TT #45: 550PP Italian Cars: Monza Circuit/400PP Mazda Raceway Laguna

[Penelope]

Thanks for the loan of the car cargorat, got me to 28th at Laguna, very nicely setup :-D

 

[te?]

... I just put one on share and sent a fr

Thanks! Will accept once i go online! Cheers bro! 👍

 

[Wavne]

Also, just a tip that works for me. Whan coming to the last left hander before the straight to the finish line, I get down shifted to 2nd going in then hit 3rd full throttle at or just a hair after apex. I have picked up a little over .100 just in that one corner alone by hitting it just right. Also, if you can take the right hander just before that in 5th gear keeping the revs up, you can pick up time there also. This is using my trans settings of course. Going to have another quick go. Tomorrow is grand daughter day so gotta get my time in now, lol. Peace and good luck everyone.

EDIT: Improved my time by about another .300. Now at 36th place with a time of 1:41.996. If I could get a good run on the corkscrew, I could gain some more time. Thats it for me tonight. Back at it tomorrow evening. Peace.

I was doing the last corner in 2nd, then started trying it the way you just mentioned. Trying your new and improved tune out now. I'm finding it harder to keep the back end from slipping out. I just moved the ballast to +5 and the LSD accel to 44. That seems to help. I'm probably turning too soon in the corners. I'm going to put some more laps in and change it back once I get more used to it.

 

[krenkme]

As a request from a friend I tuned a GSX-R . If you'd like to give it a go here it is

WHAT TO BUY -
Fully custom transmission
All drivetrain parts
Fully custom suspension

TUNE

FRONT/REAR

Ride hight: -15/-10
Spring Rate: 6.2/5.5
Extention: 7/4
Compression: 3/3
ARB: 5/5
Camber: 1.2/1.9
Toe: -0.21/0.12

Reset to default
Top speed - 124
1st - 4.480
2nd - 3.390
3rd - 2.680
4th - 2.150
5th - 1.785
6th - 1.543
Final - 5.200
Adjust for speed using final gear

LSD - 8/10/10

Ballast : 200 @ 0
power limiter 68.8%

Hope it helps some

 

[Wavne]

@krenkme - Nice tune!

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I used Ferrari 458 Italia for the Monza 550pp time trial, the car originally had a wing installed, but the on the high speed track like Monza, it didn't help much. So I removed it, and did several laps, no ABS, no other aids, with stick controller, manual, my best time is : 1:56.610.

Top speed on the main straight before Variante del Rettifilo is 170/171 mph, on the back straight is 160/162 mph, before Variante Ascari is 159/160 mph, before Variante della Roggia is 150+ mph.

I have some slow section, with a better run 1:55.xxx is possible. I will list my tune below and some pictures of braking points for reference to both ABS & non ABS driver.

TUNE :

Ferrari 458 Italia '09 : Misty Blue Metallic: 6xx miles

Specs
Horsepower: 463 hp at 6500 RPM
Torque: 427 lb-ft at 5700 RPM
Weight: 1260 kg
Performance Points: 550
Power Limiter : 73%

Tuning Parts Installed

Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Hood:Body Color
Chassis Reinforcement
ECU Tuning
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Full Custom Transmission
Clutch Twin Plate
Flywheel:Semi Racing
Adjustable LSD
Suspension Full Custom Kit

Sports Hard Tires

No Aero - no Downforce

Ballast Amount: 28 kg
Ballast Position: -50
Weight Balance : 43/57

Transmission

Move Final to the right until max 6.500
Move top speed the left until min 137

Adjust gear :
1st : 3.000
2nd : 2.025
3rd : 1.587
4th : 1.286
5th : 1.078
6th : 0.934
7th : 0.810

Move the Final to 4.900 - top speed at the graph : 198 mph


LSD

Initial Torque: 60
Acceleration Sensitivity: 5
Braking Sensitivity: 7

Suspension
Front, Rear
Ride Height: (-20), (-20)
Spring Rate: 9.5, 10.2
Dampers (Extension): 7, 7
Dampers (Compression): 6, 8
Anti-Roll Bars: 7, 6
Camber Angle: 1.0, 0.6
Toe Angle: 0.00, 0.00

Brakes
F/R : 10, 6


Braking point guide - these were braking point with the above tune and no ABS, with BB : 10/6. All in chronological order :


Variante del Rettifilo : Brake just before 200m sign

Variante della Roggia : Brake just after the 200m sign and right before the bridge

Curve di Lesmo 1st right : Brake right on the last tree shadow on the straight

Curve di Lesmo 2nd right : Brake just before 50m sign

Variante Ascari: Brake right after passing the 200m sign

Curva Parabolica : Brake just before the green patch on the left trackside.

