Transferring credits from Sport to GT7?

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If you bought a cheeseburger, do you expect to have to buy a cheeseburger again every time you want a cheeseburger, or do you expect it to be free the next time?
I believe he expect sto be able to regurgitate and re-digest said cheeseburger multiple times over, and if it decomposes at any time during that process, no matter how many times it occurs, then it's toxic gastronomy . . .

When I was 5 years old I completed Super Mario 3 on the NES, and now Nintendo doesn't let me carry over all my coins, power ups and 99x lives over to Super Mario Galaxy, such toxic game design.
 
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Oh come on. Don’t act like we don’t have this same convo every time a new GT game comes out, and it’s the same group of people defending PD’s design choices based on wanting everyone to start from scratch, because it somehow creates an this quasi feeling of “working” and “accomplishment” to grind credits for the exact same car we had in the previous game. I know you know exactly what I’m referring to, and it’s frustrating because you will call out the hypocrisy of those people on this forum, but you won’t carry that same sentiment to holding PD accountable for making better design decisions.
Is it really? This thread is only 2 pages long and the vast majority are actually for it, not against it. What are you actually reading? You're grasping here. There's nothing to hold anyone accountable for here. Games have gotten by just fine without it, I feel, but either way, I was never fully against it in the first place.

Because it hinders an aspect of the online community.

Online racing will have to grind to a near standstill while we wait for the player base to grind credits to unlock the same race cars we’ve been using for the last 5 years.
How? Aren't they already giving credit and rewards for just basically pre ordering? Don't you get free vehicles? So your argument is that you don't want to wait for people to get more cars to race online with? With a game that sells in the millions, I don't think that's as prominent of a situation. With a game that has upwards of 400 cars, you can't find cars you haven't used before? You drive every single car regularly? I find that amazing.

The vintage Le Mans cars being locked behind 20mil credits means that for the entire GTS lifespan, we have never reached a point where enough people have these cars to be able to have full lobbies of historic Le Mans cars. We’re going to be forced to start that grind all over again, which means we will probably never see full lobbies of vintage Le Mans cars.
Well I mean that can be fixed by simply adding in some sort of "rent" feature online. Seems pretty easy to fix and it would solve every single one of the problems you listed.

In addition, if nothing will transfer, it complete kills all motivation to continue to try to unlock these cars in GTS.
Well considering that it was never a promise ever, I fail to see how that will affect you now. Sounds like your fault for assuming something that actually hasn't happened and imagining it automatically being a thing. Weird how it never stops anyone on any other game though, only GT.

People continue to only think about the way they play the game themselves, without giving a single ounce of consideration to how others might approach the game.
Like who? Not the vast majority of this thread, that's for sure.
 
Don’t act like we don’t have this same convo every time a new GT game comes out
I don't recall a convo about transferring GT6 progress to GT Sport at all. There may have been one (or more) about GT5-GT6 and indeed GT4-GT5 - given the relatively similar car lists and GT4's loyalty bonuses from GT3/GT4P, but I don't really recall. They were 8 years ago at best.
and it’s the same group of people defending PD’s design choices based on wanting everyone to start from scratch, because it somehow creates an this quasi feeling of “working” and “accomplishment” to grind credits for the exact same car we had in the previous game.
If you say so, but it's not in this thread. Kicking off at people in this thread about things they haven't said is... unhelpful. It's actually a specific fallacy known as a "strawman" - you're attacking an argument they haven't made (which is the eponymous man made of straw) rather than the ones that they have made.
I know you know exactly what I’m referring to, and it’s frustrating because you will call out the hypocrisy of those people on this forum, but you won’t carry that same sentiment to holding PD accountable for making better design decisions.
I don't, and I don't really care about the design decisions right here because not only can I not do anything about them, that's not the fundamental premise of this thread. The thread asks if there is a facility for transferring save data and the answer is "we don't know, but probably not".

If you ask me if I'd want such a facility, I'd say I don't really care. If you ask me if I'm against such a facility, I'd say I don't really care. If you ask me if I'd use such a facility if it existed, I'd say I probably would on at least one account and not on at least one account. But the thread is about whether there is a transfer or not, rather than soliciting opinions about its merit.

