]

Not if Haas say no, which Sauber don't seem to do.

That's just what was being reported prior to the race, I think after this season you could replace on of the Haas drivers with Leclerc and that'd pay off pretty well

 

[adb]

Haas would be silly not to take Charles, but next year it wouldn’t be surprising to see Sauber in front of Haas, so I think it is between Ferrari and Sauber

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Haas would be silly not to take Charles, but next year it wouldn’t be surprising to see Sauber in front of Haas, so I think it is between Ferrari and Sauber

Based on what exactly says that Sauber would be in front, they're still shuffling engineers, and they're starting quite early on next year's development. Which usually says they feel there is a lot of work to be done if they want to move up the grid.

 

[adb]

Based on what exactly says that Sauber would be in front, they're still shuffling engineers, and they're starting quite early on next year's development. Which usually says they feel there is a lot of work to be done if they want to move up the grid.

Getting Simone Resta without gardening leave sounds to me like they are becoming Ferrari's B-team, and starting early on 2019 car sounds like they want to capitalise on rule changes, can't see why they couldn't beat Haas next year.