The 2020 George Floyd/BLM/Police Brutality Protests Discussion Thread

[ryzno]

The land of the free...

Ain't nothin' free.

 

[Joey D]

To protect and serve:

Cops admit vandalizing cars of man who filed complaint against them, prosecutor says

Both vandals pled guilty to the charges as well.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Freedom costs a buck o' five

 

[huskeR32]

To protect and serve:

Cops admit vandalizing cars of man who filed complaint against them, prosecutor says

Both vandals pled guilty to the charges as well.

Wow.

 

[DDastardly00]

Sorry, but according to your own logic you’re not allowed to raise a point about that unless you also point out everything else that is wrong in the world.

♪Deflection junction, what's that function.♫

The NBA has no credibility to discuss human rights based on their record

Where is our GTPlanet thread about the Uighurs? How come we only talk about them in a thread about police shootings in the US? Now that’s some hypocrisy.

So create a thread then.

 

[Famine]

MORE police to UPHOLD the law and provide PUBLIC SAFETY is the first step.

What, in your opinion, is the job of a police officer?

 

[Groundfish]

Ticketing me for mudflaps isn't doing jack for public safety. I'd rather provide my own private safety instead of relying on public safety

This is a perfect example. You choose not to have proper mud flaps, I drive behind you and your tires throw up a huge rock which smashes my window, I’m startled and it causes a wreck! That could possibly get someone killed!
But in actual fact my windshield is smashed and I have to get a new one in my Prius which costs me an arm and a leg, all because you broke the law.

You say you’re not worried about cartels or gangs, maybe you live near Nancy Pelosi in a safe area, not everyone does.
Not all areas remain safe when lawlessness is allowed, it might not be tomorrow but violence could come your way.
You may be saddened to learn that the criminals that want what you have have greater financial backing than you do to buy a gun and ammo or pay private security.
This is why without law and order you’re in DANGER.
This is why one of the most important functions of govt is to provide SAFETY for its citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Edit @Famine law enforcement

 

[McLaren]

Are you even American? What is this hilarious fantasy that the common criminal is some Lex Luthor with deep pockets.

If a criminal has the resources to hire private security, they're not going after average Americans.

 

[DesertPenguin]

This is a perfect example. You choose not to have proper mud flaps, I drive behind you and your tires throw up a huge rock which smashes my window, I’m startled and it causes a wreck! That could possibly get someone killed!
But in actual fact my windshield is smashed and I have to get a new one in my Prius which costs me an arm and a leg, all because you broke the law.

You say you’re not worried about cartels or gangs, maybe you live near Nancy Pelosi in a safe area, not everyone does.
Not all areas remain safe when lawlessness is allowed, it might not be tomorrow but violence could come your way.
You may be saddened to learn that the criminals that want what you have have greater financial backing than you do to buy a gun and ammo or pay private security.
This is why without law and order you’re in DANGER.
This is why one of the most important functions of govt is to provide SAFETY for its citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Edit @Famine law enforcement

I almost feel sorry for you that you live in such a state of fear. Almost.

law enforcement

Could you please elaborate?

 

[eran0004]

The NBA has no credibility to discuss human rights based on their record

What’s lacking credibility is the idea that you’d either have to stand up for every single cause in the world or sit down quietly and accept anything that happens. I’m sure NBA have a lot of stuff on their conscience, but that doesn’t make it wrong for them to stand up for something.

If you want to accuse the NBA then accuse the NBA.

 

[Joey D]

This is a perfect example. You choose not to have proper mud flaps, I drive behind you and your tires throw up a huge rock which smashes my window, I’m startled and it causes a wreck! That could possibly get someone killed!
But in actual fact my windshield is smashed and I have to get a new one in my Prius which costs me an arm and a leg, all because you broke the law.

I had proper mudflaps, they were oversized, covered my tires, and were approximately an inch larger than they needed to be. I still got ticketed though because the city needs to make the money somehow. I just paid it because it would've cost me more to go to court and fight it.

You say you’re not worried about cartels or gangs, maybe you live near Nancy Pelosi in a safe area, not everyone does.

I live in Utah, just outside Salt Lake City. We have crime, we have gangs, we even have drug cartels since SLC is a major intersection with shipping. I still feel safe and I don't expect drug cartels to come kicking down my door anytime soon. A common thief looking to rob me blind, sure that's a real possibility just like it is anywhere. That's why I have a 9mm within arms reach. I'm not calling the police. If the perpetrator shows any sign that they will put me or my family in danger, I'm going to shoot after a very loud warning is shouted.

Thankfully, I don't suspect this to happen, but if it does, I'm prepared for it. I rarely carry my gun when I leave my property though since I'm not trained well enough to use it in a public setting.

You may be saddened to learn that the criminals that want what you have have greater financial backing than you do to buy a gun and ammo or pay private security.