As I pointed out in my previous post, there's no suggestion there is one, Yamauchi has seemed to hint that there isn't one, and there hasn't been one in the entire history of GT (GT3/4P to GT4 was called a "transfer" but was a fixed loyalty bonus of 100,000cr/completed B Licences) - all of which you'll hopefully agree is the reality and objective.

Expecting there to be a transfer facility - and more so expecting that paid DLC licences will be expanded to cover a different piece of software - is thus denial of reality and pretty much going to end only in disappointment. Hoping for it is... well, your mileage may vary, and optimism is usually better than pessimism, but you'll probably end up let down.


I don't really know why we have to have this thing where people are kicking off at each other about it.
 
Well I mean that can be fixed by simply adding in some sort of "rent" feature online. Seems pretty easy to fix and it would solve every single one of the problems you listed.
I mean... there's that but also, a lot of people have gotten either one or all of those 20million cars via the Daily Workout rewards.
 
I don't think data transfer is necessary.

Project Cars 3 has got this sorted for both camps here. You buy your cars for career progression and any tuning aspects of the game but all cars available for the Multiplayer online and Custom Events in stock form. You can also use your tuned garage cars for all aspects of the game.
 
Yup high level of entitlement confirmed…

It’s the games system to race to earn credits to buy desirable cars, it not going to be given to you,

New game, new career/start from scratch
This is exactly the one dimensional thinking I’m talking about. Completely unable to put themselves in the position of someone who approaches the game differently.

For those of us who focus mostly on online play, and who have actual lives outside of GT, we don’t necessarily want to regrind for all those same cars. It has taken me literal years to get all the cars I need for online racing. There is no reason that I should have to abandon using those cars for another several months to years, simply because they’re replacing S with 7. It’s the same damn game, same cars, same tracks, same online activities.

It is beyond entitled to assume that every person has the time to regrind the same things we’ve been using for the last 5 years.
 
if you renew your membership at the same golf club you’ve always been a member of, would you expect to rebuy all new golf clubs, just because you renewed your membership?
I don't own golf clubs.

Seriously, I already posted about it not being a problem, for me, as an option. However, I've faced the music that it's not going to happen. I'm seeing GT7 as a fresh start to a new adventure.
I'll build an S-Tai spec Demio XD and see if I can terrorize some GR86s in the lobbies. ;)
 
This is exactly the one dimensional thinking I’m talking about. Completely unable to put themselves in the position of someone who approaches the game differently.

For those of us who focus mostly on online play, and who have actual lives outside of GT, we don’t necessarily want to regrind for all those same cars. It has taken me literal years to get all the cars I need for online racing. There is no reason that I should have to abandon using those cars for another several months to years, simply because they’re replacing S with 7. It’s the same damn game, same cars, same tracks, same online activities.

It is beyond entitled to assume that every person has the time to regrind the same things we’ve been using for the last 5 years.
So now they're accusing people of being one dimensional thinkers, playing the victim card of "you don't know what it's like!" variety, then accusing other people of not having lives away from the forum purely because all but two members in the thread have higher post counts...

If you've got a life away from this forum (allegedly), then maybe you shouldn't devote so much time completely losing it over a thread on a forum?

If you don't have time to unlock cars in a game, then maybe manage your time a bit better? Or you know? Take the game a bit less seriously and stop acting like your life depends on being able to transfer content? It is possible to do some things on a casual basis.

I love Destiny 2 but don't have the time to do some of the longer quests and strikes, but do I go on the Bungie forums and demand that they giveaway content for free just because I had most of the exotics in Destiny 1? No, because I've opted to play it on a casual basis.
 
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I don't think data transfer is necessary.

Project Cars 3 has got this sorted for both camps here. You buy your cars for career progression and any tuning aspects of the game but all cars available for the Multiplayer online and Custom Events in stock form. You can also use your tuned garage cars for all aspects of the game.
This, 1000%

But we know that won’t be the case in GT7, and furthermore, the exact same people who are saying “new game, start over” will put forth bogus reasoning that giving away the cars in game for free (to use online) goes against “GT philosophy” where players have to “work” to “earn” cars to use online (translated, strap a rubber band to your controller to exploit whatever glitch the community has discovered).

