The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
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I've been wondering for the past couple of days: are there any examples of authoritarian movements being defeated democratically, and then just fading away? I'm sure most of us are aware of Hitler and Mussolini "using democracy to defeat democracy", and on the other hand some of us might know the tale of Max Mosley's father's movement failing to capitalise on the Great Depression in the UK.

Usually it happens when the dictator is basically forced to hold a legitimate election.

I'm very sketchy on it but I think Ferdinand Marcos was voted out as Philippene President in 1986 after the USA basically told him to step down and stop being a 🤬.

East Germany had its only open election in 1990 (the first in those territories since 1932) and the ruling SED lost to an alliance of parties that sought a speedy unification. The SED actually finished 3rd. Other factors preceded the election, of course.
 
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I'm genuinely shocked by all this.

Yahoo still exists?
They, as of 3 years ago, were still a big player in fantasy sports. However it's been awhile since I've played and I would be hard-pressed to use any other service of theirs (or any service of Oath or whatever it technically is under now).
 
Just for the record, the very first time I ever connected to the World Wide Web, was in the spring of 1995. It was quite an ordeal to even figure out how. And perhaps it was a lack of vision on my part, but I had a hard time understanding what the fuss was about. But Yahoo was the first internet site I ever navigated to. It looked something like this back then:

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It was one of the original, if not THE original search engines. Google wouldn't even exist for several more years. And about a year or two later when everybody started abandoning closed online systems like GEnie or AOL or Prodigy, Yahoo! became my home page. And it remained so, mainly out of habit, for many, many years. They've tried to reinvent themselves many times over the years. All of those efforts seemed to fail worse than the one before. But they're still around.
 
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I remember Rosie O’Donnell used to push Yahoo hard on her show, they were huge back then. Then Google took over everything.
 
I remember when Yahoo Serious attempted to sue them for copyright infringement. In those days only comedians brought frivolous lawsuits to court.
 
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I do remember when Yahoo was one of the big search engines but my lasting memory of them is this:

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I don't know why but it really, really sticks in my mind that Yahoo was a sponsor of the 2000 Prost.
 
As best I can tell, Georgia is either done or just about. Looks like Biden took the state, by a decent margin. They'll be re-counting by hand which will take at least a week and probably introduce more error.

Arizona is still counting, but Trump's chances are looking pretty bad there.
 
God forbid Trump's numbers actually decrease after recounting, the fraud accusations will arrive even faster.
The recount vote record goes to Florida in 2000 at 1247 votes. The mess that that was, I don't see Georgia making a big swing in either direction. I think it would be funny if the count favored Biden early, though.

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Still, the capacity for change Trump actually had surprises me. Georgia last gave it up for a Democratic president in 1992, for Clinton. It's gone Republican since. Now it's looking like it's flipped, and while it may very well be a one-off, Trump did that.
 
Somehow North Carolina is still counting.

They have some kind of weird thing where they have to accept mail for a very long period of time. So ballots can still trickle in by mail as long as they're postmarked appropriately, and the state has to wait for those.

These are of course not fraudulent, because NC is probably going for Trump.
 
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I haven’t heard/seen anyone talking about the electors yet. Is there a public list of who they are in each state? Which states have laws that force them to vote for the popular winner in the state? And which states do they have leeway to vote against the popular vote?
 
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These are of course not fraudulent, because NC is probably going for Trump.
Part of me wants Biden to carp about it. He won't, which I can appreciate because it is the better way, but I just kind of want to see it go the other way to rile up the Reds.
 
I haven’t heard/seen anyone talking about the electors yet. Is there a public list of who they are in each state? Which states have laws that force them to vote for the popular winner in the state? And which states do they have leeway to vote against the popular vote?

I don't think any state forces them to vote for whom they are pledged but:

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Red states -
Some form of punishment for faithless electors; fines or imprisonment
Grey states - No punishment for faithless electors
 
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The United States has changed a great deal over the last 25 years, from a manufacturing powerhouse to a service based society. The loss of many traditional jobs came in waves. And the 2008-2009 recession in the US was in many ways, much worse than people outside the US realize. The recovery was long and slow and many jobs that were there before, simply never came back. And a lot of people may not have been classified as unemployed, but they were working 2 dead end jobs just to make ends meet. And there were a LOT of angry, disenfranchised people out there who felt that nobody was listening to them or really helping them. They didn't feel like they had a voice or a say in their own futures. And Donald Trump was seen as an "outsider". He was a businessman (though a fake one) and people wanted somebody from outside the Washington Establishment. And his main opponent, Hilary Clinton was not a particularly likable person. But she was even less likable with the GOP painting her as the devil for more than 20 years.

The problem, as some of us knew then, and most of us know now, is that the man is and was a liar, a thief and a terrible narcissistic human being.

I've heard a lot about the K-shaped recovery post 2008, and I think there's something to it. There's plenty evidence the pandemic recession is doing the same thing, perhaps worse.
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You can understand the resentment and anger. Some of it broke the Bernie direction and a lot of it broke the Trump direction.
 
I've heard a lot about the K-shaped recovery post 2008, and I think there's something to it. There's plenty evidence the pandemic recession is doing the same thing, perhaps worse.
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You can understand the resentment and anger. Some of it broke the Bernie direction and a lot of it broke the Trump direction.
I don't think that's exactly what a K-shaped recovery means. I think it refers to the fact that various sectors of the economy slump and recover at different times, resulting in numerous V-shaped offset which kinda looks like Ks all over the place.
 
Ks all over the place.
This initially evoked an image of the racist South (which isn't to say that the South is entirely racist, just that particular era and demographic), but now I can't help looking back on a time when Chrysler, Plymouth and Dodge dealerships couldn't keep certain cars on their lots and when you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting one of them.
 
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