The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread
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There was and remains a very strong perception that the only time Democrats care about anyone disenfranchised (minorities, gay people, inner city impoverished, etc) is in the four months before an election, at which point they go back to talking platitudes after they win. But people in flyover country and the rust belt, who as pointed out above were hit hard in 2008, rarely even get that much. Donald Trump, to his real credit, tirelessly campaigned in those areas for weeks on end and made promises about job growth and undoing the "damage" of foreign trade deals and protecting the few high paying jobs left in the area rom going to China or being eliminated by green energy and etc. I imagine many of them didn't like that he was a racist mean spirited bully, but their alternative to the person specifically courting them was basically perceived nothing.
His opponent, someone so transparently opportunistic for her entire political career that no one believed her sincerity about any topic she talked about by the time 2016 rolled around, not only didn't even really bother to reach out to those people but made several gaffes specifically targeting them for responding well to the things Trump was selling them. The crap Trump was selling, especially because he was selling it at the objection of even the party he was running for, resonated with a lot of people in a way that Hillary's campaign promises of "It's my turn now (as dictated in advance by the DNC), so everyone shut up and get in line for me on Tuesday" did not. Yes, he needed very targeted campaigning to take advantage of the electoral college to squeak in, but even so I knew someone personally from high school who was doing all of that stuff that you heard people doing during Obama's 2008 campaign when Bernie emerged as a candidate. Running local fundraisers, distributing signs, doing meetups with other supporters, etc. I don't think he even voted in 2016 after it became Hillary's ticket.
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Affidavits are probably the weakest evidence someone can bring and they may or may not be admissible depending on the circumstances. The defendant also might request that the person who filed the affidavit appear in court to testify to it.
If this is all the evidence Trump has, his case is laughably bad. Typically you need something else to back up the affidavits, something tangible that can be presented in court. Otherwise, it's just someone saying what they think they saw, which may or may not be the truth since people can remember things differently.
It looks like many of the affidavits suggest that Republican polls workers were treated worse than Democrat polls workers. Sure that might be the case, but treating someone poorly isn't illegal. Also, it's hard to tell if they instigated it or not. There have been stories that suggest Republican poll workers were ignoring physical distancing and mask guidelines, which is why they were treated poorly.
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That’s about as far from a smoking gun as you can get.
I might have seen something odd, but it also could have been perfectly legitimate and have an normal explanation.
Even if everyone of these was valid, I accounts for what, a few hundred votes!
Let’s actually keep it to the ones that have been tested in a court of law, what’s the ratio on those again?
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Let see if it manages to exceed the past incidents of illegal votes that (checks notes) is so minuscule as to barely register.
I trust you also will be posting on those incidents from Trump voters as well?
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And it wouldn't shock me if the side that's bringing these lawsuits is ALSO guilty of the same underhanded tactics.
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Legitimate cases of fraud SHOULD be investigated. Maybe there is more to this. I did not read through 234 pages of affidavits. Obviously. But I randomly scrolled through about a dozen. I'll paraphrase the complaints this way, "They knew I was a Republican and they were mean to me. REALLY mean. And I saw some things going on which...I kind of didn't understand. But when I pointed it out, they just kept going. And they said they would mark it down. But I don't think they did." Maybe I just picked a particularly shady bunch to skim through. Do any of these 234 pages shed any better light or is that the gist of it?
Joe has been cut off from messages to him received by the State Department from foreign leaders, messages that he had routine access to as former VP. Seems rather rude.
Rude? Come on, Biden is a zombie, a pathetic, pitiful, shambling shell of a man who used to be a skilled and electable if old-fashioned flesh-pressing politician. Or you know...something like that. Am I right?
Well, slightly more than zero. 50.8% 77,689,970 votes.
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Just read a few articles on the Guardian about all these law suits that are basically useless. The articles pointed toward the sentiment that there are basically just a pre-step to some steps to prepare the people for the real plan like having the state legislatures overturn the popular vote of those states and appoint the electors to vote for Trump, all in the name of fair elections.