Okay, I hope the tune could help those who use the car and the braking reference could give hints to how late braking can be done.

Okay, anyone want to try the car, I have it on share, send FR to GTP_Orido, it wont compete with the Gallardo, but if you want gold with 458, this will do it easily.

 

[Dalone]

Wow Ridox, I'm using a Gallardo but liked what you had done, good on ya.

 

[Peasantslayer]

If anyone needs a dirty oil GSX-R I've got one up for borrowing. 👍

 

[Lou8ball]

If anyone needs a dirty oil GSX-R I've got one up for borrowing. 👍

I was just gonna post if anyone knows how many miles it takes to get the oil dirty, and roughly how much time it makes up on the lap.

Is your psn just your username in the forum, Id like to give your car a try. Im currently at 1'42.180 I think, could get about half a second if I nail the lap with my current car. But so many places to loose time.

 

[Peasantslayer]

I was just gonna post if anyone knows how many miles it takes to get the oil dirty, and roughly how much time it makes up on the lap.

Is your psn just your username in the forum, Id like to give your car a try. Im currently at 1'42.180 I think, could get about half a second if I nail the lap with my current car. But so many places to loose time.

Yes that is my PSN ID, I don't know how many miles it takes to get dirty oil because I got it from the marketplace.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I was doing the last corner in 2nd, then started trying it the way you just mentioned. Trying your new and improved tune out now. I'm finding it harder to keep the back end from slipping out. I just moved the ballast to +5 and the LSD accel to 44. That seems to help. I'm probably turning too soon in the corners. I'm going to put some more laps in and change it back once I get more used to it.

When entering that last corner, I start off as wide as I can be, then turn in aiming for the apex. I round it off as much as I can, using as much of the curbs as I can.

@ Penelope: You're welcome. Glad it worked for you.

@Peasantslayer: Tried your car with my setup and it seemed to handle worse than my car. Probably due to you adding the chassis reinforcement or if you did not perform the chassis renewl after running all those miles. A combination of one or both of those will definately make a car handle differently. Gotta get ready foe grand-daughter visit. Peace.

 

[Penelope]

If anyone needs a dirty oil GSX-R I've got one up for borrowing. 👍

We would if you were not so popular and had room for a few more :-( lol

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Thanks for the loan of the car cargorat, got me to 28th at Laguna, very nicely setup :-D

28th uh? Just when I was starting to catch you. Looks like my generosity is coming back to bite me in the ass, lol. No worries, just makes me push that much harder.

EDIT: @ Peasantslayer: With dirty oil, your car only has 2 more HP than mine which, at a track like this, doesn't really amount to much. No real advantage in this case. Mine has more torque which could explain my better lap times with my car as opposed to when I tried yours with my exact tune.
@ krenkme: at 200 ballast, I don't understand why you have to power limit more than me if you didn't add any performance parts. Thanks for sharing and I'll give it a try later, but I was just wondering about that. Peace.

 

[Peasantslayer]

We would if you were not so popular and had room for a few more :-( lol

Sorry I don't understand you, my friends list isn't full is it? Multiple people can borrow the same car can't they?

EDIT: @ Peasantslayer: With dirty oil, your car only has 2 more HP than mine which, at a track like this, doesn't really amount to much. No real advantage in this case. Mine has more torque which could explain my better lap times with my car as opposed to when I tried yours with my exact tune.

That's odd, the Honda Beat is a similar car and that benefited from dirty oil at a recent time trial. IIRC Silex95 had clean oil at Daytona and he won that so perhaps clean oil is better in the GSX-R's case, I'll keep it up just incase people want to try.

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

Ive managed 1 min 48`088 with the with the toyota 86 GT `12 on laguna seca i should be able to get into the 47`s

 

[Doodle]

Thanks cargo for the tune. I used it on Peasant's car and I got a 1:40.853 good enough for 5th at the moment. I think I can get in the .5 range but it will take some effort

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Sorry I don't understand you, my friends list isn't full is it? Multiple people can borrow the same car can't they?



That's odd, the Honda Beat is a similar car and that benefited from dirty oil at a recent time trial. IIRC Silex95 had clean oil at Daytona and he won that so perhaps clean oil is better in the GSX-R's case, I'll keep it up just incase people want to try.