If myself and others could “rent” a Ferrari or Jaguar Le Mans car to use in online lobbies, I would be happy and wouldn’t be saying a thing. But that isn’t the case, and there are people who would literally be upset by a system like that, as again, that would somehow remove an imagined sense of value of the cars that they “worked” so hard to unlock (ie, did Blue Moon Bay 500 times).

So now they're accusing people of being one dimensional thinkers, playing the victim card of "you don't know what it's like!" variety, then accusing other people of not having lives away from the forum purely because all but two members in the thread have higher post counts...

If you've got a life away from this forum (allegedly), then maybe you shouldn't devote so much time completely losing it over a thread on a forum?

If you don't have time to unlock cars in a game, then maybe manage your time a bit better? Or you know? Take the game a bit less seriously and stop acting like your life depends on being able to transfer content? It is possible to do some things on a casual basis.
Ahh yes, I should manage my time better. What are you, 14??

I don’t take the game that seriously, which is why it took me years to unlock certain cars. Certain cars that took years to unlock, and then had nothing to do with them because not enough other people unlocked them as well.

I’ve been a member of this forum for almost 10 years. A high post count shouldn’t be surprising. Also not sure what the hell that has to do with anything.
 
Ahh yes, I should manage my time better. What are you, 14??

I don’t take the game that seriously, which is why it took me years to unlock certain cars. Certain cars that took years to unlock, and then had nothing to do with them because not enough other people unlocked them as well.

I’ve been a member of this forum for almost 10 years. A high post count shouldn’t be surprising. Also not sure what the hell that has to do with anything.
"What are you 14??" - Actually I'm a creative professional who usually leads projects, I hear people claiming they don't have time for something and I immediately smell BS from them. So yes, I do think you should manage your time better, and what?

You're claiming you don't take the game seriously (congratulations on 10 years? Want a cookie or a badge for that?) yet you're pretty much having a panic attack in this thread and attacking multiple people indirectly and directly over the most smallest inconsequential thing in relation to the grander scheme of Gran Turismo 7, even though the question that this thread is asking, as re-iterated multiple times by @Famine, is : "WE DON'T KNOW"

Here it is in a larger font incase you didn't read it the first time:

"Is there credit transfer between GT Sport and GT7?" - "We don't know"

Do you finally understand that or would you like us to place a billboard outside your window?
 
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This is exactly the one dimensional thinking I’m talking about. Completely unable to put themselves in the position of someone who approaches the game differently.
So? It's just an opinion. You disagree, that's fine.

For those of us who focus mostly on online play, and who have actual lives outside of GT, we don’t necessarily want to regrind for all those same cars. It has taken me literal years to get all the cars I need for online racing. There is no reason that I should have to abandon using those cars for another several months to years, simply because they’re replacing S with 7. It’s the same damn game, same cars, same tracks, same online activities.
You can also fight for the option to have them make all cars available to rent/test online then. Should work just fine if the option to transfer isn't inserted into the game. Have you ever thought to put some effort into that as well, or are you just going to complain about the fact that we wouldn't be able to transfer everything?

It is beyond entitled to assume that every person has the time to regrind the same things we’ve been using for the last 5 years.
No it's not. If you have such a massive lack of time, video games shouldn't be your first thought of the day I would imagine. Not having that time shouldn't be anyone else's issue either.

This, 1000%

But we know that won’t be the case in GT7, and furthermore, the exact same people who are saying “new game, start over” will put forth bogus reasoning that giving away the cars in game for free (to use online) goes against “GT philosophy” where players have to “work” to “earn” cars to use online (translated, strap a rubber band to your controller to exploit whatever glitch the community has discovered).
Do you constantly make up situations to make an argument about? You're creating a hypothetical response to things people aren't saying, and things you'd have absolutely no clue about. Again, the vast majority of people aren't even disagreeing with the fact that transfers could/should be an option. So it makes little sense why you actually keep doubling down on that.

