The Logitech Driving Force Pro Thread.

[Hyundai Racer]

I have read somewhere that the Logitech MOMO Racing FFB Wheel is pretty much the same as the Logitech DFP and that it is compatible with PS2 and GT4 since it's a USB wheel... is that true? If so, that's good news for me, as they sell the MOMO whell here at a good price (under $80, I believe), but not the DFP. I'd have to order the DFP in the internet.

 

[kikie]

I have read somewhere that the Logitech MOMO Racing FFB Wheel is pretty much the same as the Logitech DFP and that it is compatible with PS2 and GT4 since it's a USB wheel... is that true?

NO, I am sorry it is not compatible. I sold my MOMO racing (black version) and only use the DFP

I believe you have GT4, why don't you connect your MOMO racing and try it!! Then and only then you are 100% sure

 

[supergoop]

The force feedback with the DFP seems kind of weak...

I've also been thinking that the feedback is a little on the tame side compared to the GT Force wheel...

DF vs DFP comparison:

I have been using the regular Driving Force (non-Pro) with GT4 (Chinese version) for about a month now. I have recently purchased the new Driving Force Pro (DFP) wheel and have logged about 30 hours on it already.

Most of the comments I read are similar to "Yes, get the DFP, you'll never go back to the DualShock 2!" I agree, BUT I find very few comments on how the new DFP compare to the regular DF, and specifically, is it worth the UPGRADE for people who already have the regular DF (non-pro).

Since I can still get a full refund on the DFP (I bought it at BestBuy), I have been doing extensive testing and benchmarking between the DF and the DFP. I have been swaping back-and-forth between the two and comparing them side-by-side. I used the same tracks, cars, settings, etc. for the comparisons. I have also used it under normal gameplay conditions. I fully understand how to calibrate, use and enable the DFP fully (e.g. 100% force), and also tried the different wheel settings within the GT4 options.

My Conclusion and Opinion:

The Force Feedback on the DFP is definitely weaker than on the regular DF (yes, it is set to 100%). On the same track and car, some rumble strips do not rumble with the DFP if I don't drive completely over it. With the regular DF, there is rumble over the same section.

The best test is to use a long straightaway with a fast supercar, going at ~380km/hr. With the DFP, the wheel bounced around a lot less than the regular DF. Even the G-Force meter was a lot more stable with the DFP. With the regular DF, I had to struggle and concentrate to keep the car on the track (in a good way). I did a test... if I look away for even 5 seconds going at 380 km/hr with the regular DF, there is a good chance my car will be in the ditch. With the DFP, my car is very smooth and there is much less feedback. I can close my eyes for a lot longer and it'll still keep the car on the track. If felt TOO smooth. There was much less struggle to keep the car on the track with the DFP.

[UPDATE #1] The DFP is weaker only when in 900 Degree mode. If you force it to run GT4 in 200 Degree mode (press R3+Select+RightPaddle), the feedback on the DFP is stronger than the DF. I believe this has to do with the "resolution" between the two mode. At 900 mode, the scale is finer, and the feedback is spread over a much wider spectrum. Therefore the feedback feels relatively weaker.​

On the plus side, the DFP felt a lot firmer and heavier. The DFP felt solid and less like a toy. The strength of the feedback may be weaker, but the QUALITY is better compared to the regular DF. Losing grip on a tire feels more natural. Too bad the feedback felt weak.

Other observations:

The foot pedals are better on the DFP. I especially like the brake pedal. It has much better VARIABLE resistance. The deeper you apply the brakes, the stiffer it feels. The gas pedal is also improved. It also has variable resistance. The deeper your apply the gas, the more resistance is felt.

The DFP makes every other aspect of the game more fun, but it ruins the rallying. The wheel needs to be 200*, imho. I haven't messed with changing it. At 900* you feel like you'll destroy the wheel by sawing it lock to lock.

The 900 degree is really nice for ROAD courses. I personally don't like it for rally courses. In Rally, you need to turn very quickly but the DFP is stiff and difficult to turn quickly. Also, even though I prefer to use the paddles for quick shifting, it is sometimes difficult because of the 900 degree movement. Your wheel could be upside-down and it could be difficult trying to locate the shift paddles quickly. In those situations (especially for Rally races where you need to turn and shift aggressively), I have to use the stick shifter. This means only one hand on the wheel. This is not really the fault of the DFP, but I find it easier to use the regular DF for rally races.

The DFP's stick shifter is fun and excellent for that "simulation" feel. But when I need to shave seconds off for that illusive gold licence, I find it faster to shift with the paddles.

Summary:

My conclusion is YES, the DFP is an excellent wheel to get... IF you don't have a wheel at all. I would choose the DFP over the regular DF. The DFP is overall a better wheel than the regular DF. HOWEVER, if you ALREADY have the regular DF, I do not think the DFP is worth full price for just an upgrade.