Did you do an initial oil change then run it? From my past experience and testing cars with dirty oil, don't do an initial oil change and also, you really need to be around 15,000 miles before you get any substantial advantage in having dirty oil.

EDIT: @ doodle: You're welcome and congrats on the improvement. Like I said before regarding Peasantslayer's car, I think its the addition of the chassis reinforcement that he added thats throwing off the handling for me. That part really makes a difference in this car. Can be good or bad depending on your driving style or what you're used to.

 

[krenkme]

@krenkme - Nice tune!

Thanks. I have yet to try it in the TT (I like having my Ram as my gold time )

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Still waiting on your fr Dynamite_Dave. Going to be away in a few so if you wanna borrow the car, better send fr soon.

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

Still waiting on your fr Dynamite_Dave. Going to be away in a few so if you wanna borrow the car, better send fr soon.

ah ok will do , sorry got carried away, i got a 1 min 47.887 , *looks around* gosh im standing among gods!

 

[Penelope]

Sorry I don't understand you, my friends list isn't full is it? Multiple people can borrow the same car can't they?

Yes it's full and yes your entire friends list can use the car. Don't worry as I think I have peaked anyway ;-)

 

[Peasantslayer]

Yes it's full and yes your entire friends list can use the car. Don't worry as I think I have peaked anyway ;-)

Ok, I've cleared out some people who haven't signed in for over a year if you still want to try.

Did you do an initial oil change then run it? From my past experience and testing cars with dirty oil, don't do an initial oil change and also, you really need to be around 15,000 miles before you get any substantial advantage in having dirty oil.

I got it from the marketplace so I have no idea.

 

[sephia412]

550bhp...
Step 1) Transmission put the final gear all to the right.
Step 2) Put the top speed all the way to the left / min speed
Step 3) insert the transmission number in each gear.
Step 4) adjust the final gear to the top speed of your car on the track
Cbastjan

Sorry to bother you but I can not get the gear ratio even following in his steps.

What parts have you been installed on the engine?, have you changed the oil in my car?


Thanks for responding 👍

 

[jedikeeper]

Hey Here is my tune for Monza Gallardo.

550 bhp
Ballast everything installed, +150kg and 50 in the back (1319kg)
RH, 40, -20
SR 14.0, 12.0
Dampers Ext 8, 6
Dampers comp 6, 4
Anti-Roll bars 1, 2
Camber and toe, 2.2, 1.7 Toe 0.05, 0.10
Havent been working with the LSD yet so it is still 10 40 20
Brake Balance 5, 7
Torque Differential 30 front 70 rear
Transmission
1. 3998
2. 2870
3. 2354
4. 1945
5. 1616
6. 1359
Final gear 2780
Cbastjan

Great, Thank you for post it!! Gold Second Try!!! 👍

 

[jedikeeper]

I used Ferrari 458 Italia for the Monza 550pp time trial, the car originally had a wing installed, but the on the high speed track like Monza, it didn't help much. So I removed it, and did several laps, no ABS, no other aids, with stick controller, manual

Car Sold.
I have a wheel and I don't have the time to find out where's the LAST tree shadow on the straight

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Car Sold.
I have a wheel and I don't have the time to find out where's the LAST tree shadow on the straight

The last tree shadow on the straight? Don't know anything about that, but I did see the gunman on the grassy knoll, lol.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Car Sold.
I have a wheel and I don't have the time to find out where's the LAST tree shadow on the straight

Have you checked my pictures ?

Variante del Rettifilo : Brake just before 200m sign ( 1st chicane after main straight )

Variante della Roggia : Brake just after the 200m sign and right before the bridge ( 2nd chicane after the long right curve )

Curve di Lesmo 1st right : Brake right on the last tree shadow on the straight ( right after the 2nd chicane, right when you are about to turn right, there's a tree shadow on the track surface )

If you drive on the track you would know by comparing my pictures

 

[rambo793]

Just a question regarding some of the tunes here. I see people often increase the front ride height and lower the rear. Why so?
Doesnt increasing the Ride Height increase understeer? Always have had this confusion.

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

I got it from the marketplace so I have no idea.

No service history?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Just a question regarding some of the tunes here. I see people often increase the front ride height and lower the rear. Why so?
Doesnt increasing the Ride Height increase understeer? Always have had this confusion.

That is a taboo subject here on these forums. There are many threads on this subject, here is one.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=231359&highlight=ride+height+bug

If you want more information, search "ride height bug". Ironically, this may get fixed with the upcoming update. I don't like to force peoples opinion on this issue as everyone has their own beliefs/speculations, so just read the above link and go from there. Peace.