The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread
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I've never looked at Yahoo news in my life ... but scrolling down just now found nothing for today on AOC & an article from yesterday that mentions her in a general discussion about the brewing conflict between Democratic centrists vs moderates. Didn't seem to "gush" about AOC at all though.
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Since reading this article, I figured Yahoo were too busy covering tearjerking tales of butthurt Trumpers to gush about AOC.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporter-files-restraining-order-234524378.html
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More than anything, in my experience Yahoo is just poor journalism, but I'd hardly say they are leftist.
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Shhh... we're not supposed to mock those with less education than us because it's classism.
Man, you really missed my point there. I suppose I could have stated it better, but there's a distinct difference between calling someone out for their obvious stupidity and thinking that someone is stupid/unable to make rational decisions just because they haven't gotten as much formal education as you. I think anybody who has spent more than a week in higher education realizes that going to school doesn't automatically make you smart.
In summary, I don't think it's safe to make any assumptions about someone's intelligence based off their station in life. Best to let them show it off themselves as that Mississippi state rep did.
I hope to see more GOP members temper their opinions on the election like Cox in that video. Hopefully the most radical and unfiltered elements of the party won't last long after Trump disappears as a figurehead.
EDIT: Don't know if this thread likes Joe Rogan at all, but if you want to hear why Donald Trump got votes in 4 minutes, watch this.
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[EDIT] Oh, and the lawyers quit Trump's Maricopa County fraud lawsuit as well.
https://today.westlaw.com/Document/Ief147bd0247611eb8dfbdfeb7526f5c7/View/FullText.html
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No, thanks.
Dave Smith attempts to approach the election cycle as a neutral observer, but he makes the same mocking points against liberals, retweets the same right-wing Twitter talking heads, & makes the same comments that Biden will do nothing significant. He's a right wing grifter hiding under the identity of a Libertarian.
Edit* Checking JRE's subreddit, yeah, it's another piss take of a podcast from Joe as his own fans can see Joe is genuinely not thrilled about the election outcome. He does not care about factual statements and apparently, laughs off if a counter-point is made. A guy like Dave Smith who can share in his feelings is the perfect guest for Joe.
For anyone who wants to see the general reaction from fans on Dave Smith's episode.
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I was under the impression that libertarians could span from left to right and could also be skeptical of Joe Biden's policy outlook. Why does that outlook make him a "right wing grifter"? It's easy to see that he retweets a lot of right-wing opinions, but does that mean he can't also be a libertarian?
Besides, even if Smith is just an average right-wing commentator, does that somehow invalidate what was said in the clip? It corroborates with where Trump campaigned in 2016, the message that he brought back then, and the places that he won.
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Because he's not a Libertarian, he's very clearly a closeted-Republican. The same as Joe "I voted Libertarian the last 2 elections" Rogan even though the last 6 months of his podcast have been right-wing circle jerking, conspiracy theories & bad political commentary. There are Libertarians on this forum, I have never seen them embrace the hard-right views on every topic that Joe has entertained with his guests. For example, as clearly referenced by others in that Reddit thread, Joe & Dave made an incorrect comment about Hunter Biden, Jaime brought up that Fox News didn't agree with that, Joe dismisses Fox as anti-Trump so it doesn't count. Sorry, the only bakery serving out that hot take is the Republican/Trump base upset that Fox News isn't fighting tooth & nail to recognize Trump as President like OAN or Newsmax.
This guy's summary seems to be the general consensus of the episode:
That's die-hard, far-right Republican/Trump talk aimed at guilt-tripping Libertarians who voted for their candidate, not Trump which is something Trump-supporting Republicans have actually been angry about, that somehow Libertarian votes for Jo cost Trump the race in some states.
As for what Dave said in your clip, as I said, no thanks, I didn't watch it. But let me take a guess; Trump got votes because people were fed up about the "radical left's 'wokeness', name-calling, & white-guilt tripping", so he ran his campaign on the underpinning base of making straight, white people feel good about themselves again.
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I just don't get Joe Rogan. I like him as a presenter or analyst when I'm watching UFC but everything else... uh, no thanks.
It's like some people would have you think he's the Ed Sullivan of the 2010s but look at the pondlife he's had on his show; it speaks for itself.
It's like some people would have you think he's the Ed Sullivan of the 2010s but look at the pondlife he's had on his show; it speaks for itself.
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Last time I thought anything of Joe Rogan was when he was on NewsRadio, but I only really tolerated his presence on that and I could only tolerate a couple seasons of that show despite my love for Stephen Root and Phil Hartman. In hindsight, I wish I'd stuck with it longer given the latter's death.
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You guys are killing me. To be fair, Yahoo.com has changed a lot over the years. And while they do produce their own news articles, they act primarily as a news broker. They push and pull other articles into their feed, being careful to cite the original article. But depending on whether you're "logged in" to Yahoo or what device you're using or what you've previously clicked on, will determine what news articles you see. It's not like turning on the TV where everybody is watching the same broadcast on the same channel. The Yahoo home page or Yahoo news site is going to be different for everybody. That's how algorithms work. I just logged into www.yahoo.com and I found 23 separate trackers. And since I've often clicked on automotive articles, surprise-surprise, there are several automotive articles. And, hmmm, TWO articles about Elizabeth Hurley's latest bikini. 
Well, never mind about that. It might be just a coincidence. 