Are you a criminal or something? Do you have some sort of in-depth information into a crime ring?

This is why one of the most important functions of govt is to provide SAFETY for its citizens from enemies both foreign and domestic.

That's not the function of government. It's there to protect the rights of people and that's about it. What the government does in the name of safety can, and often does, violate our rights. I'm not cool with that.

 

[Groundfish]

I dunno I just had a windshield smashed and didn’t have insurance that covered it tires can throw up BIG rocks so...It was a big expense.
I will return to my usual forums...
The argument is you have areas where laws are being broken.
These areas are unsafe because the laws are not being followed.
Therefore, for public safety, law enforcement efforts need to INCREASE.
I’m not sure how, but with an area where there’s no law it’s anarchy.
That’s my argument and I have shared it with you all.
I will read the counterpoints but I need to stop posting so much.
Cheers

 

[DDastardly00]

Even ESPN (consider the source here) had an Exposee on the NBA's abysmal track record on human rights at their training camps in China. They were described as "Sweat shops for children".

According to an ESPN report released on Wednesday, the NBA’s China academies are abusing young players. The article also alleges that the NBA had been warned of the abuses. The NBA reportedly told coaches not to comment on China for the story.

Since late last year, the NBA has been quiet about its controversial relationship with China, refusing to openly condemn many of the human rights abuses that the Chinese government continues to inflict on its people.

According to ESPN, American coaches from three NBA training academies in China told NBA officials that the league’s Chinese partners were physically abusing young players and refusing to provide education, despite the fact that NBA commissioner Adam Silver had said education would be central to their program.

Perhaps the most troubling of all of the NBA China camps was the camp in Xinjiang, a police state located in western China. The Xinjiang region is known for its Uighur population. China is currently enacting a cultural genocide of the Uighurs, a majority Muslim ethnic minority in China.

The majority of players in the NBA’s Xinjiang academy were Uighurs.

ESPN reports that multiple coaches were frequently harassed and surveilled in the Xinjiang region, with one coach describing the atmosphere as akin to “World War II Germany.”

Like I said, the NBA has no credibility on Human rights issues, they're an embarrassment.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...demies-complained-player-abuse-lack-schooling

https://www.westernjournal.com/nba-refuses-condemn-china-amid-reports-abuse-nba-china-academies/

 

[huskeR32]

Even ESPN (consider the source here) had an Exposee on the NBA's abysmal track record on human rights at their training camps in China. They were described as "Sweat shops for children".

Like I said, the NBA has no credibility on Human rights issues, they're an embarrassment.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...demies-complained-player-abuse-lack-schooling

https://www.westernjournal.com/nba-refuses-condemn-china-amid-reports-abuse-nba-china-academies/

And it seems to me that much of your issue here is with the league itself. Much of the recent actions, like refusing to play games, has been the players. Don't you think that's an important distinction to consider here?

 

[DesertPenguin]

Even ESPN (consider the source here) had an Exposee on the NBA's abysmal track record on human rights at their training camps in China. They were described as "Sweat shops for children".













Like I said, the NBA has no credibility on Human rights issues, they're an embarrassment.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...demies-complained-player-abuse-lack-schooling

https://www.westernjournal.com/nba-refuses-condemn-china-amid-reports-abuse-nba-china-academies/

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/china.302763/

 

[DDastardly00]

What’s lacking credibility is the idea that you’d either have to stand up for every single cause in the world or sit down quietly and accept anything that happens. I’m sure NBA have a lot of stuff on their conscience, but that doesn’t make it wrong for them to stand up for something.

No, it just makes them hypocrites, stupid, ridiculous hypocrites.

And it seems to me that much of your issue here is with the league itself. Much of the recent actions, like refusing to play games, has been the players. Don't you think that's an important distinction to consider here?

It is. Noted.

 

[Famine]

Edit @Famine law enforcement

Would you thus agree that anything that is not law enforcement is not a police officer's job?

 

[Groundfish]

Would you thus agree that anything that is not law enforcement is not a police officer's job?

Theoretically yes, but in practice I think they are subject to a “other duties as assigned clause”
They are public servants.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

You may be saddened to learn that the criminals that want what you have have greater financial backing than you do to buy a gun and ammo or pay private security.

What? What??

What criminals are we talking about? What movie is your life based in?

I lived in Oakland (and not a great part of it either) and got by just fine. The most stressful experience I had there was getting my car towed...

 

[Groundfish]

What criminals are we talking about?

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/organized-crime

Read the first page.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/organized-crime

Read the first page.

I think your concern is not proportional to the actual threat. Out of curiosity, where do you live? Doesn't have to be precise.

 

[NotThePrez]

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/organized-crime

Read the first page.

That link is literally all one page on my computer. Can you actually tell us exactly what parts of this page are actually relevant to you point, and not send us on a wild goose chase trying to figure out what you're talking about (again)?