If myself and others could “rent” a Ferrari or Jaguar Le Mans car to use in online lobbies, I would be happy and wouldn’t be saying a thing. But that isn’t the case, and there are people who would literally be upset by a system like that, as again, that would somehow remove an imagined sense of value of the cars that they “worked” so hard to unlock (ie, did Blue Moon Bay 500 times).
Then why aren't you spending time asking for better feature like that instead of complaining against 2 people that don't feel that transfers should happen? There you go making up things again to try to make yourself feel better about your point of view.

Ahh yes, I should manage my time better. What are you, 14??
I mean, yeah, you should. If you have a tremendous lack of time like you're making it out to be, than you shouldn't be trying to put video games first it sounds like, and then getting upset that you don't have time to play them. That's not to say that I think that GT has the perfect economy balance, but that's for another thread.

I don’t take the game that seriously, which is why it took me years to unlock certain cars. Certain cars that took years to unlock, and then had nothing to do with them because not enough other people unlocked them as well.
Are you sure it's because no one unlocked them? How do you figure that?
 
Do you constantly make up situations to make an argument about? You're creating a hypothetical response to things people aren't saying, and things you'd have absolutely no clue about. Again, the vast majority of people aren't even disagreeing with the fact that transfers could/should be an option. So it makes little sense why you actually keep doubling down on that.
"Mental Gymnastics is a miraculous mental process of weaving intricate threads of reasoning in complex, tangential, and often contradictory ways to give the mental gymnast the illusion that they have resolved the cognitive dissonance stemming from objective facts debunking their firmly held beliefs, thereby allowing the mental gymnast to continue on with life still holding onto the flawed beliefs while still acknowledging the objective facts."

There was a thread-ending answer, but they're still going...
 
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So? It's just an opinion. You disagree, that's fine.


You can also fight for the option to have them make all cars available to rent/test online then. Should work just fine if the option to transfer isn't inserted into the game. Have you ever thought to put some effort into that as well, or are you just going to complain about the fact that we wouldn't be able to transfer everything?


No it's not. If you have such a massive lack of time, video games shouldn't be your first thought of the day I would imagine. Not having that time shouldn't be anyone else's issue either.


Do you constantly make up situations to make an argument about? You're creating a hypothetical response to things people aren't saying, and things you'd have absolutely no clue about. Again, the vast majority of people aren't even disagreeing with the fact that transfers could/should be an option. So it makes little sense why you actually keep doubling down on that.


Then why aren't you spending time asking for better feature like that instead of complaining against 2 people that don't feel that transfers should happen? There you go making up things again to try to make yourself feel better about your point of view.


I mean, yeah, you should. If you have a tremendous lack of time like you're making it out to be, than you shouldn't be trying to put video games first it sounds like, and then getting upset that you don't have time to play them. That's not to say that I think that GT has the perfect economy balance, but that's for another thread.


Are you sure it's because no one unlocked them? How do you figure that?
"What are you 14??" - Actually I'm a creative professional who usually leads projects, I hear people claiming they don't have time for something and I immediately smell BS from them. So yes, I do think you should manage your time better, and what?

You're claiming you don't take the game seriously (congratulations on 10 years? Want a cookie or a badge for that?) yet you're pretty much having a panic attack in this thread and attacking multiple people indirectly and directly over the most smallest inconsequential thing in relation to the grander scheme of Gran Turismo 7, even though the question that this thread is asking, as re-iterated multiple times by @Famine, is : "WE DON'T KNOW"

Here it is in a larger font incase you didn't read it the first time:

"Is there credit transfer between GT Sport and GT7?" - "We don't know"

Do you finally understand that or would you like us to place a billboard outside your window?
Could you two be any more arrogant, pretending you know a single damn thing about my life to even think of suggesting that I should manage my time better. You haven’t got a clue what I juggle. Online racing is a small escape for me, not the focal point of my life, and the release of GT7 with no content transfer will seriously hinder my enjoyment of my hobby that I get to partake in for a couple hours per week.
 
I honestly don't care, you're just making mediocre and uncreative excuses for your behaviour in this thread.
Exactly. You don’t give a crap about how PD’s design decisions impact other people, you only care about yourself. Which was my point from the very beginning.
 
Exactly. You don’t give a crap about how PD’s design decisions impact other people, you only care about yourself. Which was my point from the very beginning.
Riiiight, so Polyphony Digital should redesign an entire game for the needs of one specific person and their baggage otherwise it's toxic game design... mental gymnastics indeed.

