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Why do these states (NV, AZ) wait to release counts? Sounds like they already got the votes counted, what’s the deal with suspense?
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So this is interesting. Looks like republicans either love to live in denial or they are the ones who are indeed listening to “fake news”. You can see how since trump took office their view on economy skyrocketed, while nothing really changed much. Democrats view pretty much stayed the same as it was under Obama, with a slight decrease, which is about right. Again, nothing much changed. The poor still poor and are getting poorer. There are jobs out there as they were under Obama. It’s a bit worse this year, so democratic numbers reflect that, but republicans think it’s actually improved. If you look at post election polls, it’s the same as well. I guess one explanation is that since most republicans are non college educated and the only news they watch is Fox News, they are very easily tricked into whatever message is projected there. If tomorrow Fox News and trump said that the earth is flat, they would agree and would say “don’t listen to the scientists, they have a special interest in this”.
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Nevada was a sure-thing for Biden yesterday, it's now within 8,000 votes.
Georgia was a sure-thing for Trump yesterday, it's now within 18,000 votes.
Pennsylvania has now slipped from 800k in Trump's favour to 164,000, and at that rate with 400k votes left to count, Biden will win by 100-150k; the results from the outstanding ballots in Philadelphia alone should tie the state, and there's still 50k (at about 60% Biden) in Pittsburgh.
Crazy election.
Georgia was a sure-thing for Trump yesterday, it's now within 18,000 votes.
Pennsylvania has now slipped from 800k in Trump's favour to 164,000, and at that rate with 400k votes left to count, Biden will win by 100-150k; the results from the outstanding ballots in Philadelphia alone should tie the state, and there's still 50k (at about 60% Biden) in Pittsburgh.
Crazy election.
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Why do they even allow partially counted results to be announced? It's a recipe for trouble. Count all the votes then announce the result. If it's close (within a given percentage) then order a recount. Giving out interim figures is just bound lead to chaos.
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Without knowing when he is loosing how else will the President know when fraud is afoot?
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It looks to me like each county (or constituency) announces in-person results within each district (or whatever the smaller subdivisions are), then the absentee/mail-in ballots are county level. I don't know why they keep counting and updating those rather than doing them all at once.
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A very interesting question, indeed Juvenal-worthy.
Journalists were supposed to report facts. Since they forgot that, news are always under suspicion and if you want to know what is happening you must browse several sources (in America check CNN and FOX News, in the UK, check the Guardian and the Telegraph, do the same in any other country).
So fact-checkers are now the "custodians" (to use Juvenal's word) of the truth. Next up ... Famine/Juvenal's question. Who are their custodians? The way things are going we'll need them soon ...
Journalists were supposed to report facts. Since they forgot that, news are always under suspicion and if you want to know what is happening you must browse several sources (in America check CNN and FOX News, in the UK, check the Guardian and the Telegraph, do the same in any other country).
So fact-checkers are now the "custodians" (to use Juvenal's word) of the truth. Next up ... Famine/Juvenal's question. Who are their custodians? The way things are going we'll need them soon ...
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The reality is, it's nowhere near as bad as this. Most "legitimate" news outlets report facts. They'd be in hot water if they didn't. Yes, both FOX and CNN both have what we could call "entertainment" segments which are effectively editorials mixed with news bites. People need to understand that. And both engage in sensationalist headlines and they tend to slant things a certain way. The danger comes from people who get their news from "unknown" sources on Twitter or Facebook or something they read on a blog or Reddit. And it's even more sinister that places like Breitbart are considered "news" by some people.
It's one of the most tragic things Trump has done (among so many others), that he has eroded people's trust in the mainstream media. And people are more willing to trust what some random guy wrote on a blog than they are to trust what's on NPR's website. Simply because it doesn't fit their agenda. And because algorithms have been feeding them "slanted" news on YouTube or social media for months and it goes against what they believe or WANT to believe.
We have an education and cognitive ability problem first. And a slanted (legitimate) news problem....much further down on the list.
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That somewhat overstates an issue.
For all of the bluster about fake news - things that are not true reported by media as if they are true - I've not actually seen a single instance of this in years within regular media. The last one I'm directly aware of as a potential piece of "fake news" was when the Mirror published pictures of soldiers urinating on Iraqi prisoners, though it and Piers Morgan - the editor at the time, and he was fired for this incident - has always claimed they published in good faith not knowing the pictures were faked.
Where you get different angles from different media outlets is not in the reporting of facts, but in both the not reporting of facts and in the use of opinion. Unbalanced media will leave out information that doesn't fit with their particular view or target audience, and publish opinion pieces from popular talking heads within their target audience. Even media that reports all of the facts can be bad, if it does so uncritically and gives all of the facts equal weighting without examination - a bad journalist reports that one person says it's raining and another one says it's not, rather than checking for themselves and reporting whether or not its raining.
Outlets like the Daily Mail get a bad reputation because they report on certain facts only, and in a certain way - framing issues (literally, sometimes, with camera angles) to suit themselves. It's not because they report on facts that aren't true.
Throwing journalists under the bus as a whole is not helpful.
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Fox News TV channel...Facts? ROFL
Fox (not news) ... mostly facts.
Problem is I see that Fox News is the most popular news channel around, so...yeah...
Fox (not news) ... mostly facts.
Problem is I see that Fox News is the most popular news channel around, so...yeah...
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That's unfortunate, but probably the reasonable explanation.
Gap is down to 136,000 in PA.
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Looks like they “keep finding dem Biden votes”.
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