Having said that, these are just my humble opinion and my side-by-side experience with both wheels. Trying to help those deciding whether to UPGRADE from a DF to a DFP.

I have added some pictures below of my setup used for these tests:

 

[Cloud78]

Hi cloud78

I see that you still have problems, well, the best way to test your FF (and other settings) of your DFP is to install the latest driver on your PC and do the test there, in the wingman profiler, (this is the main screen from that driver where you can test the settings of your DFP

This is the link from 9mm to get the driver:
http://www.wingmanteam.com/files/Pa...a/LGS460ENU.exe

This is the best way to test your DFP and your pedals

The link is not working for me.........

 

[MikeK]

I agree, the paddles to shift are preferable for me anyway. I can keep both hands on the wheel and basically shift with whatever finger happens to be on the paddles, as opposed to taking one hand off the wheel completely and using it to shift in one motion.

Thanks all, who answered my question. I knew it was somewhere and I was searching through various pages in this thread. Of course, I forget the obvious and don't check the first page, lol

Anyway, slightly off-topic here, I discovered this board a few weeks prior to GT4 coming out. During my GT3 days, I frequented another board which doesn't seem to exist anymore. But I've found this board to be such a tremendous wealth of information. A wholehearted 'thank you' to those who came here and posted their reviews of the DFP. It's made it a whole new game with a whole new learning curve now. 👍

Ok, now that the cheesy part is over, game on, and I'll see you guys online when it's up and running!!

 

[MasterRusty]

Nice post supergoop 👍

 

[kikie]

The link is not working for me.........

Yep, you're right, the link doesn't work. You can get it at page 56 of this thread. Go to the 18 th post, the one from 9mm. He is the one who posted the original link.

 

[Grégor]

Guys I have the DFP and I must say even with GT3 demo it is great! Next week I will have GT4
I have a small question: do you guys brake and accelerate with the same foot ?(just like in a real car)

 

[Jows73]

Anyone from the UK know whether any Uk retailers will be selling the DFP? I have only seen it on websites and I am not too keen on buying it online. However in case of a last resort has anyone bought the DFP of logitech.co.uk? If so did anyone experience any problems?

👍

 

[johnny9382]

anyone see this racing cockpit...its absolutely sick looking but way to much money for my blood. It would be nice to have one though. Check it out

 

[Gabkicks]

gabkicks : i allways use stick..never paddels...

I was talking to mike k.
why'd you think i was talking to you?
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DRiving Force Vs. Driving Force Pro
Driving Force pro is a much much better wheel.

IF your using 200 mode, the driving force pro's feedback is much stronger than the older wheel's. For 900 mode its weaker.

DFP has more detailed FFB.

 

[MasterRusty]

Anyone from the UK know whether any Uk retailers will be selling the DFP? I have only seen it on websites and I am not too keen on buying it online. However in case of a last resort has anyone bought the DFP of logitech.co.uk? If so did anyone experience any problems?

👍

I think the reason it's not being seen in stores much is because the wheel was actually lanched in the UK before even GT4 Prologue was out on PAL (with a retail of £150 I think) and there was nothing that supported it's new features so there was no point in having expensive peripherals on the shelf that PAL gamers didn't need.
Whether they'll get more widespread once GT4 is officially out on PAL who knows?

 

[johnny9382]

i think what this 72 page thread is trying to say is:

if you don't have the driving force pro wheel, get it now!

 

[supergoop]

IF your using 200 mode, the driving force pro's feedback is much stronger than the older wheel's. For 900 mode its weaker.

How do you select 200 mode for GT4? As far as I know, it is not possible to play GT4 in 200 mode using the DFP. My main interest is using my DFP with GT4. If the DFP can give stronger feedback with GT4 (200 mode or otherwise), that would be good.

 

[Gabkicks]

its freaking hard to drive using 200 mode with the DFP, or maybe i am just not used to 200 mode.. on the 1st page of this damn thread they explain how to change from 200 to 900 mode.. i dunno why people keep asking when it is right on the 1st page.

RIP Darin

 

[Cloud78]

How do I know if my DFP is giving the right amount of FFB?

What are these "drivers"?

Can someone explain everything for me?

 

[jimmit]

Is it just me or does it seem that there is less feedback force in GT4. I have GT3 and I've been playing that till I got GT4 yesterday and when I play GT4 the force is much weaker. In GT3 the wheel would basically fly out of my hand and in GT4 that rarely happens like when I go over a rumble stip or on a rally course

 

[MikeK]

anyone see this racing cockpit...its absolutely sick looking but way to much money for my blood. It would be nice to have one though. Check it out

I actually bought one of those from Walmart.com. I ordered it at the last minute and so when GT4 was released, I waited a few days to play it so that the seat could come in and I could get the whole experience. I'm not skilled enough to build one like the people in the "cheap cockpit alternatives" thread, so I bit the bullet and bought one. I enjoy it a lot.