BRB, going to to demand that SEGA remove all Japanese from Yakuza because I can't read or understand Japanese.
 
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Could you two be any more arrogant, pretending you know a single damn thing about my life to even think of suggesting that I should manage my time better. You haven’t got a clue what I juggle. Online racing is a small escape for me, not the focal point of my life, and the release of GT7 with no content transfer will seriously hinder my enjoyment of my hobby that I get to partake in for a couple hours per week.
I mean it's hilarious how much you project here. I don't know a single thing about your life besides the fact that you keep mentioning you have such small amounts to play. You've literally said it, so what exactly is the issue with acknowledging that? Not only that, but why would you get mad at someone acknowledging something you said. That's a problem you introduced, no one else.

Well, we already know that outside of pre order rewards that seemingly give you a ton of credits, you aren't going to be allowed to transfer anything, or that's what it's looking like. I think your time would be more well spent pushing for the online rent feature instead of arguing against people, when most of the thread isn't even disagreeing with you in the first place.

Exactly. You don’t give a crap about how PD’s design decisions impact other people, you only care about yourself. Which was my point from the very beginning.
I would understand if it was something game breaking, not being mad at a developer because they expect you to play their new game from scratch. I disagree with outright transfers, but always felt they should do loyalty rewards in some way.
 
if you renew your membership at the same golf club you’ve always been a member of, would you expect to rebuy all new golf clubs, just because you renewed your membership?
Not a great analogy, because you never own the content you buy in a game, you are buying the right or license to use that content. So it's more like renting golf clubs at one golf club, then going to another golf club afterwards and having to rent their clubs. Yes you already paid to rent clubs at the first one, but that has nothing to do with renting clubs at the second club.
 
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Not a great analogy, because you never own the content you buy in a game, you are buying the right or license to use that content. So it's more like renting golf clubs at one golf club, then going to another golf club afterwards and having to rent their clubs. Yes you already paid to rent clubs at the first one, but that has nothing to do with renting clubs at the second club.
The way he behaves gives the impression that he thinks buying a game gives him sort of fiduciary authority over Polyphony Digital.

Similar to people who attend sports events and throw their weight around because "I pay your wages pal!"
 
The way he behaves gives the impression that he thinks buying a game gives him sort of fiduciary authority over Polyphony Digital.

Similar to people who attend sports events and throw their weight around because "I pay your wages pal!"
I do understand some people think that when you buy a game or DLC for the game you own that content, but that's just not the case.

From a purely consumers point of view, I also can see why someone might want DLC purchased in one game to carry over into the next, it's just completely unprecedented and therefore shouldn't be close to an expectation without some form of confirmation first.

Personally I think the closest thing anyone is going to get to a credit transfer is the pre-order bonus credits that are availalbe.

It wouldn't bother me if people could transfer credits from GT Sport to GT7, I don't know if I would do that, probably not at the start of the game, but I'd be tempted once I hit a bit of a grind. But regardless, I do not expect such a function to be possible.
 
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The way he behaves gives the impression that he thinks buying a game gives him sort of fiduciary authority over Polyphony Digital.

Similar to people who attend sports events and throw their weight around because "I pay your wages pal!"
That’s not how I’m approaching this at all.

PD doesn’t owe me anything. I simply would like to see them make design choices which don’t negatively impact certain portions of the GT community.

But continue to make your assumptions.
 
That’s not how I’m approaching this at all.

PD doesn’t owe me anything. I simply would like to see them make design choices which don’t negatively impact certain portions of the GT community.

But continue to make your assumptions.
You accused Polyphony Digital of "toxic game development" purely because they didn't tailor the game around your personal needs and are now trying to disguise it as thinking on the behalf of the rest of the community.
 
That’s not how I’m approaching this at all.

PD doesn’t owe me anything. I simply would like to see them make design choices which don’t negatively impact certain portions of the GT community.