This brought back - it wasn't exactly hard - my thoughts about the post-election situation, something I considered and still very much consider a very real threat: civil war. Trumpettes are very-very trigger happy as we could see in many occasions and they very much like to parade showcasing their arsenal. We say in Hungary that if a dog barks, it doesn't bite but we also say that if a gun shows up on the stage, there's gonna be a shot. While perhaps many would be by default "paperdogs" aka mehr Schein als Sein (paperdog means being very loud but not having the guts to make it through, mehr Schein als Sein: more appearance than substance - again, sorry for my mirror translation from my native language and using a German term), I'm sure there are enough idiots among them who wouldn't hesitate to actually pull the trigger for their beloved orange-skinned leader - and that would start an avalanche where even the paperdogs wouldn't be paperdogs anymore.
This brought back - it wasn't exactly hard - my thoughts about the post-election situation, something I considered and still very much consider a very real threat: civil war. Trumpettes are very-very trigger happy as we could see in many occasions and they very much like to parade showcasing their arsenal. We say in Hungary that if a dog barks, it doesn't bite but we also say that if a gun shows up on the stage, there's gonna be a shot. While perhaps many would be by default "paperdogs" aka mehr Schein als Sein (paperdog means being very loud but not having the guts to make it through, mehr Schein als Sein: more appearance than substance - again, sorry for my mirror translation from my native language and using a German term), I'm sure there are enough idiots among them who wouldn't hesitate to actually pull the trigger for their beloved orange-skinned leader - and that would start an avalanche where even the paperdogs wouldn't be paperdogs anymore.
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What is?
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NY Times article says GA and AZ are (figuratively) done
You might run into a paywall there. The article says that GA and AZ being tight (and GA being under recount) networks are reluctant to call them - but that basically they ought to be called. Biden has won both, Trump stands no realistic chance of changing the result, even in the recount (given the history of recount results).
As a result, I think we can safely put the EC tally, at least barring recounts, at 306 Biden, 217 Trump, with a probable NC win going for Trump in the future to make it 306/232 - Biden.
You might run into a paywall there. The article says that GA and AZ being tight (and GA being under recount) networks are reluctant to call them - but that basically they ought to be called. Biden has won both, Trump stands no realistic chance of changing the result, even in the recount (given the history of recount results).
As a result, I think we can safely put the EC tally, at least barring recounts, at 306 Biden, 217 Trump, with a probable NC win going for Trump in the future to make it 306/232 - Biden.
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Not really. Back then I was supporting Tulsi and donating hundreds of dollars to her campaign. Joe was routinely mumbling, getting lost and pissing on his shoes for all I know. Politics is partisan and inspires strong feelings. Somehow, Joe eventually became the nominee and appears to have won the election. There is still some vote counting and a few so far minor legal matters to settle. Then comes the Electoral College voting in December.
January 20th, 2021 is Inauguration Day. I will eat some crow if he manages to stagger that far and still be standing, but not before.
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I think this is the right sentiment. The statement was made that Biden had no chance, that statement is already wrong.
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This headline just about sums up the whole thing.
Biden expresses 'deep condolences' after 5 American troops were killed in a helicopter crash while Trump trashes Fox News
Biden expresses 'deep condolences' after 5 American troops were killed in a helicopter crash while Trump trashes Fox News
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It's possible the Electoral College is a bit of an anachronism, I agree. But is is also the law of the land. We are not free to simply ignore it. We have three choices: Obey the law, Change the law, or Break the law.
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Really? This is the best evidence of "ballot fraud" you can come up with? As I read it, the reporter for the Blaze - a website started by Glenn Beck - concludes with this statement:
This list constitutes the entire body of potential actual fraud allegations raised in the affidavits. The testimony contained in these affidavits clearly pertains to fewer than 1,000 total ballots, although it should be noted that numerous affiants complained that they were not able to see what was happening because they were required to maintain six feet of social distance or because people were in their way.
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It's weak tea, but so long as it plants doubt in the minds of the faithful and delegitimises Biden's victory in their eyes then they can make up the rest of the "evidence" as they go along.
[EDIT] For example, here's more devastatingly convincing eye-"witness" testimony from an actual election observer:
This wouldn't stand up in court if it were mainlining Viagra.
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