Even with that, the groups mentioned here (or at least within the first section) are not folks that go after ordinary citizens. You seem to be fearful of something that has a diabolically low (if not non-existent) chance of actually affecting you.

 

[eran0004]

No, it just makes them hypocrites, stupid, ridiculous hypocrites.

It doesn’t.

 

[DDastardly00]

It doesn’t.

If this is the effort you are going to put in to replying to my posts then I will ignore you from now on, have a good day.

 

[DesertPenguin]

If this is the effort you are going to put in to replying to my posts then I will ignore you from now on, have a good day.

It doesn't take much effort to point out when someone is obviously wrong. Sorry that bothers you.

 

[DDastardly00]

It doesn't take much effort to point out when someone is obviously wrong. Sorry that bothers you.

Except that neither are bothering to back up your positions, like at all. You're only defense of the NBA's record on Human right's abuses thus far has been seemingly because the NBA is right on one thing, it automatically wipes the rest of their offenses? That's not a stance or position, it's literally nothing.

 

[NotThePrez]

Except that neither are bothering to back up your positions, like at all.

You know, not every response needs a long, drawn-out answer to get to the same conclusion. That's coming from somebody who occasionally struggles to come up with short, concise answers.

You're only defense of the NBA's record on Human right's abuses thus far has been seemingly because the NBA is right on one thing, it automatically wipes the rest of their offenses?

Ummm, as far as I can tell, neither eran or DesertPenguin (or anybody in this thread, for that matter) have actually said that.

You seem to be having a very hard time separating the individual players and teams, who are boycotting games on their own volition regardless of what the NBA thinks, from the NBA themselves. You have also claimed that you have noted this distinction, yet are also ignoring it.

It comes across as you trying to de-legitimize a legitimate call to action (on an issue that probably hits a lot closer to home for these athletes/teams than whatever is going on in China) based solely on the people that write their paychecks, the two of which being completely separate issues. Actually, on that note, it's in these guys' best interests not to take such action, because it ultimately hurts their individual bottom line.

Nevermind the fact that expecting someone to battle all injustices in the world before they can battle injustices that effect them is exhausting, nigh-impossible, and a frankly ridiculous roadblock to place before more immediate concerns. Currently, boycotting China is also nigh-impossible, given how much their products find their way into out everyday lives. The device that you're browsing with, be it a computer, phone or otherwise, likely uses individual parts manufactured in China, so by proxy, you're "supporting" the Chinese government and their injustices.

Until there's actually a global effort to boycott China (because as @McLaren pointed out, that's the only realistic way an effective boycott will happen), people are going to choose the legitimate issues that are closer to home and have a greater potential to effect them, such as NBA players and teams (which was, last I checked, are predominately African-American) boycotting games as a call for justice for Jacob Blake.

 

[Groundfish]

hat's not the function of government. It's there to protect the rights of people and that's about it. What the government does in the name of safety can, and often does, violate our rights. I'm not cool with that.

This happens a lot where people try to make an argument by ignoring the meanings of words and adding their own definitions instead
It’s not about you. You don’t get to unilaterally decide for yourself what words mean.
Your definition of safe might be building a home yourself. You might say gd govt bs building codes I’m doing the electrical and gas my way because I know better...
Your ignorance and negligence then leads to destructive fires that burn not only your own home but spread and destroy others.
This is one reason we have laws man.
You do not exist independently of everyone else and just do whatever you want and redefine terms unilaterally according to your whim.
Law exists for reasons you can’t simply just wave your hand at it like a magician.
Look at this, it could happen..

 

[DesertPenguin]

This happens a lot where people try to make an argument by ignoring the meanings of words and adding their own definitions instead
It’s not about you. You don’t get to unilaterally decide for yourself what words mean.
Your definition of safe might be building a home yourself. You might say gd govt bs building codes I’m doing the electrical and gas my way because I know better...
Your ignorance and negligence then leads to destructive fires that burn not only your own home but spread and destroy others.
This is one reason we have laws man.
You do not exist independently of everyone else and just do whatever you want and redefine terms unilaterally according to your whim.
Law exists for reasons you can’t simply just wave your hand at it like a magician.
Look at this, it could happen..

Dude, he's just talking about tire flaps...

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

This happens a lot where people try to make an argument by ignoring the meanings of words and adding their own definitions instead
It’s not about you. You don’t get to unilaterally decide for yourself what words mean.
Your definition of safe might be building a home yourself. You might say gd govt bs building codes I’m doing the electrical and gas my way because I know better...
Your ignorance and negligence then leads to destructive fires that burn not only your own home but spread and destroy others.
This is one reason we have laws man.
You do not exist independently of everyone else and just do whatever you want and redefine terms unilaterally according to your whim.
Law exists for reasons you can’t simply just wave your hand at it like a magician.
Look at this, it could happen..

So you're for regulation & enforcement of building codes to prevent fires. What about environmental regulation?