But continue to make your assumptions.
It's not negatively affecting you, as your time is no one's concern but your own. That you have things in your life taking up all your time isn't a reason to call a relatively light hearted feature being missing a negative aspect for the whole community. It would be a nice option, but I fail to see how it's a negative aspect. They're already doing things to alleviate that by offering millions of credits and cars for simply buying the game which is just as good a bonus as any of these other games.

That it's negatively affecting the GT community sounds like an assumption.
 
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You accused Polyphony Digital of "toxic game development" purely because they didn't tailor the game around your personal needs and are now trying to disguise it as thinking on the behalf of the rest of the community.
It is toxic game design, the same as call of duty or an EA sports title. Releasing the same content under a new name, and calling it a “new game”.

You’re delusional and completely out of touch if you think I’m the only person not excited to start the grind over again.

It's not negatively affecting you, as your time is no one's concern but your own. That you have things in your life taking up all your time isn't a reason to call a relatively light hearted feature being missing a negative aspect for the whole community. It would be a nice option, but I fail to see how it's a negative aspect. They're already doing things to alleviate that by offering millions of credits and cars for simply buying the game which is just as good a bonus as any of these other games.

That it's negatively affecting the GT community sounds like an assumption.
All I’m asking for is the OPTION to transfer content. More options are always in the best interest of the overall community, since there is no “correct” way to play this game. And y’all out here acting like I said PD owes me something.

I just want options, that’s all.

Edit: furthermore, I ALWAYS approach these topics from the point of view of what’s best for the most amount of people. That’s always been my style on these forums.

I’m not a master livery designer, but I think it’s BS that livery designers will have to start from scratch.

I don’t drag race, but I think it’s BS that PD has ignored the drag racing aspect of motorsport going back to GT5.

You don’t know Jack squat about me, so stop making assumptions about my lifestyle and motivations, it doesn’t do your argument any good.
 
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All I’m asking for is the OPTION to transfer content. More options are always in the best interest of the overall community, since there is no “correct” way to play this game. And y’all out here acting like I said PD owes me something.

I just want options, that’s all.
I know you are, I never disagreed with an option outright - would have been obvious if you actually responded to things that people said instead of ignoring it and making up situations that no one brought up. I couldn't care less if it was there or not, it wouldn't bother me a bit. I just feel loyalty rewards was more fitting then giving everyone free reign over the massive amounts of millions people would have accumulated over the span of 5 years of playing a game. And you're out here making up things to try to push a point.

Still doesn't make it a big negative like you're pointing it out to be, though. Would have been nice for those that wanted it? Damn right it would be, but it not being included isn't negatively affecting the game.

You don’t know Jack squat about me, so stop making assumptions about my lifestyle and motivations, it doesn’t do your argument any good.
You're right, all I know is what you said, which is all I remarked on(which again would have been obvious had you read, well, anything at this point) - If you don't want people to remark on that, then go write in a journal. Making up things doesn't do your argument any good, so try responding to things people are actually saying instead of ignoring everything and shouting the same made up things louder.

I'd like to ask something though. You say its for the good of the whole community, but how would that be beneficial for those that are on their first GT game ever? I think the pre-order incentives are doing a much better job at giving the whole community a jump-start, rather than only those that have played before. If they can combine those pre-order incentives with loyalty rewards, than that's also a plus. Not that I'm against the option of transfers outright, although you'll try to make up something that wasn't said and try to spin that, again.
 
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It is toxic game design, the same as call of duty or an EA sports title. Releasing the same content under a new name, and calling it a “new game”.

You’re delusional and completely out of touch if you think I’m the only person not excited to start the grind over again.


All I’m asking for is the OPTION to transfer content. More options are always in the best interest of the overall community, since there is no “correct” way to play this game. And y’all out here acting like I said PD owes me something.

I just want options, that’s all.

Edit: furthermore, I ALWAYS approach these topics from the point of view of what’s best for the most amount of people. That’s always been my style on these forums.

I’m not a master livery designer, but I think it’s BS that livery designers will have to start from scratch.

I don’t drag race, but I think it’s BS that PD has ignored the drag racing aspect of motorsport going back to GT5.