 

[intelectualism]

anyone see this racing cockpit...its absolutely sick looking but way to much money for my blood. It would be nice to have one though. Check it out

This is the same cockpit they have at Fry's.. My home built one is more stable. IMO that thing is a POS. It was falling apart while playing! (tried it at frys).

 

[supergoop]

its freaking hard to drive using 200 mode with the DFP, or maybe i am just not used to 200 mode..

Do you think DFP's 200 mode is calibrated differently than the 200 mode on the regular DF? Other than the differences in feedback, does anyone think there is any other difference between the DFP and DF in 200 mode?

on the 1st page of this damn thread they explain how to change from 200 to 900 mode.. i dunno why people keep asking when it is right on the 1st page.

My bad... I should've picked up on it. But in my defence, even you said it... it read switching from 200 to 900 mode:

Driving Force Pro Options
- 900 Degree Mode:
SELECT + R3 + RIGHT PADDLE

I didn't realize you can also use the same command to disable 900 mode in GT4 (i.e. switch from 900 to 200 mode).

 

[kingone]

I know im not good along with the topic/replies that are going on now but I wanted to know if I Got a good buy.. from walmart..

Ok this one is called the Driving Force PRO like you guys have.. well i was at walmart one night and found 2 boxes left of the DFP.. and came to my surprise.. that it said it was 149.99 but It was only $80 Bucks.. didnt I get a good buy? ;P

Pardon Me.. im new to the forums so.. I thought id check onto to see if any others got the same deal like I did. or im the only one with the "cheapest one"

 

[SC951]

I just hooked up my DFP with GT4 and I cant get the 900 degree rotation to work. It I've tried imputing the code select R3 right paddle a number of times, the wheel jerks a little but stays in 200 degree mode. Any help would be much apriciated. Thanks

 

[krott5333]

I just hooked up my DFP with GT4 and I cant get the 900 degree rotation to work. It I've tried imputing the code select R3 right paddle a number of times, the wheel jerks a little but stays in 200 degree mode. Any help would be much apriciated. Thanks

hmm... you press select, R3, and the right rear paddle all at once? It should make a loud click sound, like an unlocking sound. If it doesnt, you may have to take it back and try another one.

 

[SC951]

I press all three bottons at the same time but no load click just a twitch from the wheel. Unfortunately I bought my wheel last year and definitely dont have a receipt, maybe logitech would replace it but I would really just like to get it working.

 

[echy]

isnt it 900 degree by default?

 

[Aceisno1]

Hi guys I need your help on this one

I bought a brand new Driving Force Pro wheel almost 3 weeks ago along with GT4 Prologue and the pedals started to crap out !

When you floor the accerlator pedal it is only accerlating 50%......not the full 100%. Therefore you go really really slow! You pull out that serial looking plug from the steering wheel and u plug it back in and works for like 30 seconds or 5 minutes or 20 minutes and it happens again. It was very frustrating so I took it back to the store and got a replacement.

I got the replacement and everything worked fine until today and same problem appears again! and only after a week! It is pissing me off!!

I don't abuse my things and have been gentle with it + I don't get like 3 hours straight to play video games.

I was wondering if you guys have similar problems and are there ways to fix it?
I have read some ppl have problems with the brake pedal.
I dont wanner get another replacement because I think the wheel itself is very good and I want a wheel to play GT4

Please help, it is very frustrating and I want to be ready to play GT4 when it comes out on 10th of March (I'm in Australia)

Btw this is a very cool GT site

Thank You

 

[dawei213]

I just started playing GT4 today. The force feedback with the DFP seems kind of weak. It is on the strongest level. When I played GT3 with the DFP, the force feedback felt alot stronger. Maybe because I played GT3 in 200 degree mode and GT4 is 900 degrees? I am playing on the default settings. I did notice though, that when I start getting lots of speed it gets a little stiffer. But it still feels sort of weak. Is this a problem with my certain game or DFP? Or is everyone getting weak force feedback?
Please help. Thanks.

I decided to toy around with GT3 last night and I found the same thing. THe force feedback is much more stronger in GT3 than GT4. I've set the force feedback to Strong and try both settings on the wheel in GT4 and it's still very weak. I'm not sure why.

 

[dorkempi]

Hello all!
This is my first post. I have been played GT1,2,3, but none of them to a complete 100%.
I'm from Finland. Okay, GT4 is coming out in finland the 9th of March and 'm also gonna buy the driving force(or the pro). My question is: Which one should I buy?
And do the DF's make a difference compared to the normal controller, for example when driving licencetests. (Can you get better results with the DF's?)

 

[Grégor]

Guys I have the DFP and I must say even with GT3 demo it is great! Next week I will have GT4
I have a small question: do you guys brake and accelerate with the same foot ?(just like in a real car)

 

[dawei213]

I do...why not?