But if I were to clean out cookies or log in with a different browser, I would likely see a completely different set of articles. So if @Biggles has never logged into Yahoo before, he'll see sort of a blank slate until he starts clicking on articles. And the more of a certain type or source of article he clicks on, the more a pattern develops.It's the same for Youtube or Facebook, or any number of news sources or social media sites on the web. You're tracked, tacked, ear marked and targeted every time you navigate somewhere. And the more likes you give something the more likely it is to come around again. And likes can simply mean how much screen time you're giving an article about something you despise. If you're taking the time to read it, that information is being collected. It's one of my biggest issues with Goggle and how they're ALWAYS tracking across multiple platforms and devices and criteria. You use Google maps, you have a NEST home security camera, you use Google Search engine, you watch some YouTube videos...it's actually pretty terrifying But you can start to see both how nefarious and poisonous this can be. And how people can end up staring into information echo chambers despite the prolific amount of information out there.
It's like watching the Masked Singer. TAKE IT OFF! And now we kind of get it.
This is just wrong. There's no need to mock a neighbor, and especially not his children, and certainly not to the point where he has to file a restraining order. This is a particularly sensitive issue for me for obvious reasons.
At the same time, while expressing first amendment rights, people also have to understand that it sometimes has consequences. And I'll give another quaint anecdotal account of this. One of my sisters is married to a dentist and lives upstate New York. They live in a small gated community where the majority of their neighbors are doctors, surgeons, anesthesiologists, etc. Most of them are actually foreign born (India, Pakistan, Romania, etc). One neighbor put up a TON of Trump banners. One in particular "Build the Wall" just didn't resonate well. I wonder why. I grew tired of hearing about the "silent majority" from Trump supporters. Because a lot of them aren't silent. And if you're going to loudly proclaim a messages which so many others consider borderline "hate speech", don't expect to hold arms and sing Kumbaya the following day. As far as I know, nobody harassed this neighbor. But rightfully or wrongly, nobody really gives him the time of day anymore.
I think Joe Biden's "let's turn down the rhetoric" is a sensible approach for everybody to step back and take a breath. Because it won't take much of a bell ring to start the fight.
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The United States has changed a great deal over the last 25 years, from a manufacturing powerhouse to a service based society. The loss of many traditional jobs came in waves. And the 2008-2009 recession in the US was in many ways, much worse than people outside the US realize. The recovery was long and slow and many jobs that were there before, simply never came back. And a lot of people may not have been classified as unemployed, but they were working 2 dead end jobs just to make ends meet. And there were a LOT of angry, disenfranchised people out there who felt that nobody was listening to them or really helping them. They didn't feel like they had a voice or a say in their own futures. And Donald Trump was seen as an "outsider". He was a businessman (though a fake one) and people wanted somebody from outside the Washington Establishment. And his main opponent, Hilary Clinton was not a particularly likable person. But she was even less likable with the GOP painting her as the devil for more than 20 years.
The problem, as some of us knew then, and most of us know now, is that the man is and was a liar, a thief and a terrible narcissistic human being.
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I'd be interested to know if his rhetoric about giving jobs back to those who felt disenfranchised was in any way followed through on or whether it was just hyperbole like his lip service to the evangelicals has been. Do his supporters feel he has improved their lives at all or is this lip service sufficient enough to satisfy their hunger of seeing damage done to the Washington Establishment?
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I don't think anything changed in real reality, but in alternative reality that a lot of his supporters live, they feel like it did change. Look at the poll I posted not long ago (and exit polls). Trump supporter's view of economy shifted to positive with his time as a president. Democrats and others - didn't change much (if slightly trending downwards).
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I've seen charts with a similar line to this one posted here before...
The recent uptick started in 2010. I think it's fair to say manufacturing jobs have increased under Trump, but that it was a trend started under Obama.
I've also seen it mentioned that the massive drop around 2000 was when China joined the WTO... no idea if that's correlation or causality, but it would explain Trump's beef with China.
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Overall, yes things improved. But they improved (or continued to improve) at roughly the same rate under Trump as they did during the last 4 years of the Obama administration. As the economy improves (over-all, and looking at common factors such unemployment, GDP, factoring in the cost of living index, etc.), the quality of life for most people generally flowed upward. But that's a very general way of looking at it and it doesn't tell the full story. And clearly for people with access to higher education and resources, there were more opportunities then there were for people who were in their 50s and had been doing the same job for 30 of them at jobs or companies or entire industries that were disappearing.
Certainly, a lot of Trump's promises fell flat. One of the most infamous and prolific examples, was Trump's big public act to try and stop overseas job migration from the Carrier furnace plant in Indiana back in 2016. Despite big tax breaks, Carrier still eliminated many of the jobs it planned to outsource.
In other cases, partially due to new sources, new methods and new discoveries, along with rolling back of certain regulations, there has been a resurgence in oil drilling jobs.
Over-all, a President's ability to "create" jobs and turn the economy around and really improve the quality of life is actually rather limited in pure economic terms. I think in many cases, it was simply Trump's rhetoric that caught them. A return to the "good ol' day" of the 60s or 70s or 80s when life was simpler. A flash of nostalgia. Blaming job losses on immigrants and liberals and lack of morals is a time honored tradition. Trump wasn't doing anything new that many successful or would be dictators haven't already tried in the past.
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Actually that makes a lot of sense. I do try to minimize their ability to track what I'm doing, but I'm sure I'm not as successful as I'd like to be.
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I've been wondering for the past couple of days: are there any examples of authoritarian movements being defeated democratically, and then just fading away? I'm sure most of us are aware of Hitler and Mussolini "using democracy to defeat democracy", and on the other hand some of us might know the tale of Max Mosley's father's movement failing to capitalise on the Great Depression in the UK.
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