You don’t know Jack squat about me, so stop making assumptions about my lifestyle and motivations, it doesn’t do your argument any good.
The others are being too nice on you,

Don’t like it, don’t play it, your opinion is yours and when you talk about others sharing it that’s definitely a minority otherwise the game design of most games would cater for it,

Stop being butt hurt, manage your time better
 
I know you are, I never disagreed with an option outright - would have been obvious if you actually responded to things that people said instead of ignoring it and making up situations that no one brought up. I couldn't care less if it was there or not, it wouldn't bother me a bit. I just feel loyalty rewards was more fitting then giving everyone free reign over the massive amounts of millions people would have accumulated over the span of 5 years of playing a game. And you're out here making up things to try to push a point.

Still doesn't make it a big negative like you're pointing it out to be, though. Would have been nice for those that wanted it? Damn right it would be, but it not being included isn't negatively affecting the game.
It does negatively impact the game. Maybe not for you, but it does for me, and many others who focus primarily on online and have little to no interest in the single player grind (the exact same single player grind we were forced to slog through in 5, again in 6, and again in Sport).
 
It does negatively impact the game. Maybe not for you, but it does for me, and many others who focus primarily on online and have little to no interest in the single player grind (the exact same single player grind we were forced to slog through in 5, again in 6, and again in Sport).
No it doesn't. It's not negatively affecting anything other than your entitlement of wanting everything for free on the next game. The game still functions perfectly fine and works 100% as intended. So it's affecting your personal preferences, not the actual game itself like you're claiming for the community. It's easy to point out that it's not negatively or positively affecting the game at all, because if they simply add an option to be able to rent all cars online then whatever they do about transfering credits would be a non existent issue, as it was from the get go. It's a personal preference, but its not a problem of the game that it doesn't have it.

This game's whole schtick has been about progressing your way from the bottom, so if that's the problem you have with it, I think you might be better off playing sim oriented games as they seem to lack the actual progression, and the "starting from the bottom and working your way up" schtick they've been aiming for from the get go.
 
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The others are being too nice on you,

Don’t like it, don’t play it, your opinion is yours and when you talk about others sharing it that’s definitely a minority otherwise the game design of most games would cater for it,

Stop being butt hurt, manage your time better
You’re a selfish child.
I know you are, I never disagreed with an option outright - would have been obvious if you actually responded to things that people said instead of ignoring it and making up situations that no one brought up. I couldn't care less if it was there or not, it wouldn't bother me a bit. I just feel loyalty rewards was more fitting then giving everyone free reign over the massive amounts of millions people would have accumulated over the span of 5 years of playing a game. And you're out here making up things to try to push a point.

Still doesn't make it a big negative like you're pointing it out to be, though. Would have been nice for those that wanted it? Damn right it would be, but it not being included isn't negatively affecting the game.


You're right, all I know is what you said, which is all I remarked on(which again would have been obvious had you read, well, anything at this point) - If you don't want people to remark on that, then go write in a journal. Making up things doesn't do your argument any good, so try responding to things people are actually saying instead of ignoring everything and shouting the same made up things louder.

I'd like to ask something though. You say its for the good of the whole community, but how would that be beneficial for those that are on their first GT game ever? I think the pre-order incentives are doing a much better job at giving the whole community a jump-start, rather than only those that have played before. If they can combine those pre-order incentives with loyalty rewards, than that's also a plus. Not that I'm against the option of transfers outright, although you'll try to make up something that wasn't said and try to spin that, again.
In regards to your question, how does it help new players. It doesn’t, but it doesn’t negatively impact them either.

Forcing everyone to start GT7 from scratch does negatively impact a potion of the player base.

Also, I haven’t made anything up. Yes, I introduced a couple things that people have argued about on this forum for literally years in dozens of threads, I thought some of you could handle some broader context, but I guess I expected too much of the GTP crowd.
 
You’re a selfish child.

In regards to your question, how does it help new players. It doesn’t, but it doesn’t negatively impact them either.

Forcing everyone to start GT7 from scratch does negatively impact a potion of the player base.

Also, I haven’t made anything up. Yes, I introduced a couple things that people have argued about on this forum for literally years in dozens of threads, I thought some of you could handle some broader context, but I guess I expected too much of the GTP crowd.
Forcing someone to start a new game from scratch… damn pretty much every video game should of flopped in sales then
 
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